Autism Speaks Run by Trolls

Here, the Autism Speaks message board manager moderates the trolls.


The Autism Speaks message board is a place where you would think you could discuss information related to autism and find some answers as to how to help autistic children. While this is sometimes possible, the norm is that any good advice that is given to parents seeking information quickly degenerates into argument.

This is because Autism Speaks is infested with vermin from the Neurodiversity movement. Let's look at who some of the wackos are who try to harm children with ridiculous propaganda.

One notable wacko is Margaret Toigo, an ex stripper who tries to present her deranged opinions as though they were facts. This ugly slug (she couldn't have done very well as a stripper) just keeps writing that vaccines do not cause autism and rants on and on calling any doctor who helps an autistic child a quack. I don't think most people are stupid enough to listen to this brain dead nitwit but her tactics do disrupt intelligent discussion and get in the way of parents new to the horrific world of autism from learning the facts.

Another simpleton from the Neurodiversity Cult is a woman who calls herself Momof26 children (or something like that). Her real name is Jeannette McDonald and she claims to have 5 autistic children. This woman is so intellectually challenged that she refused assistance from Dr Wakefield, the man who discovered that the MMR vaccine causes autism. She also managed to wheedle herself a new house for free from that stupid TV show that goes around building houses for people who have problems. I don't watch the show but it might be interesting to see if it is sponsored by any drug companies. Perhaps that sponsorship played a role in addling this woman's brain so that she now claims all autistic kids need is love and they'll be fine. From the looks of her kids, it seems that only one of them has autism. The others don't appear to be that bad off.

Auntie Em is the pseudonym used by another nasty wack job who slithers around the Autism Speaks boards. I'm not sure but I think this moron used to blog under the name Soapbox Mom. This nut has never had anything useful to say but she is adept at starting arguments to distract people from the business of helping autistic children.

Then we have Autism Diva, AKA Camille Clark. This infamous lunatic is an expert at taking quotes out of context and trying to use them against the sane people who uttered them. She's also good at character assassination which she is happy to do for anyone she can dig up a little dirt on who helps autistic children. She's one of the psychopaths who try to claim that all chelation is dangerous just because one doctor committed malpractice by giving a child the wrong chelator. The fact of the matter is that chelation has been the standard treatment for mercury poisoning for over 60 years. Yet, this fat, old lady just keeps rambling on, ad infinitum that chelation is quackery and it's all a scam to line the doctors' pockets. The truth of that matter is that a lot of the parents who are curing their autistic children are learning how to cure them from Dr Andy Cutler and the Autism Mercury Group for free.

Next in our list of Neuronitwits is a woman named Liz who uses the moniker Roo2. She's married to a guy who's some sort of scientist so she must have him help her with using scientific terms to distract people from the truth about Vaccines. She has nothing at all to say that is useful to anyone who is trying to help a kid with autism but she's a real pain in the ass when decent people are trying to elaborate on the facts of how to help these children.

Matt is a guy who is too stupid to converse anywhere near intelligently on autism so, he hops around the message board using argument ad hominem to try to discredit decent parents. He also butts into discussions and asks stupid questions to try to derail the topics. A minor pain to sane people but contributes enough disruption to earn a gold star from Neurodiversity for his efforts.

Li'l Bo Peep is a woman from Long Island who looks something like the wicked witch of the west. She persists in stating that Autism Speaks should be a place where differing opinions can be exchanged, as though opinions from wackos who oppose curing autism have any value. She seems harmless on the surface but her contribution of stupid opinions helps add to the total effect of this collection of liars spreading their propaganda.


Next we have some sad cases. These are the people who claim to be on the Autism Spectrum and make the absurd asserion that they do not want to be cured.

Beau seems to be a nice kid who has been perverted by the Cult of Neurodiversity. He isn't very bright which is obvious by his falling in with this strange cult but he serves their purpose well with his "I don't want to be cured" nonsense. He probably believes he is doing a good thing by participating in this assault on decent parents and I tend not to blame him for his disruption. However, it should be noted that whatever he says should not be taken seriously by anyone.

There is also a person known as Zarathustra who appears to be a 40ish lesbian from England, although I can't state that as fact. Most of these people try to hide their identities. She oozed across to Autism Speaks from the extrenely wacky Wrong Planet discussion group. That's where people who claim to have Asperger's make excuses for all of the bonehead things they've done in their pathetic lives. And these losers don't need to be cured, yuh right. Anyhow, Zarathustra flits around AS and interjects inanities here and there as a few more bits of distraction, anything to prevent parents from helping autistic kids.

Some guy who calls himself Darwin also haunts AS when he's not locked up for abusing drugs. He and his wife are a couple of oddballs who, I think, claim to have Asperger's. They're pretty good at derailing threads and adding stupid pictures in that they think are comical. Neither one of them makes any sense but, again, they contribute to the overall assault on decent parents learning the truth about how vaccines cause autism.

That's enough for now. I know I missed some of the nitwits who spread their propaganda at Autism Speaks. It would be nice if one of the founders of Autism Speaks recognized what these lowlifes are doing on their forum and banned them all. First though, AS needs to ferret out the neurodiverse moderators who allow these liars to spread their drivel.

Let me know which nitwits I missed and I'll add descriptions of them in later.

Autism Sucks, Not Autism Speaks

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Autism Speaks Bans the Truth about Autism

I was just banned from the Autism Speaks message boards for life. That's the second time these geniuses banned me for life for going on their message board and telling the truth about how autism is caused and how to cure it. They even went to the trouble of going through all of the comments I put there and deleting the link to this blog. That says a lot about the dishonesty of Autism Speaks.

I wrote to their office last week and asked them to consider the research Tim Bolen had done to expose the organization known as Quackbusters. Austism Speaks never wrote back. The fact that they left my comments alone but deleted the reference to my blog just confirms that Autism Speaks has also been infiltrated by Neurodiversity and Quackbusters. Neurodiversity has gone to great pains to keep my blog from being referenced in Wikipedia and now they have deleted the reference to it from Autism Speaks.

It is obvious that this action must have been taken by a neurodiverse nitwit who snuck into Autism Speaks and found a job as a moderator. If this was a genuine person taking this action, they would certainly delete references to idiotic blogs like Autism Diva's and a bunch of others associated with Neurodiversity. No, this had to have been some friend of Amanda Baggs, Neurodiversity's fraudulent spokesmodel.

Neuronitwits have taken great pains to keep this blog from being seen. They complained to blogger about it along with the Autism Fraud blog that is completely dedicated to Amanda Baggs' fraud and had a code put on both of them so that search engines could not find them. I contacted Blogger and explained about Neurodiversity's insanity and they removed the code.

It is nice to see that Neuroinsanity is so terrified of what I have to say that go to these extremes to try to keep what I have to say from being seen. However, sanity will always prevail over psychopaths who intentionally harm disabled children. Now we can add Autism Speaks to that group of psychopaths since this action confirms that they are allies with Neuroinsanity and Quackbusters in preventing autistic children from being cured.

More Proof of Dishonesty from Wikipedia

I was told yesterday by some disingenuous editors at Wikipedia that blogs were an unacceptable resource for their childish encyclopedia.

Upon looking back at some of this dishonest discussion, I noticed they had some concerns about a page they have about Dr Mark Geier.

On Wikipedia's page about Dr Geier, there are links that take you to controversies, to Neurodiversity, to the Neurodiversity Movement (where they have a course description of to become a neuroinsane simpleton). There, Wikipedia has links to blogs. They link to Kathleen Seidel's completely dishonest and disingenuous rantings where she bashes people who help autistic children. Wikipedia also links to about 50 blogs run by complete and total morons associated with the Autism Hub.

So, Wikipedia has allowed links to a mass of crazed, lying bloggers who bash esteemed scientists like Dr Geier, who is curing autistic children. Yet they refuse to allow a link to a blog that takes great pains to point out the fraud of a phoney autistic woman named Amanda Baggs who is spreading false information about autism.

This bit of deceit by Wikipedia is really all we need to know to conclude that Wikipedia is not a respectable source for anything. It is manasged by liars and they help to promote an agenda that harms autistic children.

Amanda Baggs Sings, But She Can't Talk (my ass)

Because You Are Not One Of Us


Posted Jan 23, 07 by silentmiaow (Amanda Baggs pseudonym)
I actually meant by it, the same thing you mean when you talk about false admiration in
some of your videos. Not people who genuinely are interested in me as a person, but the
sort of thing where people are just going "Wow how amazing you are." I
more...do have a bit of a sarcastic way of presenting it in this song (which is my own
voice, not a computer one), but bitterness isn't generally one of my problems. less
Processing....

As we see from the comments, this is Amanda Baggs singing this stupid song. Is there anyone who believes Amanda can sing like this but is unable to talk? If so, please bring me all of your cash, I'll store it in my magic golf bag and, in 50 years you can come back and it will have turned into 50 million dollars worth of gold.

UPDATE: 9:09 PM EDT

Hating Autism Blacklisted by Wikipedia or How to Torture Children

This blog entry involves the fact that Amanda Baggs is a fraud and Wikipedia will not allow that fact to be presented on their encyclopedia. They are blocking every effort to present the facts of this fraud. In effect, Wikipedia is now a party to the fraud. Wikipedia is abusing autistic children by allowing Amanda Baggs to lie to the world with her misinformation about autism.

Below is an exchange on the Administrators' Noticeboard at Wikipedia. Not only does Wikipedia delete comments that are critical of frauds like Amanda Baggs. Now we see that they slink behind your back and, without allowing you any say in the matter, decide to "blacklist" the truth about the frauds they promote in their third rate encyclopedia.

Mention is made to my being blocked for what they call "linkspamming" last August when I added my blog as a reference to counter some of the insanity by the cult of lunatics who try to prevent people from curing autism. In this discussion, they don't mention the fact that it was a neurodiverse nitwit known as Elmindreda who originally deleted my links to counter this insanity. So we can see clearly that Wikipedia allows themselves to be managed by mentally challenged individuals who are in favor of torturing children by preventing them from being cured. Thank you, Wikipedia, for showing the world that you are a corrupt bunch of child abusers. Allowing Amanda Baggs to lie to the world about autism on your encyclopedia, unopposed by sanity, makes you a party to child abuse.

UPDATE:[edit] February 2008
Since you were previously blocked for linkspamming that blog, I assume you know not to do it again.[1] SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:55, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Adding the truth to a fraudulent article is far from link spamming. You are abusing autistic children by allowing this article to exist without opposition. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bettwice33 (talk • contribs) 10 March 2008.

This is your last warning.
The next time you vandalize a page, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia.

Your edits fail WP:NPOV and it would seem clear that you are unable to do so due to being too close to the issue. As you have been previously warned and blocked this amounts to vandalism. GetDumb 01:27, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

This is the comment they deleted that they try to write off as vandalism
The standard for diagnosing autism is that it is diagnosed by age 3. Amanda was diagnosed with PDD/NOS at age 20. Her lengthy diatribe aside, how did every doctor she saw as a child miss all of the hand flapping, eye contact avoidance, inability to toilet herself properly and other behaviors consistent with autism? That behavior in a child can not possibly be missed by anyone and that is the autism standard that Baggs is trying to sidestep here. When does common sense come into play for Wikipedia? ---- —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bettwice33 (talk • contribs) 18:21, March 11, 2008 UTC



Call someone else a bastard, disingenuous or perverted and I will block you. Simple. If you cannot maintain any degree of civility on Wikipedia, you can go elsewhere. I don't give a damn about whether you think Amanda Baggs is a fraud; don't do it again. Last warning. —Dark (talk) 06:30, 11 March 2008 (UTC
Here we can clearly see that the editors at Wikipedia, in their own words, don't give a damn about whether Amanda Baggs is a fraud.
Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents

SECOND UPDATE:[edit] User:Bettwice33
Dark Falls, I note that you were the admin who blocked this account for 31 hours in August 2007. The user has not learned a thing and I have slapped a test4 template on his page.

As a background, this person has a long history of psychotic behaviour off Wiki, demonstrated on the blog he persists in trying to link. He has a son with Autism and is convinced beyond reason that Autism is caused by vaccines. He is also convinced that Amanda Baggs is a fraud - due to the lies of a couple of other people.

COULD THIS GARBAGE HAVE BEEN WRITTEN BY ANYONE OTHER THAN A PSYCHOPATHIC NITWIT FROM THE CULT OF NEURODIVERSITY? JUST MORE EVIDENCE THAT WIKIPEDIA IS PART OF THE QUACKBUSTER SCAM.

I realise that off Wiki behaviour is not really relevant to the blocking and banning policies of Wikipedia, but I'm just pointing out that this person may be extremely dangerous and needs to be dealt with in the strongest possible terms. If you are interested - he has just placed a posting on his blog taking Wikipedia to pieces.

FYI and action, maybe through some senior admins who are familiar with the area concerned?

Oh - and it may be an idea to do a check user on User:Appto to see if the two are the same person, given the similarlities in argument. GetDumb 01:36, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Bettwice's answer doesn't even answer the actual question, considering he was asked about a specific person and has answered with a strawman statement about curing autistic children, something that is not possible. Given this particular person's online history, I sincerely doubt there will be anything constructive from this account. Natalie (talk) 12:08, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Bettwice33"

We can see that Natalie is a 24 year old history major who is ignorant enough to state that autism can not be cured.

Let the edit warring begin [66] *sigh* Tiptoety talk 00:00, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Amanda Baggs
I need help at Amanda Baggs; I'm not an admin it's moving faster than I can keep up with. It appears that an off-Wiki blog dispute has spilled over to Wiki, there are COI issues, and I'm removing personal attacks, attempted outings of Wiki editors,[67] and BLP violations from the talk page at a rate I can't keep up with.[68][69] I'll come back and add some diffs in a minute. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:24, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

More, this editor was previously blocked for linkspamming this blog.[70] SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:54, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
More, the COI spills over into the Mark Geier, Seidel controversy; Dave Seidel is apparently an involved, COI editor. I'm unwatching. URL REMOVED SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:01, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Given Baggs editors aren't autoconfirmed, I've semi'd that for a week. Moving to look at Geier. MBisanz talk 21:09, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
No recent activity at Geier, so no admin actions taken. MBisanz talk 21:11, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
I don't know how to direct you to all the pieces, Mbisanz. I became aware months ago of the issues at Mark Geier, and when I waded into Amanda Baggs, I didn't realize there was a connection. Apparently, according to that blog, there is. Ugh. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:13, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
It gets better: apparently (according to someone posting on the talk page there) there's also a link to the Wiki chiropractic mess.[71] SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:17, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

It may be most parsimonious to note that these articles (Geier, chiropractic, etc) have significant problems with off-wiki recruiting and importation of outside disputes, and to take a fairly stern line with editors who fit this profile. MastCell Talk 22:25, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Would it make sense to blacklist the blog links people are trying to add? There's basically no way they're going to be allowed, nor will they be particularly appropriate anywhere else, so the blacklist seems like a neat solution. Natalie (talk) 23:30, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Sounds reasonable. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:48, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Okay, since no one has objected, I'm going to add the blogs to the spam blacklist. They can always be de-blacklisted if a good reason for including them surfaces. I will also remove those links from the talk page so there is no confusion. Natalie (talk) 01:40, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, I have no idea how the blacklist works, but endorse adding things such as this. MBisanz talk 01:45, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Well, I apparently failed, so I've asked an administrator who knows how to help with this. Sigh. Natalie (talk) 01:56, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Hu12 has added these to the spam blacklist. Natalie (talk) 16:59, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
I removed the resolved tag; Natalie Erin has made a lot of progress at Amanda Baggs, but the situation continues at Donna Williams (author) and doesn't show any signs of letting up. BLP, COI, NPA, Civil, AGF; you name it. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:10, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia Supports Amanda Baggs' Fraud

This is just one example of the unprofessional nature of Wikipedia. Note how the editor here references blogs and forums as hearsay and not acceptable when one wants to expose the fraud of Amanda Baggs and Neurodiversity. At the same time, these jackasses defend Amanda Baggs' right to have her fraudulent blog posted as though it was a respectable reference. Nonsense.

Wikipedia consistently allows Neurodiverse nitwits to say anything they want on their inane excuse for an encyclopedia. They also consistently delete everything that points out the deranged nature of Neurodiversity and fraudulent autistic people like Amanda Baggs.

Wikipedia is not an encyclopedia. It is just a propaganda factory for frauds.

The following is an exchange that took place on Wikipedia where some people, including myself, were trying to illuminate the fact that Amnanda Baggs is a fraud impersonating an autistic person. Dave Seidel was involved, deleting comments from sane people and writing untrue things that an editor deleted.

Upon being given a link to Tim Bolen's report that describes how neurodiversity and Quackbusters manipulate Wikipedia, the editor deleted the whole exchange. I saved it below before they could delete it. Here's the link to the Wikipedia page about Amanda Baggs after their editor deleted the truth.


I just removed a passage that I believe violates WP:BLP guidelines. It lacks NPOV and fails to provide any reference to the so-called "controversy". - DaveSeidel 16:59, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

THIS IS RICH, A HORSE'S ASS LIKE DAVE SEIDEL CLAIMING ANYTHING TO DO WITH AMANDA BAGGS LACKS A NPOV (NEUTRAL POINT OF VIEW)

The article cites American Chronicle article references her "harsh critics" who dispute that she is a low functioning autistic. Her background to the contrary has been discussed in several autism community forums and blogs as well as a recent mention at randi.org. It is my understanding that forums and blogs are not good references, but perhaps they would fit here better than the American Chronicle article? How many forums/blogs would I need to include to have this accepted as a controversy?
Also, please point out the NPOV language so that I can remove it.
Thanks.
75.13.45.198 17:12, 12 November 2007 (UTC)oddmountain
As a rule, blogs and forums are not acceptable per WP:RS, so your question of "how many I would need to include" is irrevelant. Wikipedia is not about hearsay or unfounded opinion. If you wish to discuss a "controversy", especially one in reference to a living person, only a reliable source is acceptable. I don't see any problem with referencing the American Chronicle article in and of itself, but this entry is entirely one-sided in a negative sense, and thus NPOV, since no balancing views or references are provided. There is also no reference to any source for the Simon's Rock information, nor to the fact that she left after one year and was institutionalized after she left there. -- DaveSeidel 17:56, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

In fact, controversy may indeed exist, but because of WP:BLP in general, and the personal nature of the issues in specific (which revolve around medical and psychological diagnoses), the bar must remain high, and WP:RS is a must. - DaveSeidel 03:14, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
For HiEv and others: I agree that appropriately verified material should be included when summarized properly and adequately weighted. However, I'm not sure that AmericanChronicle.com meets WP:SOURCES. Is it a "reliable, third-party published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy", or is it (as this article suggests) more of a republisher of material, e.g from blogs?
Regarding the Donna Williams interview reprinted at American Chronicle, I noticed that the original piece (from Ms Williams' blog) had been previously cited in the article, but deleted as non-reliable. That makes sense in WP terms, since per WP:SOURCES "Self-published sources should never be used as third-party sources about living persons, even if the author is a well-known professional researcher or writer."
If Ms Baggs posts the interview on her own site, then we can use it (in this article, involving claims only about Ms Baggs herself and no one else). Otherwise, it appears that we can't, unless we can agree that AmericanChronicle.com is a reliable source, i.e., that it has the resources to vet the accuracy (and not merely to boost the google ranking) of material it republishes. regards, Jim Butler(talk) 03:22, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Thank, Jim, excellent points. According to the American Chronicle's Author Agreement, they rely entirely on the author's word that "[t]he Content is based on true facts and diligent research"; nothing there (or in any other part of the site that I've been able to find) about any editorial oversight or fact-checking whatsoever. IOW, they don't even claim to be a reliable source -- how can we treat them as one? - DaveSeidel 04:10, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Yup, then "American Chronicle" is out as a reliable source. I also note that Tim Langmaid, a managing editor at CNN Medical News, commented on the questions about her diagosis and mentioned in general some of the resources they checked to verify her story.[1] -- HiEv 13:32, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Potential COI
SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:17, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

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Appto 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia requires that the sources used to verify content in its articles are reliable enough (see WP:RS). Blogs are not reliable enough sources. In addition, special care needs to be taken to make sure articles do not contain potentially damaging information about living persons (see WP:BLP). This information is potentially damaging so cannot be included with sources as poor as blog entries. Also, I have looked through the sources you gave on this talk page and they did not even verify this information. In the final four URLs you gave in your post, the first three made no reference to Baggs, and the fourth gave no information about who the author of that "letter" was. That is only the beginning of the problems with those sources that makes them unreliable. Q0 (talk) 04:39, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
It was requested to the editor that the matter be investigated.--Appto (talk) 18:07, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
By the way, something's off in the talk page history here: both of the old AfDs are supposed to be listed on the talk page. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:52, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, please post the relevant AutismSpeaks threads here to the talk page; they can't be used to source the article, but they are relevant to COI issues. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:07, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

This LiveJournal [8] article is done by a witness to Amanda Baggs' who knew her at 14 years old and testifies that she was not autistic in any sense then, and onward during their friendship. This is in the last sentence of the first paragraph...and there is other statements in this LiveJournal initial post. Then note the response posts by the author, and the often biased intense replies by supporters of Baggs, including Dave Seidel (who is it seems a major contributor to this wikipedia article on Baggs).
Some autismspeaks.org threads, the first [9] of which has an introduction to the controversy, then 251 posts and 10,000+ views, which is many times the level of typical autismspeaks.org involvement; I note this just to indicate the level of interest and apparent importance of the matter. Other links which began to promote Baggs, and which ended in critical discussion about the legitimacy of her diagnosis per the testimony of a multitude of witnesses who observed her at Simon's Rock College in 1994-1995 and elsewhere, and continuing for one witness to 1998. [10] [11]--Appto (talk) 18:25, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
I thought the Dispute of Neutrality would remain until the matter was fully discussed and resolved. Some contributors of this article, especially Dave Seidel, are not neutral. Note in the above linked threads that Dave Seidel is a highly personal supporter and defender of Amanda Baggs, and not an objective reporter of information, and has a highly biased interest in the promotion and defense of Baggs. Also, as moderator SandyGeorgia noted "By the way, if it came to AfD again, I'd be a "delete"; the entire article is nothing but quotes from a CNN blog, and I don't see notability here. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:46, 10 March 2008 (UTC)"--Appto (talk) 18:28, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Appto, slow down. First, I am not a "moderator" nor am I an admin. Second, please stop including my sig in your posts, as that makes it appear that they are my posts. Third, there is not a neutrality dispute here; you are confusing WP:NPOV with WP:COI. Please take some time to learn policies and guidelines; this isn't an "emergency", and the rest of us will catch up as soon as we have time. Post reliable sources here to the talk page, and we'll deal with it. Also, take time to read WP:BLP, lest you post here info which is not based on reliable sources; if you do, we are obligated to delete it. I'm still trying to catch up with your posts, as you are altering old AfDs. Please slow down. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:35, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Please note: livejournal.com and autismspeaks forums are not reliable sources. We can't write an article based on what they say. That info is relevant to notability and conflict of interest, but please take care with WP:BLP. Those are NOT reliable sources by WP:RS and WP:V policy; they are self-published sources. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:37, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
The link to Hating Autism should be left here because it has a year's worth of discussion that, all together, shows unquestionably that Amanda Baggs is not autistic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.181.39.117 (talk) 19:20, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, blogs are not considered to be reliable sources. That blog appears to be nothing but hearsay. - DaveSeidel HERE WE SEE THAT DAVE SEIDEL HAS TOLD US THAT HIS WIFE KASTHLEEN'S BLOG IS NOT CONSIDERED TO BE A RELIABLE SOURCE.(talk) 19:53, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
I removed the entry made here by DaveSeidel due to unfounded allegations of a personal nature, and an untrue and unsupported reference to a particular person's name, and untrue and unfounded allegation that this person is doing something on the Internet, and a personal allegation about the nature of this person's website. I'd like to note that DaveSeidel does this peristently as shown in the above mentioned autismspeaks.org links and LiveJournal link (see my post above with the references), and I'd like to note that DaveSeidel is a contributor and editor of this article on Amanda Baggs, and reiterate my request that his contributions and editings be reviewed for neutrality, and be strickened due to his clear and intense personal involvement with supporting and promoting Amanda Baggs - he is not a neutral nor objective source.--Appto (talk) 19:36, 10 March 2008 (UTC) Appto, it is not OK to delete someone else's comment: Do not strike out the comments of other editors without their permission. You would benefit from taking some time to learn the policies around here. If you have a specific WP policy to invoke, then please do so, but you can't just invent your own. - DaveSeidel (talk) 19:53, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Appto, you are making unreasonable requests, not grounded in wiki policy. We delete items that violate WP:BLP or that aren't sourced to reliable sources. The last time I went through this article, it was reliably sourced. There is nothing to be deleted, and who added it is not relevant except to the extent that we need to be aware of future WP:COI editing. Seidel, attempting to out the real life identity of any wiki editor is a serious offense. If you do it again, I'll make sure it is dealt with. Both of you need to get some perspective and slow down; there is nothing urgent here. I'm going to post to an admin noticeboard to get some attention on this, as you both appear to be dragging an off-Wiki dispute on to Wiki, and that needs to stop. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:48, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
I removed the name from my comment and reinstated it. - DaveSeidel (talk) 19:53, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
If Amanda Baggs' blog is relevant and can be used as a link, Hating Autism should also be allowed as a blog that, with Amanda's own words, disputes the veracity of everything that Baggs claims. Hating Autism elaborates on the disingenuous nature of Neurodiversity and Amanda Baggs.
Neurodiversity is simply an opinion, and a deranged opinion at that, that tries to dissuade anyone from trying to cure autistic children. ---- —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bettwice33 (talk • contribs) 20:08, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Please read WP:SPS; blogs may be used to source one's own entry, insofar as they make statements about what one says about oneself. They may NOT be used to source other content. Seidel, yes it is acceptable under some circumstances to remove talk page posts, for example, personal attacks, attempts to out someone's real life identity, and BLP violations. Bettwice33, you are violating WP:BLP and WP:NPA; stop now or you can be blocked. I've removed part of your post. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:21, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
I would like to also refer the readers to the Talk page and recent entries at the article on Donna Williams [12] under "Controversial Diagnosis". There are several parallels between this matter and the matter with Amanda Baggs.
ABC Radio National[[13]]. The Health Report. From Australia (Williams lives in Australia). "Autism - a special report by Kathy Gollan" An investigation by Kathy Gollan. There is considerable proof and evidence undermining the legitimacy of Donna Williams's diagnosis of autism, as discussed by autism experts and others, including Donna Williams doctor, a former college professor, Yale's Fred Volkmar, a former friend, and others. The article is a serious investigative report. A similar situation, and even far more supported and compelling, appears to be true of Amanda Baggs, and efforts are being made to secure several third-party investigations into this matter.--Appto (talk) 20:12, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
http://www.bolenreport.net/feature_articles/feature_article070.htm
I thought this was a discussion page. How can we discuss this matter if everyone's deleting comments? Please read the page in the Bolen Report that I have provided the link to. It explains exactly what's going on with Amanda Baggs and Neurodiversity's attempt to obfuscate the truth about autism.----

I've directed this page to the relevant policies.
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We do NOT repeat blog-sourced information that maligns a living person on either talk pages or in articles. If anyone here continues doing that, they can be blocked. Further, bringing off-wiki blog wars on to Wiki is not likely to be viewed well by uninvolved admins. Please keep your on-Wiki discussion confined to reliable sources. Blogs are not reliable sources. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:49, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Sandy, Did you read what Bolen had to say about how Neurodiversity, AKA Quackbusters, manipulates Wikipedia? Whether you block me or not, that won't change the truth. The truth can never malign anyone. Exposing a fraud is not maligning the fraud. When a fraud's own lawyer admits that her client is a fraud, as you can plainly see on Hating Autism "When the Music's Over", and Wikipedia ignores that, you are taking part in the fraud. ----
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After Wikipedia deleted my posts above, I left the following message for them.


So, Wikipedia deleted my comments. I copied them and will be sending them to your owners. I showed you the Bolen report that described how Wikipedia is perverted by disingenuous editors and, I guess, a disingenuous editor deleted it. Well, fuck you, I'll just put it on my blog and let anyone who cares see how Wikipedia is engaged in fraud. Amanda Baggs will be exposed as the fraud that she is and you bastards won't prevent that.
John Best----

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Neurodiversity, Amanda Baggs, Wikipedia and Quackbusters

To understand Neurodiversity, you have to read this page from Tim Bolen's latest report. For anyone who has run into a Neurodiverse knucklehead opposed to curing autism, this will make it crystal clear what you are dealing with.

There are no people opposed to curing autism. There is only this group of cockroaches that Mr Bolen describes who spread propaganda. Please read it. This describes Neurodiversity and the Autism Hub perfectly.

When The Music's Over, Amanda Baggs and Neurodiversity

Here's an interesting discussion about Amanda Baggs. I confirmed the following comment:
"I got a nice phone call from Nightsong's lawyer a few weeks ago where she said "Look, you and I both know Amanda's not autistic, but that's the life she wants, and you have no right to take it from her."" (Nightsong is Amanda Baggs.)

That quote is attributed to a lawyer representing Amanda Baggs. I confirmed that the conversation did take place and that the caller had information that should have only been known by the lawyer. I also confirmed that the person who posted this information had the lawyer's office phone number on his caller ID. You can click on the link above to read the denials that began a short time after this comment showed up on the Live Journal page. The people who tried to deny this identified themselves as Anne Bevington and Dave Seidel.

Let's look at Anne Bevington's motivation to assist Amanda Baggs. We can see that she is hooked up with Kathleen Seidel. Together with other bloggers from the Autism Hub, these people have made it their mission to assault an organization that does nothing more than attempt to cure children with autism. The key here is that Bevington, Seidel and the rest have used Baggs to give themselves some legitimacy. They support Baggs and her claims that she does not want to be cured. The whole time, we now find out for certain that they knew Baggs was not autistic.

This establishes the fact that Neurodiversity and the Autism Hub of bloggers have engaged in a conspiracy to defraud the public as to the truth about autism. Their lawyer thinks we have no right to take the life Amanda Baggs has chosen for herself from her. How quaint. It is not just about Amanda Baggs.

Amanda Baggs has been the publicity vehicle by which Neurodiversity has been able to make themselves heard. They have used her acting to convince the general public that nobody should try to cure autism.

In all of Kathleen Seidel's attacks on Mark Geier, Richard Deth, Rick Rollens, Generation Rescue and others, she has had Amanda Baggs as her Ace in the Hole to press the point that autistic people do not want to be cured, can not be cured and should not be cured. If Baggs' lawyer knows she is not autistic, certainly Seidel must know this. This establishes what I have said all along, that everything to do with Neurodiversity is a fraud.

Is there an Attorney General someplace who can prosecute these people for publicizing knowingly false information about autism?

Fire Julie Gerberding Now

Jenny McCarthy has asked that we join her in asking President Bush to fire Julie Gerberding, (pictured here) head of the CDC. Please call the White House on Monday, 3/10/08 starting at 9:00AM EDT, (202)456-1414.

Gerberding has stood by and done everything in her power to allow the Pharmaceutical industry to poison more babies into autism. She came out with some idiotic statement yesterday claiming that it has not been proven that any vaccines have caused autism. This is obvious spin control to protect Pharma that will allow more children to be poisoned into the nightmarish abyss of autism.

That's enough, Julie!! We're sick of your damn lies. We've known that thimerosal causes autism for 9 long years while Gerberding has sat there and continued to deny this fact. Now that a court case conceded that vaccines caused the autism, one would think this bitch, who is supposed to be looking out for our health, would admit that she has screwed up for the last 9 years and do the right thing. Nope, she's going to keep trying to "spin" the simple facts.

No way Julie, your reign of arrogance is all over. Too many people now know that you intentionally allowed the vaccine industry to poison our children. It's time to make all of the vaccines safe, right now, today. No more thimerosal. We know the truth!!! STOP POISONIONG OUR BABIES!!!

Please take a minute on Monday to call the White House and demand that Gerberding be fired. Asl all of your friends to call too. Thank you.

Some Sympathy for Senator Bill Frist

I'm sure Senator Bill Frist is feeling blue today that he let his benefactors in Pharma down so I wanted to dedicate this song to him.

In Memoriam, Neurodiversity

Neuroinsanity sustained a fatal blow today in Atlanta. I found a version of "Taps" where the bugler flubbed a couple of notes that I thought was appropriate to commemorate the passing of these nitwits.

Thank You CNN, Vaccines Do Cause Autism

Finally, a major network has allowed a doctor to state on TV that vaccines cause autism. They even let Dr Poling discuss the role of thimerosal as a factor in causing autism. I believe he said that the thimerosal can have an effect on the mitochondria. Wow!! It's hard to believe we have finally seen this in this media.

CNN made an error by continuing to allow Dr Sanjay Gupta his idiotic stab at raising doubt that thimerosal is responsible for the epidemic but, that's OK. Now that CNN has helped the general public to see the truth about this horror that the vaccine industry has perpetrated on our children, I don't think Sanjay will be allowed to continue to lie to the public much longer. I think Gupta will have to be fired pretty soon. He has now become an embarrassment.

Anyhow, this is cause to rejoice!!! The truth came out!!! All those parents of autistic kids who were lied to by their pediatricians, who still claim thimerosal does not cause autism, heard the truth from a Neurologist who had his own child poisoned by vaccines. Now that the truth came from an MD, all those parents who have believed the lies from our corrupt government should be deluging their Senators with demands for proper action. All of the liars in Congress now have to face the truth and stop defending their corrupt and negligent friends in the vaccine industry.


Hurray for CNN for covering this press conference!!!

Here's part of the press conference.
You have to scroll down to the video labelled "Baby's Descent into Autism".

Press Conference on Court Concession of Vaccines Causing Autism

LANDMARK FEDERAL COURT CONCESSION THAT LOCAL CHILD FROM ATLANTA DEVELOPED AUTISM FROM VACCINES

CHILD JOINS PARENTS IN PRESS CONFERENCE ABOUT THIS HISTORIC RESULT AT ATLANTA FEDERAL COURT HOUSE TOMORROW

LOCAL COUPLE FROM ATLANTA WILL JOIN WITH THEIR 9 YEAR OLD DAUGHTER, HANNAH, IN A PRESS CONFERENCE DISCUSSING THEIR DAUGHTER'S DEVELOPMENT OF AUTISM AS A RESULT OF VACCINES. THIS LANDMARK CASE ALLEGED THAT AUTISM WAS CAUSED BY CHILDHOOD VACCINES AND WAS SCHEDULED TO BE HEARD AS A TEST CASE BEFORE THE CONCESSION WAS MADE.

THE PRESS CONFERENCE WILL BE HELD TOMORROW, THURSDAY, MARCH 6, 2008 AT 11:30 AM ON THE STEPS OF U.S. FEDERAL COURTHOUSE AT 75 SPRING STREET IN ATLANTA, GEORGIA.

THE CENTERS FOR DISEASE CONTROL HAVE ESTIMATED THAT 1 IN 166 CHILDREN HAVE AUTISM, AND MANY HAVE LINKED THE AUTISM EPIDEMIC IN THIS COUNTRY TO THE MERCURY BASED PRESERVATIVE USED IN CHILDHOOD VACCINES.

ABC's Dr Tim Johnson, Nitwit

I think Dr Johnson should be sued for this crapola. This idiot claims that studies have looked at kids who've been vaccinated versus kids who have not been vaccinated to determine if vaccines cause autism. That is untrue.

A CDC employee gave us the proof that the thimerosal in vaccines caused an autism epidemic in 1999. Since then, horse's asses like Dr Johnson have been going on TV and handing out pure BS to try to allay the public's fears so they will keep making Pharmaceutical companies wealthier by buying their hazardous vaccines.

Dr Johnson, you are either an idiot or a liar. Your stupidity or your lies (take your pick) will cause a lifetime of the most horrendous human suffering I can imagine for countless children and their families. Autism is the worst thing that can possibly happen to any human being. You need to start preventing this horror instead of supporting the monsters who cause it.

NY Times Falls for Hoax, Amanda Baggs

Amanda Baggs has found another victim to help her spread misinformation about autism. I wrote to the author of this nonsense, Tara Parker-Pope but she has not replied. I also commented on the NY Times site but they did not decide to publish the truth, that Amanda Baggs is not, and has never been autistic.

At the end of this piece, the Times links to an article they published in 2004 about not curing autism. This bit of misdirection says nothing at all about autism but discusses a kid with Asperger's. It's impossible to tell if the author is simply ignorant since she won't reply to my information letting her know that she was conned or if she is an active participant in the sham being perpetrated by Neuroinsanity.com.

To fully understand Amanda Baggs' fraud, one also has to understand the fraud coming from Neuroinsanity. Neuroinsanity exists for the sole purpose of bashing anyone who has anything to do with curing autism. The preferred method of attack by this band of psychopaths is character assassination. Neuroinsanity links back and forth to Quackbusters which is a Pharma financed group that exists to try to discredit all forms of alternative medicine.

In the case of curing autism, Neuroinsanity and Quackbusters would have us believe that chelation to remove mercury from poisoned children is some form of quackery practiced by witch doctors. The fact of the matter is that chelation has been used since the 1940's and is standard practice in mainstream medicine for cases of mercury poisoning. What Neuroinsanity and Quackbusters are really up to is an attempt to prevent people from curing autistic children because those cured children are evidence against Pharma for poisoning babies into autism with thimerosal in vaccines.

If this bunch of sadists can use Amanda Baggs to spread their deranged message, they can influence parents to forego treatments that will help their children. They can make naive people think that there is actually something good about having autism. They can also influence the general public through the NY Times and CNN into believing that autism is no big deal, that people like Amanda Baggs, who acts like a low functioning autistic person can get along in life with a minimum of support.

The truth of the matter is that children who act like Amanda Baggs will never improve without intense medical intervention. They will remain unable to communicate for the rest of their lives, will never be able to care for themselves and will require 24 hour a day care in an institution once they become too large for their parents to handle. By confusing the distinction between Asperger's and autism, Neuroinsanity and Amanda Baggs can deflect blame from the Pharmaceutical industry. They have a willing cult of adults with Asperger's who also spread this message that they do not want to be cured. The fact of that matter is that many of these cult members diagnosed themselves with Asperger's yet, they advertise themselves as autistic.

Ask yourself if you'd label yourself as a severely disabled person who can't even wipe your butt versus a college educated professional if you were applying for a job. That's what these adults, who claim to have Asperger's do when they refer to themselves as autistic. It just does not make sense. One would think they'd want to make sure they marked themselves with a wide distinction from the horrible nightmare that autism is. Who would ever consider hiring an autistic person for any job when they would have to have at least two other employees to care for them and, of course, the autistic person could never accomplish one single task in any form of employment?

That's what autism is, a condition in which no person will ever accomplish anything and will never be able to communicate anything but the most basic of needs, if that. With rare exceptions, it would be absolutely impossible to teach an autistic child to type coherent thoughts without treating the cause of the condition so their brain could function at something approaching normalcy.

The only reason Amanda Baggs can type coherent thoughts at 120 words per minute and make her own Youtube videos is beacuse she is a phoney. Amanda Baggs entered Simon's Rock College at age 13. She left her home in California, unaccompanied, and travelled to Massachusetts where she lived in a dormitory and took care of herself. While attending college, she used magic mushrooms and lots of LSD. She soon found herself out of college and in an asylum after threatening suicide. Later, in her delusional state which was diagnosed as schizophrenia, she decided she was an elf. Then, at age 19 or 20, she managed to find a doctor who gave her an autism diagnosis.

She became friends with a lesbian in Vermont and moved across the country again to live in her own apartment. At some point, she became involved with Neuroinsanity. The owner of that site visits her and has driven her places from her home in New Hampshire. When I discuss Amanda Baggs on certain forums, the husband of Neuroinsanity's owner shows up to try to defend Baggs. Of course, his only defense of her involves trying to assassinate my character, a trick I'm sure he learned from his wife. Baggs has also had a lawyer following discussions about her. This lawyer makes legal sounding threats, has comments about Baggs deleted and even went so far as to try to hold another autistic woman responsible for anonymous comments made on this blog that were uncomplimentary towards Baggs.

Tara Parker-Pope needs to meet a real autistic person some day. I'd love her to spend a day with my son so she could appreciate the full horror that autism is. Perhaps then, she could stop being conned by the likes of Amanda Baggs and write a piece that describes the nightmare that our Vaccine industry has perpetrated by negligently poisoning our babies.

This whole circus of Baggs, Neuroinsanity and lawyers is a disgrace. These people belong in prison for the scam they have engineered to obfuscate the truth about autism.

A Letter About Amanda Baggs' Fraud

This is most of a letter written by a friend of Amanda Baggs who knew her at Simon's Rock College. Be advised that anyplace that links to this will see Dave Seidel show up within an hour to defend Baggs. If Dave fails to arrive for spin control, his wife beats him senseless.

Hey,


So I've known Amanda since 1994. I went to Simon's Rock College with
her. I have the year book to prove it. I also dated her brother Jeremy
from early 1996 until mid 1998. So to say I've got a good history here
is an understatement.


Amanda went to Simon's Rock at 14. She was very bright. And normal.
She lived in a dorm, like everyone else. She had a boyfriend named
Karl, who she was sexually active with. Folks walked in on her. Karl &
she both told me themselves in various contexts. She went to classes,
wrote papers, ate in the cafeteria, talked, danced, shat in the
toilet, etc.


Then she took an assload of hallucinogens. Repeatedly. During spring
break of 1995 she n-talked me (remember n-talk?) and was concerned
because she couldn't come down (stop hallucinating) from a large
amount of mushrooms. Her solution was to take some LSD to
counterbalance it. She claimed this worked.


Soon after she declared herself an elf.


Then the voices started, and the odd clothes, and the rest of the
schizophrenia stuff. She believed she was an elf, mind control, that
people poisoned her food, etc. She was involved with the cops several
times, once when she was found digging in the back field of her former
middle school, looking for a mind control device. She tried to jump
out of the car I was in with her brother a few times, requiring
restraint.


She left school. In and out of institutions for awhile, initially
declared multiple personality, later paranoid schizophrenic. She was
in a place in Fresno for almost a year. She walked and talked and did
all sorts of normal stuff. She was psychotic though.


Her mother bought into things hook, line, and sinker. Believed she was
MPD. Refused, REFUSED to believe schizophrenia. Amanda was trotted to
every doctor you can imagine. Perhaps it was atypical epilepsy (it
wasn't). Multiple personality (nope). Sensory issues (WTF?). For a
long time they believed it was trauma, since Amanda claimed her
brother SHane sexually abused her, and told me, somewhat graphically,
about being anally raped by him. Now Shane seems to be in her good
graces again. I wonder where Jeremy went, and why she never talks
about him?


Anyway, she's not autistic. She is manipulative. She is schizophrenic.
She is likely malingering. Payoff is big- no school, no work,
attention constantly. Amanda is terminally special. Always has been.


As for me, I have spoken to Jeremy since 09/2001. I saw Amanda on CNN
and nearly crapped myself. I have worked with folks with developmental
disorders for years. Her faking is offensive.


Anyway, if you want more info, let me know.

Sigma Aldrich Testimony about Thimerosal

State of New Hampshire Lies to Citizens

"The house Health and Human Services committee voted to kill HB 1316, establishing a committee to study the use of mercury in childhood vaccines. The state epidemiologist told the committee that no vaccines for children in NH contain mercury. The vote was 17-0."

This is a blatant lie. The flu shot does contain mercury. This tells us that 17 legislators have not done their homework and do not care if more of our children are poisoned into autism and other neurological disorders that are caused by mercury.

Pregnant women are advised to have the flu shot. Injecting mercury into them means that mercury is going to wind up in the fetus. I have asked people who give the flu shot if they had the variety that does not contain mercury and the response is always the same...I don't know. It seems those responsible for the health of citizens of NH don't know, don't care and don't want to know since they will not take the time to study this and the effect it has already had on our children.

This epidemiologist furthered his blatant lie since lots of vaccines are still "processed" with thimerosal and nobody can give us an accurate count of exactly how much mercury is in each shot. The fact remains that there is still some mercury in vaccines and to publicly state that there is none is what I consider medical malpractice.

The largest rise in autism happened in conjunction with the HepB vaccine being given to infants as soon as they were born. Prior to that, New Hampshire did not have even one case of autism among school age children. The reason the HepB shot was so effective at causing autism is because newborn infants do not have a Blood Brain Barrier that helps prevent some of that mercury from getting to the brain. Injecting pregnant women can have a more disastrous effect in causing more autism since the fetus can be much smaller than a newborn infant and have their brain destroyed before they are born by the mercury that was injected into the mother.

Our public officials do not have a clue what is going on with mercury in vaccines, will not admit the truth if they actually know it and should be called to answer for this idiocy by every parent in the state. We do not need more babies poisoned because incompetent and ignorant jackasses decide to avoid looking into important issues like thimerosal.

Playing Poker With the Enemy

Parents of mercury poisoned children have some well-intentioned but naive leaders. They also have some very large egos with which better educated people can not reason. One tactic that could produce an atmosphere that could accomodate their education is to blast them publicly, wait for them to respond and use that opportunity to give them the information they never learned in school or in life. Unfortunately for poisoned children, these self-appointed geniuses just don't have the guts to even respond.

That creates a dilemna. How is possible to reach these poorly educated leaders? They either throw you off their forums or delete your posts when you try to help them. They have decided they know all there is to know about finding a solution to the worst crime in the history of Earth. They don't want to listen to anyone who has the true solution. However, here we sit, watching judges toss out evidence while everyone sits around and does nothing. The geniuses have failed.

The surest way to lose at poker is to play on the home field of your opponent, with his rules, his cards and all the Aces stuffed up his sleeves. Yet this is exactly what the leaders here are doing. They are courting politicians looking for favors without any bribe money. They think deluging politicians with phone calls, faxes and emails will convince the pol's to do the right thing. It has not crossed their minds that all of this is just a bother that is easily deleted or tossed in the trash. Then these people who were fortunate enough to shake the politician's hand come back and tell us how wonderful they are and how they are certain they will do the right thing for our children. Now, ask these geniuses if the politician has said one word in public stating the truth we all know, that thimerosal caused the autism epidemic. Who thinks I'll be deluged with comments letting me know that this has happened countless times?

Let's look at the argument to obfuscation here. The argument to obfuscation is the claim by the government that science shows no correlation between thimerosal and autism. The government just proved this argument again by their judge refusing to hear evidence. He used a carefully worded rule that allowed him to toss out all of the evidence, give preference to government scientists and declare that thimerosal does not cause autism. The special rule that allows him to avoid hearing the evidence ensures that no jury hears the evidence and there is no chance that a jury could screw up the government's case by determining the truth of the matter. It's foolproof. The government can not lose in court when they hold the judges and the rules in their pocket. No matter how valid any argument presented by lawyers for injured kids is, the government employee judge just tosses it out.

Here's where we have decided to chase our tails some more by playing by the government's rules. The consensus seems to be that a study of vaccinated versus unvaccinated will prove our case. How much time will this take? How much will it cost? Once it's done, how long will it take to arrange a court case where it will be heard? Will the same rules for expert witnesses still be in place? Will even better rules that favor the government have been dreamed up and approved by Congress by then to make it even more difficult for expert witnesses to present their case to a jury? Will the government shove such a case into vaccine court where there is no jury and, you guessed it, a government employee Special Master goes through the motions of listening to another case that he has already been instructed how to decide?

In the meantime, during these years, how many more of our children will die by accident, or by muirder of more parents who will "snap", or by being restrained too harshly in institutions? The institutions are going to be way overloaded with our kids by the time any of this might be heard by a Kangaroo court. I don't think they will handle it very well.

Again, in the meantime, how many of us will waste countless hours arguing against propaganda experts who can toss all sorts of drug company studies at us and drive us crazy trying to refute them? Who knows that all of the propaganda experts are having a great time wasting our time and causing us to argue among ourselves? Who also knows that these arguments are designed to distract us from the fact that the only argument worth having is why the government won't tell the truth?

All of the trumped up science is just a diversion. The government already knows we have the answers. They know we are curing our kids. So, why do our leaders think it makes sense to join any government committee that will do absolutely nothing besides wasting more of our time?

The government and Pharma are criminals. They have sucked our leaders into a high stakes poker game that they have zero chance of winning. They are playing us for suckers and our leaders just keep drawing 3 cards to inside straights. And, every time they get lucky and fill one of those straights, the government just slips those Aces out of their sleeves. Judge Stuart Berger was holding 4 of those Aces.

Who knows how this is going to play out? Have any of our leaders figured it out? I'll tell you. This will drag on for 20, 30 or 40 more years. Most of us will be dead. Future generations will have all been poisoned by thimerosal. Their IQ's will dwindle down to below average and nobody will be capable of continuing the battle. Of course, children of the elite will have never had any thimerosal and their IQ's will be fine. They will run the country and the rest will all fall in line like good little sheep. Nobody will be able to think well enough to question anything. The price of alcohol and marijuana will be kept low so all of the riff raff will be able to afford to get high whenever they want and they won't be tempted to question anything the government does.

If you've read this far, do you think it's time to begin gaining an education by reading about Martin Luther King, H Rap Brown, Angela Davis and Abby Hoffman? Don't bother me with any questions if this makes sense to you. Just tell your leaders that better battle plans are available. Maybe they'll learn something about Poker.

Dishonorable Stuart R Berger, Moron or Bought?

Hey Judge Berger, you ain't foolin' anyone. Refusing to hear testimony doesn't smell too good. I think you were bought. Of course, I could be wrong and you could be simply stupid. That's just my opinion.

Let's look at the facts, Judge. Your decision states that "it is generally accepted in the relevant scientific community that autism is genetic in origin except in rare instances of prenatal exposures to certain substances at defined periods during pregnancy." This is false Judge.

The truth is, Judge, that it is generally accepted in the scientific community that you favored in this case that there is no known cause or cure for autism. Nobody claims it is largely genetic because that genetic evidence has never been found.

I'm judging you, Berger. You see, I am an expert on autism. I became an expert on autism because my son normal son was poisoned by thimerosal and became autistic. Every criteria you used to throw out expert witnesses is pure garbage.

There is no school that trains or educates anyone in the subject of autism causation. That's because schools only teach that there is no known cause or cure for autism. Ergo, no person could possibly meet your criteria. I'd love to know who told you that it is generally accepted that autism is genetic. Did a Wyeth representative hand you a note that said that inside a briefcase stuffed with cash?

Part of your decision involves the words "generally accepted as reliable in the scientific community". Do you see the conflict here, Judge? Are you really that stupid that you could have missed it? The "Scientific community" were the ones on trial here, Judge. The Scientific community are the ones who screwed up. They never tested thimerosal for safety. Yet, there you were taking what's generally accepted by a community who poisoned babies as some sort of standard.

My once normal son does not accept this as reliable science. He would be living a normal life right now if he had not been injected with thimerosal that had not been tested for safety.

In my book Judge, an autism expert is a guy who can cure autism. There are no schools that teach anyone how to do that. This knowledge has only been available for about 8 years. Mark Geier, the expert you threw out, is curing autism. That makes him more of an expert than any of the lawyers who convinced you to throw him out.

I think you should have talked to some of the kids he is curing, Judge. Then you would have seen what an autism expert is.

I challenge you Judge Berger, to show us any expert who has cured autism who will state that thimerosal can not cause autism. I can produce all sorts of autism experts who have cured this nightmare. The people who have been involved in curing autism are the ones who constitute the relevant scientific community. As you would learn by allowing these people to explain exactly how thimerosal caused the condition and how removing thimerosal from the brain cured the condition to a jury, you would also learn that the people who caused the condition are not the relevant scientific community. They are defendants. They committed a crime of extreme negligence and you have allowed them to evade responsibility without even allowing a jury to hear the case.

You are a disgrace, Judge Berger!!! You owe it to my thimerosal poisoned son to take whatever legal action is available to publicly declare that you screwed up. You have no right to declare ""thimerosal in vaccines does not cause or contribute to neurodevelopmental disorders such as autism,"" until you hear the evidence. You can only hear that evidence if you listen to the people who have discovered it. They did not discover it by reading textbooks. There was nobody to teach it to them. I suppose you'd say Columbus could not be considered an expert at discovering America because nobody taught him how to do it and he did not have a degree in the subject. My son and thousands of others just like him are recovering from autism by removing that mercury from their brains. We are the experts here, not the negligent idiots who poisoned our children.

And, if the attorneys in this case did not attempt the argument I have presented here, they should be sued for legal malpractice. I have not heard of any lawyers bringing cured children into court as evidence. Those cured children and the people who cured them should trump any obsolete nonsense about exactly who is an expert when it comes to autism. The people who caused the autism epidemic get themselves admitted as experts and these lawyers can't think their way around that?!!! What is wrong here?


Thimerosal-Autism Link Rejected by Maryland Court

January 14, 2008: 11:04 AM EST


MADISON, N.J., Jan. 14 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Wyeth announced today that The Honorable Stuart R. Berger of the Circuit Court for Baltimore City in Baltimore, Maryland, has granted Wyeth's motion to preclude plaintiffs' expert witnesses in an alleged vaccine injury case from testifying that exposure to thimerosal-containing vaccines can cause autism. The court's decision, in the case of Blackwell, et al. v. Sigma Aldrich, Inc., et al., followed a 10-day evidentiary hearing held last August.

Judge Berger found that "thimerosal in vaccines does not cause or contribute to neurodevelopmental disorders such as autism," noting that "it is generally accepted in the relevant scientific community that autism is genetic in origin except in rare instances of prenatal exposures to certain substances at defined periods during pregnancy."

Judge Berger held that plaintiffs had failed to show that the methodologies underlying their expert witnesses' opinions are generally accepted as reliable in the scientific community. He also held that plaintiffs' expert witnesses were not qualified "by knowledge, skill, experience, training or education" or that they could not set forth a sufficient factual basis to support the causation opinions that plaintiffs wished to present to the jury.

"We believe that the court's decision is in complete accord with the overwhelming scientific evidence that there is no link between vaccines and autism. The court correctly applied Maryland law to bar unfounded opinion testimony on scientific issues," says Daniel J. Thomasch, lead trial counsel for Wyeth in this litigation, who is a partner at Orrick, Herrington & Sutcliffe LLP.

About Wyeth

Straightening Out David Kirby

Thank you Dr King. David Kirby does not speak for me. I'm sick of Kirby's weasel-worded approach to talking about autism and thimerosal. I think it's time for him to shut up since he, obviously doesn't have a clue what he is talking about. That's right David, shut up and let some people who understand this do the talking.

I've had about all I can take of watching Kirby using the word "maybe" while discussing autism and thimerosal. I'm starting to agree with those who say Kirby is only in this for the money he's made off of his book and speaking engagements. If you had ever watched an autistic child improve by leaps and bounds by removing that damn mercury from his brain like I have Mr Kirby, you would stand up like a man and state in no uncertain terms that thimerosal caused this autism epidemic. If you want to speak for my son and make money off his back, then have the balls to stop saying "maybe".


The following from Dr Paul King:

David Kirby,

I read your recent Huffington Post article,
'The Autism-Vaccine Debate: Anything But Over'
[http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-kirby/the-autismvaccine-debate_b_74853.
html]
with interest and found that, while it made
many sound points, it is materially incorrect
when you stated:

>Finally, to all those who are going to
>post comments about the autism rates in
>California not coming down, following
>the removal of thimerosal from most
>vaccines: You are right. The most likely
>explanation is that thimerosal was not
>responsible for the autism epidemic.
>But that does not mean that it never
>harmed a single child.

Having NOT heard from you after my private
e-mail to you, your silence has compelled me
to publish the following rebuttal to your
inaccurate remarks in the article in
question.

Factually, the issue is NOT the removal of
Thimerosal from most vaccines BUT rather
the reduction in the maximum total dose
of Thimerosal that a child receives from
CONCEPTION to age 18 from what it is TODAY,
(900+ micrograms of Thimerosal [450+ micrograms
of mercury]) to ZERO micrograms of Thimerosal
("0" added micrograms of mercury) BY BANNING
Thimerosal from ALL vaccines AND other drugs
(e.g., nasal sprays, eye and ear drops, serums,
monoclonal-antibody drugs, testosterone solutions)
that CAN legally be given to children as was
IMPLICITLY PROMISED in 1999.

Second, California ONLY reports autism cases
- NOT autism rates (cases per 1,000 children
in California in each birth year) and
California is estimated to be currently having
a 4+% growth in the population of children
(a developing-country rate).

Since the preceding realities are the case,
then, why do speak of "autism rates"?

Moreover, IF California does NOT, as it did
last year, WAIVE the prohibition against
giving Thimerosal-preserved flu shots to
pregnant women and young children for 6 weeks,
the 2007 - 2008 flu will be the FIRST flu
season where some children developing in
utero and some young children will NOT be
mercury poisoned in California by being
indirectly (when in utero) and directly
(post partum) injected with Thimerosal-
preserved flu shots.

Since, in California, there was no EFFECTIVE
restriction on injecting pregnant women at
any stage in pregnancy UNTIL perhaps this
year, the unborn children were being mercury
poisoned by an additional 50 micrograms of
Thimerosl (25 micrograms of mercury) at a
time when the developing child MAY weigh less
than a kilogram (2.2 pounds) and, in many
cases MAY weigh less than 100 grams (0.1
kilogram [kg]).

If you believe that the EPA's 0.1 microgram
per kg per day limit is "safe," then the
level the developing child MAY receive
exceeds that "safe" level by 250 times
(for the 1-kg fetus), 2500 times (for the
0.1-kg fetus), or, when the fetus weighs
less, more.

This egregious assault on the unborn child
is compounded by the FACT that Thimerosal
is a PROVEN human TERATOGEN, MUTAGEN, and
CARCINOGEN at levels below 1 microgram per
kilogram!

Given the preceding, you, like the majority
of the public, apparently have been taken
in by the CDC's misdirection that focuses
on the number of vaccines from which
Thimerosal has been removed RATHER THAN,
as you should, FOCUSING on the MAXIMUM TOTAL
DOSE of Thimerosal that an American child
can still receive as well as the documented
TOXICITIES of Thimerosal -- that are more
than just that it is highly poisonous and
that it breaks down in the human body into a
form of "tissue-bound 'inorganic' (inorganic
in name only) mercury" that has a proven
half-life in the HUMAN brain of about 2
DECADES.

Hopefully, after reading this, you will
CEASE your uninformed pontification and
soothsaying about Thimerosal in vaccines
and other drugs and its link to autism
and confine your remarks to the factual
realities that you do UNDERSTAND.

FACTUALLY, UNTIL all uses of any mercury
compound have been BANNED and ALL Thimerosal-
containing and other added-mercury-containing
drugs (including those in which the presence
of added Thimerosal may have been concealed
from the general public) have been recalled
and destroyed AND at least 5 years have
elapsed, THEN no one should be predicting
when the RATES of "autism" will return to
their pre-vaccine level of about 1 in 10,000
in the U.S.

Moreover, UNTIL Thimerosal is replaced by a
safer preservative in all multi-dose
containers of vaccine worldwide, the autism
epidemic will, as it is now doing, continue
unabated in those nations who "cannot afford"
no-preservative single-dose vaccines (but
apparently can afford the costs of caring
for all the mercury-poisoned children to
which the use of Thimerosal will lead?).

Hopefully, after reading this e-mail, all
readers will understand what is factually
the case regarding the CONTINUING presence
of Thimerosal in vaccines and the perfidy
of injecting Thimerosal-containing flu
vaccines into pregnant women.

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Respectfully,

Dr. King
http://www.dr-king.com

PS: Until all use of mercury in dentistry
is banned and all mercury-amalgam
fillings in women of childbearing age
are replaced, there will still be some
newborns who will develop mercury-induced
neurodevelopmental disorders from in
utero exposures to the mercury those
amalgam filings emit each day coupled
with the mother's daily dietary intake.

This Pig has Autism, My Pig can Fly

Does anyone have an autistic child who has anything in common with this sorry excuse for a human being?

The video of this beast has been removed. Youtube must have stopped allowing gross fraud that insults disabled children.

Amanda Baggs, LSD Psychosis or Autism?

Having watched a person who is really autistic every day for the last 11 years, I can state that this knucklehead has nothing in common with autistic people. When autistic children want something to eat or drink, they know which cabinet to go to and they grab what they want without getting lost in the process.

This video has nothing in common with autism.

Amanda Baggs When She Was Normal

Does anyone know how to enlarge this picture so we can see how normal Amanda looked prior to becoming autistic?

Insanity Personified, Este Klar

Here is a thread from the Autism Speaks forums that exemplifies the insanity of people who claim there is any "Joy" in autism. Yes, this comes from Estee Klar's blog and was posted by fellow lunatic, Autism Diva.

Estee takes enormous liberties with the truth by suggesting that children who can't talk, read, write or toilet themselves have even the slightest concept of self-esteem. These severely disabled kids are concerned with spinning in circles, jumping up and down, stimming, watching videos, maybe riding on a swing, eating and not much else. I guarantee that no severely autistic child has ever considered his own self-esteem. This is an insane notion that an insane cult tries to transpose onto the children to further their deranged agenda.

Estee goes on to further discredit herself by making the unbelievable claim that "...recognizing that his challenges may be the very things that enable his gifts and may have formed much of his unique personality." This person must be on some great drugs if she can meet any low-functioning autistic kid and come away with the impresion that anything that child does can be considered a gift. Get real, lady! I suppose you'd try to make innocent people believe that the child who smears feces on the walls is a gifted artist. This woman is so crazed, I wouldn't put it past her to actually try this. And then she has the nerve to talk about personality, what personality? Yes, severely autistic children smile as innocently as babies. Even as they age, their smiles are so innocent that they are still very cute. But, and this is the part that Estee's mind in outer space misses, these children are very much just like babies, even at 21 years of age. They haven't been able to pay attention to anything long enough to form any sort of personality. They simply exist.

More inane rhetoric follows with Klar claiming we need to listen to the kind of assistance that autistic people feel was helpful to them, as kids. First of all, autistic people never make any such statements. Most of them can't speak. Some people with Asperger's may have some useful insights here but claiming that autistic people can do this is nothing but a lie to enhance the agenda of saying the most ridiculous thing that can be imagined in an effort to prevent anyone from curing an autistic child.

Klar, Autism Diva and the rest of the psychopaths from Neurodiversity refusee to distinguish between people with Asperger's who have earned PhD's and low-functioning autistic children who can't write their names and probably never will. This is part of the scam of the Neuroinsane. They continually trot out misfits who claim to have Asperger's and call themselves autistic. This is a lie and they know it. There is no good reason that they should not make this important distinction.

Neuroinsanity will call anyone autistic who claims to have a high IQ and is inept in social situations. The fact of the matter is that it is impossible to measure an autistic person's IQ because you could never get them to take the test. They might eat the paper or scribble on it but the chances of them answering even one question is zero.

Estee Klar goes on with some other nice sounding rhetoric about disability rights. Then she takes her best stab at obfuscating the truth by stating that "being autistic does not need to be characterized as a devastating condition". Autism IS a devastating condition!! There are no ifs, ands or buts about it. Autism is a 24 hour a day horror show. These kids scream in pain, bash their heads against cement, bite themselves and Estee Klar doesn't think any of this is a devastating condition. What planet are you on, lady?

Estee loves to use words like "accommodate", "acceptance", "inclusion", "enable" and "joy" in talking about autism. All of that is a crock. Nobody accepts it when a kid is screaming for half the day and knocking himself out by bashing his own head. That kid can't be included in anything. These kids need lots of help, not acceptance, or idiots howling about the "joy of autism".

Estee has the nerve to tell us that her kid has the right to be a contributing member of society, as though anyone would try to prevent that. This nut thinks she is doing some good for her autistic kid by clamoring about disability rights. At the same time, she isn't doing anything to help the kid reach a level of functioning where he will have the slightest chance of contributing anything.

I'm sure glad I didn't have a mother like Estee Klar. She probably would have sent me into a hockey game with high school kids when I was six and started bitching about accommodations when a puck took my head off. What a wacko!

That, folks, is the essence of Neurodiversity.





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Increased Male Hormones in Autism, Peer Reviewed Study

Routine Testing Confirms Elevated Male
>Hormones in Autism
>
>Release Contacts:
>For Immediate Release CoMeD President
>November 28, 2007 [Rev. Lisa K. Sykes (Richmond, VA)
> 804-364-8426]
> CoMeD Sci. Advisor
> [Dr. King (Lake Hiawatha, NJ)
> 973-263-4843]
>
>WASHINGTON, DC - A new moderate-scale
>peer-reviewed scientific/medical study
>confirms many patients with an autistic
>spectrum disorder (ASD) suffer from
>significantly elevated levels of male
>hormones, and numerous treatments that
>lower male-hormone levels have significantly
>improved clinical outcomes in patients
>with an ASD.
>
>This study, "A Prospective Assessment of
>Androgen Levels in Patients with Autistic
>Spectrum Disorders: Biochemical Underpinnings
>and Suggested Therapies," by Mr. David A.
>Geier and Dr. Mark R. Geier, has been
>published in the most recent issue of
>Neuroendocrinology Letters (Volume 28,
>Issue 5, pgs. 565-573). A grant from the
>Brenen Hornstein Autism Research & Education
>(BHARE) Foundation (Elk Grove, IL) to the
>Institute of Chronic Illnesses, Inc. (Silver
>Spring, MD) funded this research.
>
>Previous studies by Tordjman et al. (1997)
>and Geier and Geier (2006) have suggested
>patients with an ASD have elevated levels
>of male hormones. The male hormones tested
>in the Geier and Geier (2007) study were:
>testosterone, dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA),
>and androstenedione.
>
>This study utilized blood testing to assess
>the level of these male hormones in patients
>diagnosed with an ASD. The researchers examined
>70 patients diagnosed with an ASD who were
>subsequently found to have elevated male-hormone
>levels by the CLIA-approved US Laboratory
>Corporation of America (LabCorp).
>
>The findings by Geier and Geier demonstrate:
>· Patients with an ASD had significantly
> increased levels of serum testosterone,
> serum free testosterone, percent free
> testosterone, DHEA, and androstenedione
> relative to LabCorp's age- and sex-specific
> reference range means.
>· Female patients with an ASD diagnosis had
> significantly higher relative testosterone
> and free testosterone levels than the male
> patients.
>· Elevations in male hormone levels may result
> from environmental exposures, such as mercury,
> and increase the toxicity of the exposure.
>
>The results of the present study confirm and
>extend previous observations, establishing the
>clinical importance of elevated male-hormone
>levels in those diagnosed with an ASD. Also,
>this paper's findings are consistent with those
>observed by many others who treat similar
>patients.
>
>The researchers also found that administration
>of a male-hormone-reducing drug (leuprolide
>acetate, LUPRON®) to nearly 200 patients
>diagnosed with an ASD resulted in significantly
>lowered male-hormone levels and corresponding
>clinically significant reductions in
>hyperactivity/impulsivity, stereotypy,
>aggression, self injury, abnormal sexual
>behaviors, and/or irritability behaviors that
>frequently occur in patients with an ASD, with
>few non-responders and minimal adverse effects
>from the therapy.
>
>Thus, hormone testing is being successfully
>used to:
>· Demonstrate the role of elevated male
> hormones in populations with an ASD,
>· Clinically identify children and adults
> who have elevated male hormones, and
>· Track male hormone levels from affected
> patients undergoing treatment to lower
> male hormones.
>
>Today, any parent, physician, or healthcare
>provider can easily confirm whether a
>patient diagnosed with an ASD has elevated
>male hormones through testing done at LabCorp.
>
>Among other articles, the CoMeD's website,
>http://www.Mercury-freeDrugs.org, contains
>full copies of the 2006 and 2007 papers
>authored by David A. Geier and Mark R. Geier.
>

CNN, Lying to the Public About Autism

CNN is proving to be a seriously deranged network when it comes to reporting the truth about autism. They have decided to believe the story of a drug abusing lesbian who fraudulently claims to be autistic. While many parents of autistic children have written to CNN to explain exactly how this woman, Amanda Baggs, has concocted this fraud, CNN has turned a blind eye to the truth and broadcast a flagrant lie.

Sanjay Gupta, who claims to be a doctor, plays right along with Baggs' charade while his title of MD lends credibility to this liar. Amanda Baggs is not the least little bit autistic. She was a normal child who destroyed herself by abusing LSD. Her mind is so far gone that she actually believed she was an elf. Now this mental case is on national television trying to give advice to parents who are desperately seeking help for their children who can't talk, toilet themselves, read, write or do anything a normal child can do.

Amanda Baggs, in her delusional state, would have us believe that we should celebrate the brain damage that the thimerosal in vaccines caused in our babies. Sanjay Gupta and the idiots who run CNN are presenting this LSD crazed woman as some sort of authority on autism. Nothing could be further from the truth.

LSD does not cause autism. Intellectually gifted children who are so smart that they can travel across the country to attend college at age 13 do not all of a sudden become autistic. Autism begins in very early childhood, after babies are poisoned by thimerosal. Sane people do not accept this horrible brain damage that has been caused in their children. Sane people do not go on CNN and say they accept autism for their children. Sane people want their children cured.

CNN deletes all the comments from sane people who go onto their blogs to try to expose this sham that is being perpetrated by Amanda Baggs, a lesbian named laura Tsoncik and a bunch of other wacked out idiots who think autism should not be cured.

CNN needs to hear from lots of sane people who resent this obfuscation of the truth by drug crazed lesbians. CNN needs to show some severely autistic children opposite Amanda (sham) Baggs so people see the truth about autism. They also need to show some sane parents who have cured their autistic children so all parents can learn that autism is curable.

Amanda Baggs on CNN Tonight at 10:00PM EST

P.T. Barnum would love CNN tonight, watching them being sucked in by an ex-schizophrenic who became an elf and then decided to become autistic. Or, was she an elf before she became schizophrenic? It doesn't matter. This obese actress is obfuscating the truth about autism, making a mockery of the pain that actual autistic children suffer every day.

I hope everyone who has learned the truth about this fraudulent hog writes to CNN to let them know that she is misrepresenting the horror that autistic children and their families endure.

Here's the link to the CNN blog where they refuse to publish comments showing that Amanda Baggs is a fraud. Sanjay Gupta is thereby showing himself to be a lying sack of dung by promoting the sham of Amanda Baggs while editing out the truth of the matter.

People who watch Amanda Baggs' shoddy attempt at impersonating autism need to let CNN know that they don't like being lied to concerning the horror that is autism.

How Do You Stop Autistic Self-Biting? Help!!!

I'm nearing the end of my rope with Autism. My family has put up with my son biting himself and screaming almost every day for over three years now. I asked in countless places if anyone can tell me why these kids bite themselves and how to stop it. Nobody seems to have an answer.

I've endured countless well-meaning people who have told me to give him some rubber thing to chew on. These people have no idea how intense this problem is. This biting is not some behavioral problem. My son appears to be in great pain of some sort. The problem is that he still can't talk and has never given any indication what might be bothering him to cause this biting.

The biting disrupts our entire lives since none of the aides who come in to help with Sam can be left alone with him. He can overpower any woman and can easily hurt them in one of his rages. It makes going to work impossible sometimes. It makes helping our other kids with things impossible at times. IT has destroyed countless dinners and has ruined almost every day of our lives.

I've had about all I can take. No God damn doctor has been able to offer any opinion about why this occurs and none has been the slightest help in finding a way to stop this. No combination of drugs has been any help. Keeping him off all drugs has been useless. Chelation has had no effect one way or the other. During some long breaks in chelating, the biting never changed. The screaming never got better or worse.

I'm done talking about anything to do with autism until I can solve this biting. If I can't find a way to stop it very soon, my son will be going away to an institution.

I'm begging for someone to tell me how to stop the biting and screaming. I just can't take it any more.

Paul Offit, MD Lies to the Public Again

Paul Offit, MD is involved with a new group that is trying to lie about the safety of vaccines. Offit and his group of lying scoundrels, mostly physicians, stress that false information will reduce the acceptance of vaccination.

The fact of the matter is that thimerosal is not safe. It causes autism. It would be a simple matter to provide thimerosal free vaccines. All it takes is single dose shots.

Dr Hinman's email address is at the bottom of this letter. If you think this guy should tell the truth instead of poisoning more babies into autism, write to him and tell him so. I have no objection to safe vaccines. These scoundrels claiming that thimerosal is safe is criminal. They should all be locked up. Maybe we could send them soiled diapers instead of the checks they are asking for.

People For Immunization

Immunization of children has been spectacularly successful in
preventing disease in the United States – most vaccine-preventable
diseases are currently at all-time lows and childhood immunization
levels are at all-time highs. As a result of our success in
vaccinating children, many parents (and health care providers) no
longer perceive an imminent threat from vaccine-preventable diseases
and may question whether it is necessary to obtain timely
immunization. Although vaccines are safe and effective, real safety
and effectiveness issues arise, and accurate information needs to be
provided about them. One thing is certain: vaccines have saved the
lives of millions of people worldwide, and there is a real risk that
false information will reduce the acceptance of vaccination.

We have little to celebrate in immunizing adults of all ages in the
United States, and much work remains to be done to reach his
underprotected population.

Rising concerns, mostly non-science based, about the safety of
immunization are threatening the gains we have made in childhood
immunization. This is a global problem, not just a problem for the
United States. Myths arising in other countries, such as MMR
purportedly causing autism in the United Kingdom, have impact on
attitudes and practices in the United States. By the same token,
issues arising in this country, such as the notion that thimerosal in
vaccines causes autism, affect what happens in the rest of the
world. Unfortunately, the loudest voices and most visible faces
addressing immunization are often those attacking the safety of
specific vaccines or those generally opposed to immunizations rather
than those who support vaccines' benefits. Many of those in the
immunization field feel there is a need for independent, credible,
science-based advocacy to prominently reflect the broad base of
support for immunization among Americans. People For Immunization
intends to provide voices and faces to meet that need.

People For Immunization (PFI) will provide science-based, accessible,
and clear information about the benefits and risks of vaccines and
vaccine-preventable diseases to the public, health professionals,
political leaders, and their organizations. It will represent the
millions of people who support immunizations by speaking with one
strong voice about the value of immunizations. PFI seeks to become
the "go to" source for credible, science-based information on issues
relating to vaccines, vaccine-preventable diseases, and
immunization. PFI will advocate strongly to improve the appalling
low adult vaccination rates in the United States. PFI will translate
policy for the public.

People For Immunization will have a large Scientific Advisory Board
comprising recognized authorities in the field. To ensure its
credibility as an independent voice, it will accept no funding from
the vaccine industry or the federal government. It will seek to
enlist the millions of Americans who support immunization and give
them a voice in the national discussion about benefits and risks of
immunization.

People For Immunization will provide a science base for statements
regarding issues raised about vaccine safety and effectiveness. It
will seek to organize and participate in congressional briefings and
provide testimony at state and national levels as well as providing
rapid and effective communication via several media.

People For Immunization is currently administratively housed in The
Task Force for Child Survival and Development, a 501(c)(3) not-for-
profit public charity incorporated in Georgia. During its formative
period, Dr. Alan Hinman is serving as project leader. A Steering
Committee is guiding formation of PFI and will be replaced by an
Executive Board once the organization is up and running. Future
plans for the location and administration of PFI will be determined
by PFI's Executive Board.

If you would like to be a member of People For Immunization (there
are no membership fees) please contact Dr. Hinman at
ahinman@taskforce.org. To make a tax-deductible contribution to
support PFI's work, please contact Dr. Hinman or send your
contribution to The Task Force for Child Survival and Development,
750 Commerce Drive, Suite 400, Decatur, GA 30030. Checks should be
made out to the Task Force for Child Survival and Development (or
TFCSD) and marked "for PFI."

People For Immunization Steering Committee Members

Joseph Bocchini, MD – American Academy of Pediatrics
Douglas Campos-Outcalt, MD – American Academy of Family Physicians
Mark Kane, MD – Consultant, Seattle WA
Paul Offit, MD – Vaccine Education Center
Walter Orenstein, MD – Emory Vaccine Center
Denise Palmer – Families Fighting Flu
Trish Parnell – Parents of Kids with Infectious Diseases (PKIDS)
Amy Pisani – Every Child By Two
Gary Stein – Families Fighting Flu
L J Tan, PhD – American Medical Association
Jon Ternte, MD – American Academy of Family Physicians
Deborah Wexler, MD – Immunization Action Coalition