tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20954432.post4226209644368805425..comments2023-11-25T07:12:37.875-05:00Comments on Hating Autism: Neurodiversity Attacks the Geiers (Again and Again and Again)John Besthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03133970669787632440noreply@blogger.comBlogger204125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20954432.post-36869081928110571372009-05-21T03:48:39.185-04:002009-05-21T03:48:39.185-04:00Why is it that autism is the only disorder people ...Why is it that autism is the only disorder people actually celebrate and want to keep?<br /><br />Sure autism tends to correlate with certain gifts. Big deal. I have Tourettes and it tends to correlate with a higher IQ and better athletic ability(I only got the first part though). And even though its very mild now and I dont have the swearing kind if I was offered a risk-free, reasonably cheep cure I'd take it.<br /><br />Tons of disorders correlate with gifts. I have a friend who has schizophrenia. Schizophrenics tend to be more creative and he is, but would he refuse a cure? Of course not. He's not as insane as he was, now mostly he hears disembodied voices but knows they're not real even though they sound real. He'd love for those tormenting voices to get out of his head. But on top of that even though he recognizes its a disability he will not apply for SSI, because he's held down many jobs without a problem and his disability hasn't been a problem for years. He could probably get it but he believes that if you are able to work you shouldn't apply for SSI. If he doesn't need SSI then autistic people who claim to not even be disabled definitely shouldn't be applying for it. Shame on you. And given the gifts that many autistic people have the trend of autistics to go on SSI might cost us our next Einstein.<br /><br />I'm taking statistics and one thing they teach you is "Correlation does not imply causation." Just because certain conditions correlate with gifts doesn't mean the condition caused the gifts. <br /><br />Regardless, cures aren't designed to cure gifts they're designed to cure problems. And I don't see how logically a cure would get rid of any gifts even if the autism did somehow cause them. A cure wouldn't suddenly change the person's whole mind and give them complete knowledge of social skills. Your experience of having lived with autism before would stay with you along with anything you picked up on as a result of that experience. And you wouldn't suddenly have social knowledge, you'd just have a normal capacity to learn it. Learning social skills would be a gradual process.<br /><br />Not that people should be forced to be cured. Any medical treatment without the consent of the patient is assault. If you want to keep your disease go right ahead but don't expect to keep collecting SSI once a simple cure is available and you refuse it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20954432.post-25493133636139345922007-05-29T23:33:00.000-04:002007-05-29T23:33:00.000-04:00Censored Anon: Feel free to say what you were goin...Censored Anon: Feel free to say what you were going to say over at my blog, Blog of many trades. I have a blogpost there for Anon commenters.<BR/><BR/>Proof? Answers? I'd like to judge for myself. Of course, being ND doesn't exactly help your case.Joekerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06226283021920155932noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20954432.post-24176376161213953732007-05-19T21:56:00.000-04:002007-05-19T21:56:00.000-04:00Foreskin followers.I have been censored *gasp* *su...Foreskin followers.<BR/>I have been censored *gasp* *surprise*.<BR/><BR/>Just a warning, don't try to disagree with Mr. Best, and certainly don't provide proof or answers to his <I>and</I> others questions, he's not interested in being proven wrong.<BR/><BR/>Go ahead coward, censor me again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20954432.post-90094145914701467632007-05-19T21:01:00.000-04:002007-05-19T21:01:00.000-04:00Anonymous, You've been here before using your pot...Anonymous, You've been here before using your pot calling kettle black idiocy.Go back to neuroinsanity and keep your BS out of here.John Besthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03133970669787632440noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20954432.post-82510600074192274812007-05-18T19:31:00.000-04:002007-05-18T19:31:00.000-04:00However, I'd like to speak with her on my blog. Th...However, I'd like to speak with her on my blog. The last time I tried to ask, I was blocked from posting by Fore, for some inane reason. I'd rather speak in an un-moderated enviroment.<BR/><BR/>I'm curious, Anon Mom. I'd like to hear more.Joekerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06226283021920155932noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20954432.post-56228312110286605102007-05-18T09:31:00.000-04:002007-05-18T09:31:00.000-04:00Anon, perhaps your child is not as severely affect...Anon, perhaps your child is not as severely affected as John's son. You know, there is a reason it is called a spectrum. You are like someone whose child is missing a finger telling a parent whose child was born with no arms and legs what a good parent you are because your child can walk and use his hands. Well goody good for you. Maybe your child doesn't need much else or maybe your child would benefit from a few natural supplements that would enhance function. <BR/><BR/>My kid is also doing all the things you brag about your kid doing, but at age 6. She doesn't need any aides or therapies of any kind. I must be doing something right. I'm so smart. Oh yea, I was talking about my NT kid. See how that works. Comparing abilities of one kid to another means nothing about ones parenting.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20954432.post-59551766882038292402007-05-18T07:51:00.000-04:002007-05-18T07:51:00.000-04:00maxima said... Watson there is some truth behind t...maxima said... <BR/><I>Watson there is some truth behind these studies, I hope they´re investegated further. They´re saying that the triple vaccination is what´s causing these intestinal disorders which has lead to autism for some kids. When a child gets one vaccination at a time this is not known to happen; according to the study.</I><BR/><BR/>Maxima, mercury can also damage the gut. It's my belief that autism is caused by a domino effect. Some children I know didn't get as far as receiving the MMR , the DPT, or DT was enough, and for others, the one that pushed them over the edge was the single measles vaccine, not the triple.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20954432.post-62697568889216656642007-05-18T04:48:00.000-04:002007-05-18T04:48:00.000-04:00Anon, How bad was your son? What he can do has n...Anon, How bad was your son? What he can do has nothing to do with kids who've been cured who you deny exist. What do you use to help your kid? I'm sure you know where to see those videos you ask for, stop calling parents liars.John Besthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03133970669787632440noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20954432.post-80112846364364623992007-05-17T21:32:00.000-04:002007-05-17T21:32:00.000-04:00If nothing can cure autism, why do you bother doin...<I>If nothing can cure autism, why do you bother doing anything to help your son? </I><BR/>Is this a serious question????<BR/><BR/><I>If you know better, that means you are an ignorant person who has not learned of the children who have already been cured. </I><BR/>My son is as old as yours. How are their abilities similar? Does your son talk, go to mainstreamed classes, dress himself, etc? Are you knocking what shows as actual proof? <BR/><BR/>Show where to view before/after videos of the cured children. (honestly) I'm truly interested. I don't knock anyone for doing what works for them. Just so happens, no meds/no chelation works for us. Yet you refuse to accept that, and insist that your way is the only way Foresam. NOT true. Your way is NOT the only way. <BR/><BR/><I>You're wrong, so shut up.</I><BR/>Like I said, you crack me up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20954432.post-6890109826500459482007-05-17T20:54:00.000-04:002007-05-17T20:54:00.000-04:00Anon, If nothing can cure autism, why do you both...Anon, If nothing can cure autism, why do you bother doing anything to help your son? If you know better, that means you are an ignorant person who has not learned of the children who have already been cured. You're wrong, so shut up.John Besthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03133970669787632440noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20954432.post-37879611153583440762007-05-17T20:45:00.000-04:002007-05-17T20:45:00.000-04:00You all crack me up.If I'm doing such a poor job, ...You all crack me up.<BR/>If I'm doing such a poor job, I wonder why my son can speak, have conversations, goes to regular school, etc.<BR/><BR/>I've come a long way in helping my son, and it doesn't involve drugs like Foresam has to use (yet claims is the cause). You all want to keep imaging there's a cure, go ahead, there's nothing wrong with hope. I on the other hand, know better, and so I do what any decent parent would do - continue what I'm doing, because it works.<BR/><BR/>You all crack me up, seriously.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20954432.post-78795827521181015052007-05-17T20:04:00.000-04:002007-05-17T20:04:00.000-04:00Maxima,Anonymous mom has some serious anger issues...Maxima,<BR/><BR/>Anonymous mom has some serious anger issues. I think they stem from her guilt and insecurity about not pursuing a cure for her child. Usually people who suffer from guilt will lash out in a manner more extreme than the situation warrants. The only person she is really attacking is herself. Unfortunately, many people will not self examine if the answer they come up with is that they are fundamentally in the wrong. Instead they will try to force the whole world to change to their point of view and tell them they are right. I pity anonymous mom. I don't think she will die with a black heart, but one day her heart might break from what she should have done for her child. I think the full reality will come to the forefront when she is too old to care for her child and s/he becomes a ward of the state. It is always the sane position to be on the side of giving children the opportunity to reach their maximum potential. Parenting is about wanting your kids to grow into independant adults, not be perpetual children.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20954432.post-60509412567426400092007-05-17T15:38:00.000-04:002007-05-17T15:38:00.000-04:00Where have I stated that I know what it is like to...Where have I stated that I know what it is like to have a child with autism???? Please point me to it because I never claimed to know what it's like.<BR/><BR/>Get a life you anonymous poster, calling me a bigot because I hope there is a cure for autism??? <BR/><BR/>I never stated anywhere that autism didn't exist before 1931; so get your facts straight. I've said this before and will say it again; I might not agree with everything Foresam says on here but I respect him for standing up to a controversial issue regarding the vaccination issue.<BR/><BR/>Now go back to the hole you came from.........Cat Ladyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01507641279346781198noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20954432.post-84905979414704623982007-05-17T15:14:00.000-04:002007-05-17T15:14:00.000-04:00Maxima...is that your real name?You 'scold' your f...<I>Maxima...is that your real name?<BR/>You 'scold' your friend for arguing with those that provide him proof that his theories of "no autism before 1931" are dead wrong -- are you out of your mind? All this man does is argue and call people names, berate and disrespect and bully the disabled.</I><BR/><BR/>Congrats on joining the bigot club Maxima.<BR/><BR/>Again, don't presume to know what it's like to have a child with Autism. You know <B>nothing</B> of which you speak.<BR/><BR/><I>Anonymous mom = crack smoking, hardly educated attention whore.</I><BR/>All grown up now are you? <BR/>What are you, 12?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20954432.post-34141813078847354102007-05-17T06:20:00.000-04:002007-05-17T06:20:00.000-04:00Anon said:"Go ahead Maxima, keep up your support f...Anon said:"<BR/>Go ahead Maxima, keep up your support for the bigot - keep being the fine woman you are.<BR/><BR/>I'll just keep raising a fine, smart, wonderful and caring child.<BR/>We'll just see who dies in the end with a black heart."<BR/><BR/>Anonymous, are you smoking crack? I'll get a black heart because I don't agree with you and feel a need to express my opinions on a blog on the internet? I reccomend that you take some logic classes and you'll come to the same conclusion as I do when I read your comments. <BR/>Anonymous mom = crack smoking, hardly educated attention whore. <BR/><BR/>Go practice your flamming abilities if that is what your rants towards me were supposed to be.....Cat Ladyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01507641279346781198noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20954432.post-83165165974855316502007-05-16T00:51:00.000-04:002007-05-16T00:51:00.000-04:00I guess it's all about perspective Fore Sam. My s...I guess it's all about perspective Fore Sam. My son has another condition that makes me wish he ONLY had Autism. Maybe if you look hard, you'll see there's more to them than the struggle you perceive. <BR/><BR/>The days mine is only Autistic are far better than other days.<BR/><BR/>And by the way, I really have no idea what people you're talking about when you say ND. I am merely a parent, trying to make his life better, less stressful and teach his the way I know he is capable. Autism does not equal stupid, I'm certainly not lowering my standards because of it.<BR/><BR/>The only thing is - I don't do what you do - but I guarantee you, I've made great progress. Doesn't make me wrong. Or anyone else that doesn't agree with you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20954432.post-17653884277102866352007-05-15T21:38:00.000-04:002007-05-15T21:38:00.000-04:00Anon, As is typical of ND nitwits, you missed the...Anon, As is typical of ND nitwits, you missed the point. Yes, I called my son a screaming trainwreck. That's what he was. That's why I helped him so he is no longer a train wreck. That's called honesty, jackass. That's the truth about autism.<BR/> Autism is never something to be celebrated like your lying scumbags at Neurodiversity like to portray it. It is a fucking nightmare for everyone involved with it. Alleged autistics who engage in this deception are much less valuable than monkeys.<BR/> The way you take things out of context, I'd swear it was Kevin Leitch making the comment. But, he's probably too busy looking for bananas to train his daughter with.John Besthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03133970669787632440noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20954432.post-21370422217205279272007-05-15T21:18:00.000-04:002007-05-15T21:18:00.000-04:00Just read the blog.here's one - referring to Autis...Just read the blog.<BR/><BR/>here's one - referring to Autists:<BR/><I>Monkeys should keep their mouths shut until they gain intelligence comparable to humans </I><BR/><BR/>Yet I wonder - does he include his son in this group?<BR/><BR/>Dig deep (if you want to) this man has been spouting hatred of those with Autism for nearly two years here.<BR/><BR/>This one IS about his son (note: before chelation apparently)<BR/><BR/><I>a screaming "train wreck" of a kid </I><BR/><BR/>.and.<BR/><BR/><I>If you had an animal like this, you wouldn't think twice about putting it out of its' misery.</I>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20954432.post-64812738594735408902007-05-15T20:30:00.000-04:002007-05-15T20:30:00.000-04:00Anon,Give me one quoted comment where an autistic ...Anon,<BR/><BR/>Give me one quoted comment where an autistic child was called a monster or inhuman. Really, since you must have read the comment and not me, I would like to know.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20954432.post-10803478452148153922007-05-15T19:24:00.000-04:002007-05-15T19:24:00.000-04:00Googlybear said...Anon, (the angry one)Not calling...<I>Googlybear said...<BR/>Anon, (the angry one)<BR/>Not calling disabled children "monsters" or "inhuman" - again, makes me a damn good parent.<BR/><BR/>Who is calling autistic children monsters and inhuman? </I><BR/><BR/>Googly, actually read the posts on the blog you're commenting on.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20954432.post-88551060538147287692007-05-15T00:02:00.000-04:002007-05-15T00:02:00.000-04:00John,You are not getting the big payoff you hoped ...John,<BR/><BR/>You are not getting the big payoff you hoped for, so you can stop your stupid blog and go back to the business of alternately ignoring and abusing your kids.<BR/><BR/>I'd call you disgusting, but that's an insult to disgusting people.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20954432.post-17754396815595796962007-05-14T05:03:00.000-04:002007-05-14T05:03:00.000-04:00As for dr thomas goode md, who likes to use lower ...<I>As for dr thomas goode md, who likes to use lower case letters</I><BR/><BR/>Small point, Fox. When names are shown on the Leave Your Comment page they are always in lower case. Not all of us are computer literate like you my friend.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20954432.post-25585791831857036852007-05-13T21:08:00.000-04:002007-05-13T21:08:00.000-04:00Googly: It's not the sanity. I find both sides to ...Googly: It's not the sanity. I find both sides to be more than simply insane, including this one.<BR/><BR/>You're coming back for an opposition to the blogs you just read, on the other side. It's not the fact that this blog is somehow in your eyes sane, but the fact that he hates the insane others whom you strongly disagree with.<BR/><BR/>I find myself shocked that you feel this way about this blog, and hoped you'd find respect for groups whom don't spend their time insulting people, and of course, censoring anything that he feels is an effective counter to his arguments. That, or he'll use the excuse that he's bored of my "ramblings."<BR/><BR/>Open-ish, but mainly to Fore: Of course, I'm a little on the untrusting side, and so I began saving my comments before posting them, just waiting for when he censored me, so as that I can examine just how close to a nerve I hit. I think if you examine my blog, should Fore not censor this comment as well, that I've taken him to task on a vile statement, and he couldn't bear to lose all the respect he's garnering from his blog.<BR/><BR/>Oh, and he's reading this, and judging if it's fit to put up. Something I don't do. Call me crazy, but for someone as cautious as I, I'm sure not guarding my blog too well.<BR/><BR/>Well, ciao for now, and here's hoping Fore doesn't wipe this message!<BR/><BR/>~JoekerJoekerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06226283021920155932noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20954432.post-23571048938036544712007-05-13T20:47:00.000-04:002007-05-13T20:47:00.000-04:00Anon, (the angry one)Not calling disabled children...Anon, (the angry one)<BR/><BR/><I>Not calling disabled children "monsters" or "inhuman" - again, makes me a damn good parent.</I><BR/><BR/>Who is calling autistic children monsters and inhuman? You are starting to freak out and babble.<BR/><BR/>There are other things you can do besides chelation.<BR/><BR/>I do read opinions that do not match my own. How do you think I got that belly full of neurodiversity? I was reading their blogs. <BR/><BR/>Want to hear something hypocritical. While bellowing about the dangers of biomed, much of which tries to use natural supplements to get to the root of issues. Autism Vox, mom to autistic son Charlie, has her son on some psych meds. Yep, that's what I found out while reading an opinion other than my own yesterday. Somehow while claiming out of one side of her mouth that autism is not something to cure, she is desperate enough to resort to psych meds to control the behaviors she doesn't think should be cured but are obviously too disabling and disruptive. Do you seriously think that psych meds and antidepressants have no or few side effects? Some of those side effects can be quite serious. Much more serious than those found with MB12 shots or chelation. Hypocricy much? It's shit like that that keeps me coming back to sane blogs like this one and sane biomed support groups.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20954432.post-83645099096578586482007-05-13T17:53:00.000-04:002007-05-13T17:53:00.000-04:00OGF,I got my much needed laugh of the day. You lot...OGF,<BR/>I got my much needed laugh of the day. You lot are a hoot. <BR/><BR/>You make an excellent point too. Anything can become a syndrome and anyone can demand special treatment for it. As I have said before, if you don't want it cured then don't ask for special priviledges because of it.<BR/><BR/><BR/>As for dr thomas goode md, who likes to use lower case letters like k.d.lang and e.e cummings,<BR/>this is dr.fox2012 md who believes that a combination of genetics and vaccines or in some cases, just the vaccines, (otherwise known as (Poison and Garbage) that is with capital letters) is what causes autism spectrum disorders.<BR/><BR/>Vaccines? I'd rather drink gasoline fresh from the pump because it would be safer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com