Sunday, July 02, 2006

Neurodiversity Versus Sanity (Again)

Once again, the Wicked Witch of Neurodiversity has attacked the Geiers. The Geiers are the guys who proved that mercury caused the autism epidemic. The Geiers discovered a treatment for mercury poisoning that helps children rid themselves of mercury faster and with fewer side effects. The Geiers are helping autistic children.
Witch Seidel has made it her personal crusade to find fault with every action taken by the Geiers. The Wicked Witch does not want to see any children cured of the nightmare that is autism. She thinks kids should celebrate this horrible existence.
My son can't talk, read or write at almost 10 years old and Kathleen Seidel is out to crucify scientists who want to help him. In her latest bit of yellow journalism, the Witch is insinuating that the Geiers are committing insurance fraud. Any decent parent would ask why the hell insurance won't pay for treatments that help children escape the abyss of autism in the first place.
Can anyone tell me why this despicable witch wants to see children suffer with autism? How can any parent be so damn sadistic?

102 comments:

Nathzn said...

Seidel sees the truth.. that autism isn't a horrible existence. Maybe your child hasn't progressed because the number of treatments so that the placebo effect doen't work on him.

Do what most parents do, learn to accept your child for who he is.

btw as you said early (that you only blog when that injury is nagging) i'm delitede to hear from your unique branch of insanity.

Fore Sam said...

Seidel is pure evil.

Mike Stanton said...

Is Mark Geier board certified to diagnose and treat endrocrinological disorders in children?

Did his son David lie about his post grad affiliations?

Does his BA qualify him to do post grad work in biochemistry?

Is the IRB that approved their research a fake?


Would the insurance companies pay for the Lupron injections if they knew these children did not have CPP?

Is it wrong to point these facts out?

If these were facts about a pro vaccine doctor you would be all over them.

Zelda from Barstow said...

I think you forgot to say "witch" a couple of times.

You wouldn't take your kid to the Geiers would you?
I didn't think so. You wouldn't fall for this insurance fraud scheme would you? I didn't think you would. That means you won't be going to the pen along with Nanstiel, Srinath, Geier pop and Geier son, and whoever else is lying about a child having precocious puberty in order to get them expensive Lupron shots for cheap. That means your kid won't see you in handcuffs. We all pay for insurance fraud you know.

Fore Sam said...

Zelda;
I might take my kid to the Geiers. The only insurance fraud here is the refusal to pay to help injured kids.
The lifetime cost of autism is a hell of a lot more than a few Lupron shots. Please tell me how you calculate the cost of a normal life destroyed by mercury.
Another form of fraud is neurodiverse wackos claiming they have autism and collecting social security instead of helping themselves by treating their condition.

Fore Sam said...

Mike;
We know the Wicked Witch likes to stretch the truth about the esteemed scientists who help kids. I don't believe one word she utters.

Joseph said...

The Geiers must be glad that they have someone such as John Besh Jr. to take their side on this issue.

My son can't talk, read or write at almost 10 years old

I thought you said he was doing great since you started chelating, what, 5 years ago? There's one therapy you haven't tried, John, and that's acceptance therapy.

Joseph said...

Oh, if you are able to refute Kathleen's findings, you should. Why don't you?

Fore Sam said...

Joe;
I'm on round 45, less than two years worth of chelation. Sam's made great gains from the vegetative state he was in two years ago. If I had accepted the mercury poisoning, he'd still be a vegetable and that would make me a rotten father.

Fore Sam said...

Joe;
I did refute the Witch's findings. It's a matter of ethics. It doesn't matter how the Geiers get paid if they help kids. It's unethical for insurance companies to allow kids to suffer. No parents strangled the CEO's of insurance companies. They found their children some help and I don't give a damn how they did it.
Kathleen needs to get on her broom and hustle to an ethics course.

Joseph said...

Sam's made great gains from the vegetative state he was in two years ago.

I thought you said his diagnosis was autism. I would find it hard to believe that a child in a vegetative state would receive a diagnosis of autism.

Joseph said...

It's a matter of ethics. It doesn't matter how the Geiers get paid if they help kids.

Is is a matter of ethics and the law. But you apparently haven't read Kathleen's posts.

Anonymous said...

Oh, I'm certain John has been chelating for longer than two years. Just search "bettwice33" to see how long he's been praising chelation.

JB Handley has been chelating for around 1 1/2 yrs. now, I think. Not sure if Buttar's fake mocha-frappucino chelato cream counts as chelation or not.

JB swears by it though, or swore by it. That and RNA drops, and va;trex, and B12 nose spray, and a bunch of other stuff. Not ABA though. That doesn't remove mercury...oh, but he backpedalled on that too. Oh well.

Can't believe these mercury dads I guess.

Fore Sam said...

Joe;
The psychiatrist said autism. The pediatrician said he was a vegetable.
That's what you don't understand about mercury poisoning that is severe. The kid couldn't function on any level. Now he can function pretty well.
Don't blame me because the "experts" who gave him the label won't admit the truth about mercury. Of course, in 1997, they didn't know the truth either.
I don't believe anything I read from a woman who trolls lists to pull sneak attacks on decent parents. If what she claims is true, so what. Stupid laws are meant to be broken. If you had an ounce of brains yourself, you'd ask Orac to give you the same diagnosis for your kid and have the Geiers fix him for you.

Janice said...

Sam it looks likes chelation doesn't work as your son in your own words can't read, write or speak. As for the Paediatrician who said your son was a vegetable >:-(

Fore Sam said...

Janice;
There are a lot of other things Sam couldn't do that he can do now.
The pediatrician merely stated a fact.
Would you translate your code into English?
When Sam does learn to speak and write, I'll tell him about neurodiversity. Maybe he'll help rescue neurodiverse children from their idiotic parents.

Janice said...

Fore sam being unable to speak does NOT make anyone a vegetable.

How does your son communicate?
Re neurodiversity if Sam does get to know about it I think he'd be pleased at least some people haven't written him off as a a "vegetable" A pity his own father wasn't one of them

Nathzn said...

Sam will probably join ND, sfter all unlike most lucky auties his family didn't accept him at all.

He's got a greater motivation than any to join... so his Dad will love him for who he is.

John your active here yet seem unable to answer questions else where on this site why is that?

btw the "Seidel is pure evil." shows your mental maturity. There is no such thing as pure evil. There is no such thing as pure good either, only shades of gray.

and anyway that's not a response to anything I said.

Fore Sam said...

Janice;
You don't read very well, do you? Didn't I just explain to Joseph that my son is no longer a vegetable because I helped him with chelation.
Neurodiversity has written off all autistic people by virtue of the fact that its' Wicked Witch is trying to discredit all doctors who help children. Accepting a disability is quitting. You're a bunch of quitters. I won't quit on my son like you dumb bastards have on your kids.

Fore Sam said...

Nathzn;
I've been too busy to bother with this for awhile. Kevin Leech pointed out to me that your Witch was slandering the Geiers again so I found the time to point out her sadistic crap.

nathzn said...

that answers one thign i said how about answering the others?

Fore Sam said...

Nathzn;
I just took some time out from cashing trifecta tickets to watch Sam have a great game of catch with his sister. It was the first time the two of them have ever played together. Sam showed some very athletic moves catching and throwing the ball, the same sort of athleticism he demonstrated as a baby. You bunch of knuckleheads can celebrate being poisoned if you want. I'll be recovering my son. I'm sure he'll also be cashing trifecta tickets soon.
If Seidel's not pure evil, then she's pure stupidity. Take your pick, she disgusts me.

Nathzn said...

and you me

Fore Sam said...

Nat;
Why does your Witch want children to suffer?

Anonymous said...

OK, Mr. Trifecta, you can visit the criminals in jail and you can all whine about how evil people are to expect others to obey laws about not lying about diagnoses.

No one is stopping these people from using Lupron, but they are lying and stealing other people's money by lying to the insurance companies. I'm sure, though, that Doc Geier will be able to explain the choice of diagnoses as ethical and not having anything to do with making a profit himself. Then you can visit him in jail.

Fore Sam said...

Anon;
I'm going to give you an economics lesson, no charge.
The cost of lifetime care for a person with autism is estimated between 3 and 5 million. If Lupron cures the autism, the taxpayers don't have to swallow that expense. The odds favor paying for lupron. Diagnosis irrelevant.

Anonymous said...

FS the economist said: The cost of lifetime care for a person with autism is estimated between 3 and 5 million. If Lupron cures the autism, the taxpayers don't have to swallow that expense.

That could also be used as an argument in favor of killing your own child, but of course the long term cost to society is much greater when you consider the expense of incarcerating the murderer.

I'm sure, given the choice, the average taxpayer would prefer the added expense over unnecessarily exposing a child to a dangerous medication.

Society expects and accepts that some members may require more or less assistance, John, why can't you?

Fore Sam said...

Anon;
You have your dangerous medicines confused. Mercury is a dangerous "medicine". Lupron is a good medicine that removes mercury.
If autism were a genetic condition, society would just have to absorb that cost. Most autism is caused by mercury, and helping children rid themselves of that mercury helps the kids and the taxpayers.
Will you tell me why your Witch wants children to suffer?

Anonymous said...

John, do airbags save lives? If yes, how do we know?

Fore Sam said...

Anon;
Why don't you drive your car off a cliff and report back with the answer?

Anonymous said...

Thanks, that's very kind of you. I realize that you are angry but there wasn't anything in that question to warrant your response.

I thought you were interested in intellignet debate but I see you are unprepared to argue your position and instead prefer to resort to insults.

Fore Sam said...

Anon;
I don't see you hazarding any guesses to answer my question about your Witch. Why should I take any anonymous questions seriously? If you're interested in intelligent debate, try identifying yourself.

Nathan Smith said...

If your ability to present your point of view is contingent on knowing my identity then your argument will undoubtedly take the form of personal attack.

My name is irrelevant as is yours, unless there is a phonebook listing for Mr. Fore Sam I'm not aware of. If full disclosure is your objective then I'll look forward to your next post where you list your home address, telephone number, SS#, annual income, and sexual preferences.

Fore Sam said...

Nathan;
I think everyone who visits this site knows I am John Best. Phone (603)434-3928, address unlisted, SS# and income is none of your business and it should be obvious I prefer women since I have 3 kids and am married.
I'll probably pur down your ideas in no uncertain terms but you shouldn't take that personally.

Janice said...

Being married is no indication of sexual preference lots of married people are gay.

Fore Sam said...

Janice;
I thought that was only legal in MA or maybe CA.

Joseph said...

And John scores lower than average in the AQ test. He's like the opposite of autistic. And you know what they say about autism being a extreme form of maleness. John even buys all the stuff about excess testosterone.

I'm just saying... :)

Janice said...

I meant married to opposite sex partners not gay marriage.

Anonymous said...

"it should be obvious I prefer women"

Interesting choice of words

Fore Sam said...

Janice;
That's not true. You've been listening to too many wackos.

Joe;
That extreme male brain stuff is nonsense. It's not extra testosterone that causes the problem. It's the inability to excrete mercury.
Which one of you will explain why Seidel wants children to suffer?

Janice said...

Fore sam I have, I have. After all I've read what you have written.

Joseph said...

Which one of you will explain why Seidel wants children to suffer?

No one has answered that because it's a nonsense question based on a fallacy.

Fore Sam said...

Joe;
Your witch has attacked a guy who created an institute to help solve the problem. She attacked a PhD who gave us the best explanation of exactly what happens to cause autism, and two guys who proved that mercury caused the epidemic and are now curing autism. She also went after me and a mother from NH who is curing her kid with chelation. There have probably been more sleazy attacks I didn't see.
All of these people she attacks are trying to help children. So, where's the fallacy in concluding she wants children to suffer?

Joseph said...

John, explain to us why you want to beat your wife.

Fore Sam said...

Joe;
You and your associates aren't very good at answering questions. Evasive answers are evidence of lying.

Anonymous said...

The Giers are lawers, Best, not scientists. Lawers "proved" that OJ was innocent. Doesn't mean much to me. I come on here periodically to see what a joke you are, Best. Rock on, John.

Any Mouse

Fore Sam said...

Any Mouse;
The joke is you bunch of nitwits thinking you don't need to be cured.

Anonymous said...

The ND's are so intent on being right that they are ignoring all the signs that say that they are WRONG. Slander away, ND's. It will make for good reading in a few years.

Anonymous said...

As I said, the Griers are lawyers. YOU said that calling someone a lawyer was slander, not me. I'm not slandering, but you seem to be admitting to deciet.

Any Mouse

And who said I was Neuro-Diverse? Wasn't ever me. Are the Griers atourneys or are they ambulance chasers?

Fore Sam said...

Any mouse;
The Geiers are scientists. Your witch is a housewife who can't write. I rest my case.

Anonymous said...

Ah, Best, you removed my previous posts. However, that does not change the facts that the Greiers are only scientists in their own minds and the minds of the people who buy their sideshow elixer. They have been rejected by the scientific community. And delete me as you wish. Your attempt at concealing your lies is as amusing as your manufacture of facts. I have to go to the gymn again. Bye.

Any Mouse

Anonymous said...

Anonymous Any Mouse:

Learn to spell. You are horrible.

Anonymous said...

Best (i.e Worst),

Learn to think! You are magnificently stupid.

Any Mouse

Anonymous said...

P.S. I'm off to the gymn again. :)

Anonymous said...

er... Anonymous... A. N. E. Mouse... Anon E. Mouse... Anny Mouse...? Spelling is highly overrated.

Fore Sam said...

Anymouse;
Thanks for showing us an example of neurodiverse brain damage.

Anonymous said...

Please explain yourself, John. Your insults make no sense because they have no logic. Apparently, you are only vile, Best. Do you ever bother to use your brain, sir?

I am finding the gymn much more productive than insulting you.

Any mouse

Anonymous said...

I would recommend the gymn over participation in this ridiculous website. John, you should golf more. I admit it is pretty wimpy compared to weight lifting and swimming but if it is all you have then...

Any Mouse

Fore Sam said...

Mouse;
I did lots of weight lifting and hockey playing when I was young. How come you're not playing a contact sport? No guts?
Golf is a cerebral game. I doubt you could outsmart the golf course.

Anonymous said...

Oh, I've played golf, and as for "cerebral games" I've noticed your albeit weak attempt to bait and intimidate. I will not bring myself down to such a crude and stupid level as you, my friend. Hockey playing is for neanderthals.

Fore Sam said...

Hockey playing is for neanderthals.

Mouse;
A typical response from one who doesn't have the guts to play it.

Anonymous said...

Just to be completely clear, Best:

You are an amusement for me. I come here because you set yourself up to be insulted by your pedantic diatribes and rude demeanor. I am neither insulted nor intimidated by you. I am amused at my own insults of you, which I believe are quite funny. You are a joke to me.

As for your use of the term Neuro-Diverse I believe, that for your purposes, you misunderstand it and should stop using it. As far as being "normal" or "functional" you severely miss the mark, my friend, though I would not define you outside of calling you an idiot and an asshole.

Fore Sam said...

Mouse;
These are outstanding examples of the neurodiverse intellect. Do you have anything intelligent to say or should I just expect more gibberish?

Anonymous said...

"Neuro-Diverse Intellect"? I am surprised you would use those two words together. I would never use the words "John Best" and "Intellect" together. That would be an oxymoron.

"John Best" and "bonehead" would be appropriate together, though.

Fore Sam said...

Anonymous;
Will you tell me why your witch wants kids to suffer?
Can you do anything besides call me names?

Anonymous said...

Nope, Best. I am copying your technique of irrational name calling and incitement. As I said, by intentionally making yourdelf obnoxious and socially disfunctional you leave yourself open to name calling.

It is intentional, isn't it?

Fore Sam said...

The obnoxious thing, Mouse, is your witch wanting children to suffer. Will you tell me why?

Anonymous said...

I believe you have written tourettes, if such is possible, because your insults seem disconnected from any form of reality.

I believe picking on autistic people makes you feel normal. You certainly are not.

Fore Sam said...

Anon;
If the autistic people who read this blog don't like it, they should shut the hell up and mind their own damn business. Who the hell do they think they are telling us not to cure our kids?
I'm not insulting anyone. I just oppose nonsense that you wackos think makes sense.

Anonymous said...

Look, you keep saying your kid is severely handicapped by autism even though you hsve been applying this "treatment". I know several people with autism who learn to be functional in society WITH their needs and abilities as autistic people, just like every person learns to live in society, yet you still hold your kid out and say "Look at the evils of autism."

Well, I could hold your kid out and say: "Look at the results of bad parenting and innapropriate treatments."

No matter how many autistic people speak with you intelligently and rationally about this you refuse to make the connection that autism does NOT equal mental retardation. You will not learn. Is this as a result of your own form of mental retardation which you suffer from? Or are you earning money promoting this quack treatment?

Anonymous said...

By the way, John, as I keep saying I am not autistic so you must redefine your terms "wackos" and "neuro-diverse". You give me sufficient proof and I will redefine my d4efinition "obnoxious stupid asshole" as I have applied it to you.

Fore Sam said...

Anon;
No autistic people have spoke to me rationally so far aside from one older gentleman who was not ranting against helping children.
I never said autism was the same as MR, quite the opposite. If a kid can't pay attention to anything long enough to function in this world, the result is the same, or worse. Many people with MR can function well. Kids with autism can't function at all. That's the thing you creeps with Asperger's will not learn.
Mouse;
An obnoxious stupid asshole is a parent who lets his child rot in the hell of autism and tries to prevent decent parents from helping their children. Your warped definitions fit right in with your defense of a a sexually warped pending psychologist's perverse behavior.

Anonymous said...

John best said: "Many people with MR can function well." He should know being the brain damaged cretin that he is. However, he does not function well he wastes all his time on the internet. He cannot possibly have time to earn a living because he wastes it on this totally pointless blog.

He also said: "Kids with autism can't function at all." which is a blanket statement covering a whole range of children. He just can't accurately say that. It may well be true that his own child does not function well or, with him as a parent, have any chance at all to meet the challenge of living with autism. John has probably hurt his own child severely with bad treatments and bad attitude. If John's child is having problems he should stop blaming autism and blame himself.

Fore Sam said...

Anon;
Am I supposed to blame myself that the doctor who shot up my son with thimerosal didn't bother to tell me he was injecting poison into him?
And, by the way, I just earned a fair amount of money in about 10 minutes on the internet playing horses. So, now I have more time to talk to you bunch of herks.

Anonymous said...

herks?

Nathzn said...

I think he means jerks, go easy on him his bains not very quick, to full of 'mercury causes autism' and a dash of bigotry of course

Fore Sam said...

Nat; You have a lot of nerve giving me crap over a typo with your atrocious spelling.

Nathzn said...

I'm Dyslexic, you (say) that you are normal.
What's your excuse?

Fore Sam said...

Nat;
Are you really dumb enough to make a big deal out of a typo? Nevermind, you already answered that.

Nathzn said...

Your just repeating yourself

Nathzn said...

Over and Over

Kevin_1000 said...

I find it incredible that some people celebrate severe/profound autism. How can you deny a child tested and proven treatment that may help their condition?
It would be like denying a cure for leukemia or another serious condition!

It seems like no one cares for the plight of severley autistic children and even worse will not recognize it as a serious condition.

At the end of the day, if the treatment is proven, who has the right to stop parents seeking it.

We are looking at basic human rights here, which we're all entitled to. In the case of severely autistics children it is the parent who must ensure these rights are met.

Nathzn said...

That is about as opposite to human rights as you can get, only the autistics themselves have the right to request these treatments.

Parents dodn't own there children, autistic chidren (despite not being treated as real people) are not extentions of the parents ego

Kevin_1000 said...

What you are implying is ridiculous. Using that logic you would not be able to treat someone in a coma, because they could not request it.

You have shown a basic lack of understanding and ignorance of autism with your latest comment.

No, parents don't 'own' their children but are responsible for their well-being and actions until they are eighteen.

Fore Sam said...

Kevin;
It's good to have someone show up here with some common sense. I think many of these autistic adults need guardians to help them make sane decisions regarding their health. Maybe that's why they all post anonymously so we can't turn them over to DSS for their own protection.

Kevin_1000 said...

I certainly think that any autistic adults whose lives are significantly affected by autism to a degree that is detrimental to their own welfare or harmful to themselves, need and have a right to guardianship (if they are able to tolerate this),and the thought of my severely autistic son as he is, being left to lead an independant life without intervention or help from the DSS fills me with dread.

Fore Sam said...

Kevin;
According to neurodiversity, they should all be free to do whatever they want. I guess they don't care if severely autistic people just wander in front of trains or stick things into electrical outlets.
Do you think that neurodiversity is a front for Pharma or that people really are that stupid?

Kevin_1000 said...

Fore sam,

I'm just new to this 'neurodivirsity' but it seems to exclude severe or proufound autism, so in itself, it is a contradiction.

I would say because of this, a bit of both. Pharma certainly wouldn't try and discourage it.

Fore Sam said...

Kevin;
I've been trying to educate these people for awhile and they just don't seem capable of learning anything. Perhaps they are some of the unfortunate autistics who also have MR.
It's too bad the states don't have programs set up to make sure none of the ones who need guardianship don't slip through the cracks. If these people are legitimate, they need lots of help.

Nathzn said...

only 1-5% of ASDs are retarded, the same number also have savant skills

Fore Sam said...

Nat;
If that's true, how do you explain the high prevalence of it amongst neurodiversity?

Kevin_1000 said...

Nat,

Since you ignore the plight of severe or proufound autistics, how would you feel if people were to suggest dsylexia cannot be discerned from poor reading/spelling i.e. there is no such condition.

Nathzn said...

I would feel that your question is based on unfounded beliefs and makes no sense.

If you would like to hear from someone who has been diagnoised with LFA (i think) type in Amanda baggs autism rights on google and I'm sure you'll find her.

Kevin_1000 said...

Nat,

It's not a question. It's a statement, which some people happen to believe. Maybe you should spend your time trying to convince them otherwise rather than wasting your time here.

Nathzn said...

how would you feel is a question.

Nathzn said...

It's THEIR decision.

As it is actually their bodies/minds not their childs they have every right to decide.

Kevin_1000 said...

Nat,

It is a question.
oops, I do apologise, you're right. I can't always be right like you.

Dyslexia is also split into two camps. Those who belive it is a condition and those who don't. Try a google search.

Nathzn said...

Why are we on about Dyslexia, isn't the name of this blog about being Bigoted towards autism?

Nathzn said...

"I can't always be right like you."

Yes, will admitting it is the first step, soon you'll be able to come to terms with it

Kevin_1000 said...

Nat,

"bigoted towards autism"
You are in the wrong blog. It is about helping children with autism.

Kevin_1000 said...

Nat,

Come to terms with what?

Nathzn said...

with not being always right like me (your words not mine)

this blog is about: spurting hate talk in order to provoke an angry receation to engage in angry dialogue.

Nothing here is about helping autistics.