Friday, March 17, 2006

Train Wrecks of Neurodiversity

It is interesting that any organization would bother responding to the crazed rantings of neurodiverse wackos who try to harm autistic children. In the age of the internet where any wacko with a computer can publish lunacy, I suppose the wackos are more difficult to ignore than they were in the past when no decent newspaper would publish their drivel. What would have happened before the internet if some nut like Seidel had written to the MIND institute to complain about something they said? The answer is nothing. They would have had no need to respond to this sadist. They could just throw her letter in the trash and put her name on a list of undesirables with the security guards in case she tried to bother them in person.
Now we have the nut proudly displaying her letter from the supposedly offensive person and other nuts telling her what a good job she has done of being a pain in the ass. This nut thinks it is demeaning to autistic people to refer to them as train wrecks. So, she bothers people about the language and someone decides that the politically correct response should be a retraction and an apology for using an allegedly unkind description of autism. If I were running the organization, I may have done the same thing. I'd suggest sending a nice letter to shut the dumb broad up. Then, I'd keep using whatever term I felt like using.
Autism is a nightmare for everyone involved with it. It turns your whole life upside down. It is gut wrenching to think of your normal child trapped in the endless abyss that is autism. Wackos like Seidel think it is something to be celebrated. This wack job has a kid on the autistic spectrum and she advocates celebrating the news. I think she should be locked up for abusing her kid by not trying to help her. I can imagine what I would have thought of my parents if I broke my leg and they told me I should celebrate my differences rather than fixing the fracture. These nut job parents are going to get some horrible treatment from their kids when they get sent to the old folks home. It won't be long before everyone knows the truth about thimerosal and the AMA will have no choice but to help cure the damage they caused. Social Services will force wackos like Seidel to help her kid then. What will these kids think of their parents who took sides with the negligent criminals who poisoned them after they are cured? Will the kids forgive their parents stupidity or will they let them rot in the worst old folks home they can find?

102 comments:

Joseph said...

Fore sam, let me if I can summarize your post:

1. The internet sucks because it allows the expression of opinions contrary to my own.

2. Kathleen Siedel should not be allowed to speak out. The "dumb broad" should be shut up.

3. It is ok to refer to autistic kids as train wrecks. My own son, Sam, is a train wreck (in addition to having a rotting brain) and I probably let him know that on a regular basis.

4. Soon everyone will know "the truth" about thimerosal. (You're right about that - wait a week or two).

Fore Sam said...

Joe;
1. False
2. True
3. Was a train wreck. Now recovering and I let him know that we are getting the mercury out of his brain so he will someday be able to talk to us and tell people like Seidel what a fucking idiot she is.
4. True but it will take more than a couple of weeks.

jypsy said...

Mr. Best,
At what point will you be targeting my son the same way you are Ms. Siedel?

Joseph said...

John,

If your son does learn to read (maybe he knows already) I can assure you he'll be nothing but embarrased about your rants. Even other mercury/thimerosal parents appear to be embarrased by you. That's why they don't show up here. Even Sue M. has gone away.

Fore Sam said...

Jypsy;
I've already advised you several times that you should help your son.

jypsy (janet norman-bain) said...

That didn't answer my question.

Fore Sam said...

Joe;
He won't be embarrased at all. I'll teach him to call a spade a spade like I do. He'll learn that parents who refuse to help their kids overcome mercury poisoning are a bunch of nitwits. He'll learn to be completely intolerant of these nitwits who harm children with their nonsense.
Telling me that other "mercury parents" are embarrased by me is a good psychological ploy to try to get me to shut up. Unfortunately for you and Seidel, I don't fall for psychological ploys. Neurodiversity is nothing but a bunch of ignorant jerks who support the drug companies and rant against scientists who are trying to help us cure our kids. I'll continue to write in opposition to this insanity while I have the time to do so. I suspect, in this day and age, other younger parents who have been brought up in an age of being politically correct may not think it proper to to speak as forthrightly as I do. I don't care. I'm from a different generation that won't take crap from wack jobs. I don't think you'll find any of those parents who were opposed to my handing Seidel her head in the Concord Monitor.

Fore Sam said...

Jypsy;
Is your son going to start writing nonsense to annoy the people who are trying to cure autism?

jypsy said...

I'm sure he already has. Did you miss the piece about him in the Schafer
Autism Report?

Fore Sam said...

Jypsy;
I saw something about him running. I didn't see anything about him writing.

jypsy said...

PEI Roadrunners Ewen Stewart Inspirational Award

Here's the text:

(presented by Walter Lee, last year's winner)

I was very pleased when I was asked to announce the winner of this year's Ewen Stewart Inspiration Award. This award doesn't celebrate the fastest times or the most improved runner; rather, it celebrates and honours a club member who presents spirit, determination, guts, grit, and who inspires us all to be the best we can be.

To quote Alex Bain -- the winner of this year's Ewen Stewart Inspirational Award:
"Autism the boy is Alex Bain
Autism is happy and sad
I like Autism
Autism makes me different from my friends
That's OK"


Alex graduated from Bluefield High School in 2005 and won prizes for the highest marks in two of his courses and as well as an application prize.

As a runner, Alex was on the school Cross Country and Track and Field Team for three years. In 2004, he won the Award of Distinction for boys' cross country and another for top junior. Alex has also competed in a number of PEI Roadrunner races. In 2004, he placed 27th out of a field of over 400 runners in the half marathon and was named Rookie of the Year at the 2005 annual meeting.

Almost every weekend, for most of the year, Alex puts on his signature yellow t-shirt, heads to a road race on the Island, and runs for autism.

As his shirt says, he runs for autism, not against autism. Not to raise money to find a way to cure himself or his brother or his mom or prevent people like himself from ever being born, but just to raise awareness and acceptance. He's doing it.

Alex was also successful in raising over $550. in the Canadian Breast Cancer Foundation Run for the Cure. He crossed the finish line 9th out of the hundreds of runners in Charlottetown.

By facing, accommodating, tackling, and conquering many challenges and obstacles, Alex has inspired many and has proven himself to be a most worthy recipient of the Ewen Stewart Inspirational Runner Award.

Alex -- would you please come forward to accept your award.

Fore Sam said...

Jypsy;
It's interesting that he wants to help cure cancer but not autism. That's probably because he has an offbeat mother who thinks autism shouldn't be cured. Learning to live with it and doing the best he can is admirable. It's good for him that he says he is happy and has a positive attitude about it. It would be better for him if his mother would get her head out of her ass and let him learn that autism is curable so he would not have to go through life with a disability.

Joseph said...

It's interesting that he wants to help cure cancer but not autism. That's probably because he has an offbeat mother who thinks autism shouldn't be cured.

What's interesting is your inability to grasp something this simple.

jypsy said...

It's interesting that he wants to help cure cancer but not autism.

Why is that so interesting?

That's probably because he has an offbeat mother who thinks autism shouldn't be cured.

It's interesting that you blame me for his attitude and yet you don't blame my parents for mine or Michelle's parents for hers. Why are you treating him differently?

Learning to live with it and doing the best he can is admirable. It's good for him that he says he is happy and has a positive attitude about it.

He also says autism can be sad. But, he still likes it, it's still ok with him that he's different, and he still wants "acceptance not cure".

It would be better for him if his mother would get her head out of her ass and let him learn that autism is curable so he would not have to go through life with a disability.

Just what exactly qualifies me as having my head up my ass?

Are you saying I censor Alex, his reading or access to information in any way?

Fore Sam said...

Jypsy;
Nobody could blame your parents since no cure was available until a few years ago. Now that we know what causes autism, celebrating one's neurodiversity is just plain stupid.
What does your son have to do with Kathleen being a pain in the ass and bothering people who are trying to help autistic children?

jypsy said...

Just what exactly qualifies me as having my head up my ass?

Are you saying I censor Alex, his reading or access to information in any way?

Fore Sam said...

Jypsy;
I answered your question. If you don't like my answer. ask a different question.
Don't forget to explain why your son has anything to do with Kathleen being a pain in the ass.

Anonymous said...

Hey John,
Was Einstein a train wreck?

Anonymous said...

Fore Sam said...
Dagney;
Read the book about yourself and John.


John, try reading A book.

jypsy said...

is this:
Now that we know what causes autism, celebrating one's neurodiversity is just plain stupid.
the answer to
" Just what exactly qualifies me as having my head up my ass?"?

I see no answer to "Are you saying I censor Alex, his reading or access to information in any way?" -- could you please point it out to me?

As to your question " Don't forget to explain why your son has anything to do with Kathleen being a pain in the ass."

You said about Kathleen, when asked, that it is true that you believe
"Kathleen Siedel should not be allowed to speak out. The "dumb broad" should be shut up." You've said the same about Michelle Dawson. I don't understand the difference between their advocacy & Alex's.

Almost every weekend, for most of the year, Alex puts on his signature yellow t-shirt, heads to a road race on the Island, and runs for autism.

As his shirt says, he runs for autism, not against autism. Not to raise money to find a way to cure himself or his brother or his mom or prevent people like himself from ever being born, but just to raise awareness and acceptance.


And maybe more telling of what effect Alex's actions are having is the next line:

He's doing it.

We all advocate in our own way. I see very little difference between my son's advocacy work and Ms. Siedel's.

You don't seem to see it that way at all though. I'm really curious as to why.

I'm curious about my other unanswered questions too. Maybe I'll take Joseph's cue and start numbering my questions....

Fore Sam said...

Jypsy;
Ist question: Yes
2nd " " : I didn't say that. You inferred it. As a parent, you should be advising him about the fact that mercury is the most likely cause of his autism. You're not doing your job.
3rd " " : Big difference between raising awareness and spouting false information about the cause of autism and those who help kids. Your mention of preventing autistic kids from being born is further demonstrating your stupidity since no gene for autism has been found. That is just another absurd argument by neurodiverse idiots who want to exagerate the truth of the matter.
Your son's raising awareness is not advising parents to refuse to help their kids by lying to them about the treatments that help.

Sue M. said...

Joseph wrote:

"Even Sue M. has gone away".

- Not exactly, Joseph. I tend to stay away from conversations that become too negative though. It just seems to add fuel to the fire. Speaking of fires... I am of the opinion that Kathleen Seidel sort of represents the old idiom: Fiddle while Rome burns.

http://www.answers.com/fiddle%20while%20Rome%20burns

jypsy said...

2nd " " : I didn't say that. You inferred it.

I didn't infer anything, I asked for clarification.

Your mention of preventing autistic kids from being born is further demonstrating your stupidity since no gene for autism has been found.

That would be Alex's mention, not mine (in this instance). Quit blaming me for his words, attitude & opinions.

1) So I take it my son is now officially a "neurodiverse idiot who wants to exagerate the truth of the matter."?

My son is "advising" people to "accept not cure" autism. If I did that you'de call it "lying to them about the treatments that help." I fail to see the difference.
2) if there is a difference, please explain it.

Kev said...

"Unfortunately for you and Seidel, I don't fall for psychological ploys."

lol...you do nothing else you poor sap.

"I don't think you'll find any of those parents who were opposed to my handing Seidel her head in the Concord Monitor."

I particularly enjoyed your letter John. As I've said to you before, I don't think you have any idea of how indescribably badly you represent your side. People don't like racists, mysognists and homophobes who compare others kids to trained monkeys. Its nothing to do with political correctness John - its about respect. Thats why you don't like Kathleen or her letter. She has something you never will: class.

Fore Sam said...

Kevin;
Kathleen is a low life who lies about mercury and chelation and effectively harms children. You think she has class because she is a verbose pseudo intellectual who writes better than you. A dope like you probably thinks she is a true intellectual because you agree with the nonsense she writes.
Maybe you'll reach the level of those trained monkeys someday Kevin, and we can teach you to do the right thing for your daughter. You won't reach that level until you stop listening to dopes like Seidel. I'll just keep pointing out how ridiculous Seidel's position is in case some other morons who are a little smarter than you want to learn that they can cure their poisoned kids. Keep up the name calling, Kev. You're proving my point.

Fore Sam said...

Jypsy;
You're going to have to learn to write more clearly if you want your words interpreted correctly. If your son shares your warped views on autism, where did he learn them? It looks like poor parenting to me.

Kev said...

"Kathleen is a low life"

Is that better or worse than 'dumb broad'...hmmmm.

"who lies about mercury and chelation and effectively harms children."

What lies John? Kathleen says she's expressing her opinion. The only person I've ever seen on either side of teh debate who absolutely insists they're 100% right all the time is you.

Get this into your head: even if you are 100% right and thiomersal has caused every single case of autism ever in existence then referring to people as 'train wrecks' is still disrespectful and misleading. It doesn't surprise me in the least that you don't get that.

"You think she has class because she is a verbose pseudo intellectual who writes better than you."

She's definitely a better writer than me but she's no psuedo intellectual John - she's the real thing.

"Maybe you'll reach the level of those trained monkeys someday Kevin,"

John, you can abuse me as much as you like. I take your insults as compliments :o)

However, when you insult my daughter as you have numerous times by comparing her to a trained monkey then you cross the line. I hope very much to meet you one day so I can explain to you personally how little I think of cowards who call autistic 6 year old girls names.

"I'll just keep pointing out how ridiculous Seidel's position is"

lol...is that what you believe you're doing? Cool - please, carry on. Like I say, I consider it an opportunity every time you open your mouth. More and more people are exposed to the thinking of a 'man' like yourself. A true credit to Generation Rescue.

"Keep up the name calling, Kev. You're proving my point."

What names? What point?

jypsy (janet norman-bain) said...

If your son shares your warped views on autism, where did he learn them?

My son is autistic. His views on the subjecy are far more valid than yours.

Fore Sam said...

Kevin;
"Train Wrecks" is not a slur on the person but a comment about the effects of mercury. Wake up!
Your comment about explaining something to me personally sounds like another neurodiverse threat of violence. Another reflection on your intelligence, Kev.
True intellectuals have no need to rant ad infinitum with half-truths to sway people to their deranged way of looking at something. Kathleen is out of her league here.

Fore Sam said...

Janet;
Your son has mercury in his brain and doesn't even know it. That makes his position invalid.

jypsy (janet norman-bain) said...

Your son has mercury in his brain and doesn't even know it.

It is only your opinion that " Your son has mercury in his brain"

It's not that he "doesn't even know it", it's that he, like many people, doesn't agree with your opinion. his position is based on his opinion, as is yours.
Definitions of position:
- a rationalized mental attitude
- side: an opinion that is held in opposition to another in an argument or dispute

You have just "invalidated" the opinions and positions of everyone diagnosed autistic, including your own son based on your own opinion.

How will you know when you have every speck of mercury out of your son's brain and he'll be competent enough to hold a valid opinion and position. Will you test him for mercury then?

Anonymous said...

Jypsy says...
"That would be Alex's mention, not mine (in this instance). Quit blaming me for his words, attitude & opinions".

In this case, you are highlighting your sons words by pointing them out every 5 seconds. It is of course your attitude and opinions.

Kev said...

""Train Wrecks" is not a slur on the person but a comment about the effects of mercury. Wake up!"

Don't be obtuse Johh, you're not cute enough for that. Rollens repeatdenly said that missing them was like missing train wrecks.

Your comment about explaining something to me personally sounds like another neurodiverse threat of violence. Another reflection on your intelligence, Kev.

Right. Or maybe you're so hung up on your machismo you can't imagine any interaction with another human being without it degenerating into violence. As it is, I'd merely like to look you in the eye and have you repeat your disgraceful insults about my daughter to my face.

True intellectuals have no need to rant ad infinitum with half-truths to sway people to their deranged way of looking at something.

What half truths John? Add that to the many many questions I keep asking you such as 'what slander?' when you accused me of slandering you. Or 'what names?', when you accussed me of calling you names....etc etc ad nauseum.

Kathleen is out of her league here.

She just got an apology from MIND and personally from Rick Rollens and you suggest she's out of her league? Get a grip on reality John, just this once.

Fore Sam said...

Jypsy;
Your son is operating under the obsolete notion that there is no known cause or cure for autism. Since we did not have proof that mercury was the cause of the autism epidemic until 2003, you are not to blame for fostering this attitude until then. If you were a decent parent, you would address this issue now instead of hanging on to false beliefs that are still perpetrated on us by those who will not admit their error. Your opinion has been invalidated but you aren't sharp enough to understand that.

Fore Sam said...

Kevin;
Read this post again so you can understand why the dumb broad received an apology. Then ask yourself about the intelligence of someone who takes that personal correspondence and waves it around like a victory banner. I guess she's proud to say that she got a letter that, to me, said "Shut up and don't bother me, dumb broad".
Mr Rollens was accurate in his use of the term "Train Wreck". The injuries suffered by those in a train wreck do not reflect poorly on the passengers. They do reflect poorly on the unsafe conditions that caused the wreck. In this case, that unsafe condition is the fact that Eli Lilly never tested thimerosal properly.
You don't have the brains to debate any parent who is curing their child of mercury poisoning, Kevin. If you did, you'd be helping your daughter instead of taking sides with wackos who agree with the people who poisoned our kids.

Kev said...

Read this post again so you can understand why the dumb broad received an apology.

Are you saying that you know what MIND and Rick Rollens are thinking? Is that an official position of Rick Rollens? Or are you once more simply projecting your own fantasies onto someone else?

Then ask yourself about the intelligence of someone who takes that personal correspondence and waves it around like a victory banner. I guess she's proud to say that she got a letter that, to me, said "Shut up and don't bother me, dumb broad".

Thats right John - says it to you. Nobody else. To everyone else it says that Kathleen, far from being dumb, discovered something that offended a lot of people and went out and fought for those people. The world could do with more respect in it. You're living testimony to that.

The injuries suffered by those in a train wreck do not reflect poorly on the passengers. They do reflect poorly on the unsafe conditions that caused the wreck.

Once more John, he didn't refer to those in a train wreck, he referred to autistic people as being train wrecks. When you can discern the distinction then you can chastise a percieved injustice. As it is you're ranting about something obviously beyond your comprehension.

You don't have the brains to debate any parent who is curing their child of mercury poisoning, Kevin.

I do it everyday John. I've asked you, JB, Lenny Schafer, David Kirby questions at various times and all of you bluster for a bit and then go quiet. You've been proven wrong about so many things I've lost track. No autism before 1931. Wrong. No autismm in China before 1999? Wrong. Do you want me to go on? Whatever, I don't suppose this comment will make it past your delete button.

If you did, you'd be helping your daughter.

I help her by standing up for her against people like you who feel her efforts and worth are comparable to a trained monkey.

Fore Sam said...

Kevin;
You are employing the same inane strategy of trying to twist my words as if what I say has anything to do with what Mr Rollens thinks. That's typical for you as you are grasping at every straw you can find to knock those who help poisoned kids.
The "Train Wreck" comment did not offend a LOT of people. I don't think it offended anyone. The dumb broad just wanted to use it in her deranged quest to discredit those who help poisoned kids. It has nothing to do with respect, bonehead. It has only to do with the stupidity of Neurodiversity and a few wackos who are being a pain in the ass to decent parents who are helping their kids.
Once more John, he didn't refer to those in a train wreck, he referred to autistic people as being train wrecks.
You're nitpicking here, Kev. Once again, this manner of arguing is showing off your low IQ.
You have not proven there was any autism prior to 1931 and you have also not shown there was more than a few rare cases of autism in China. You may have shown that I should have used the term "virtually no autism" when talking about China but it's just more stupid nitpicking from one who is fighting a losing battle to justify letting his daughter rot in the abyss of autism.
Another stupid attempt to twist my words regarding your daughter doesn't help your position. Your deranged idea that you are standing up to me isn't helping your daughter recover from mercury poisoning.

jypsy (janet norman-bain) said...

The M.I.N.D. Institute believes "autism is a group of disorders rather than a single disorder -- several autisms versus one autism."

Do you agree or disagree Mr. Best?

Fore Sam said...

Jypsy;
Did you mean several types of autism or several autisms? I don't know how autism could be plural and I know how specific you are so I want to make sure I only have to answer your question once and not fifty times.

Kev said...

"You are employing the same inane strategy of trying to twist my words as if what I say has anything to do with what Mr Rollens thinks."

You know John, you say that so often to so many people - 'you're twisting my words'. Nobody twists your words John, they emerge already twisted.

In your previous comment you said: Read this post again so you can understand why the dumb broad received an apology.

Which clearly indicates that you have an insight into the way Rollens' mind works. I'll ask you again - do you? Or was that statement merely more projection?

"The "Train Wreck" comment did not offend a LOT of people. I don't think it offended anyone."

Wrong on both counts.

"You're nitpicking here, Kev. Once again, this manner of arguing is showing off your low IQ."

Its not nitpicking John, its what he said: Hell, you even repeated it yourself in your post:

This nut thinks it is demeaning to autistic people to refer to them as train wrecks

As train wrecks John. Not in train wrecks. Its frankly embarrassing to have to point out your own words to you.

You have not proven there was any autism prior to 1931

No, thats right I haven't. I merely have my own anecdotal evidence of my own family - exactly the same as you have to 'prove' your point. Oh and that pesky matter of two scientists independantly establishing autisms existence prior to 1900 - they proved it John, not me. Do you know who authored the second paper John? Paul Shattock. Heard the name? He's a big fan of Andrew Wakefields. He's even done some work for Thoughtful House. So he's part of your belief system - are you saying he's wrong? If so, what else could he be wrong about?

and you have also not shown there was more than a few rare cases of autism in China.

But that not what you claimed John. You claimed there was no autism in China prior to 1999. As ever you let your mouth get ahead of your brain.

Another stupid attempt to twist my words regarding your daughter doesn't help your position. Your deranged idea that you are standing up to me isn't helping your daughter recover from mercury poisoning.

I told you about the skills my daughter had established on the PC and you said a monkey could be trained to use a computer. Please explain to me how I'm twisting your words. As I've already said, your words emerge pre-twisted John.

jypsy (janet norman-bain) said...

Mr. Best,

I don't mean anything, that was a quote from a HealthNewsDigest.com story:

Largest Biomedical Assessment of Children with Autism Launched
HealthNewsDigest.com - March 13, 2006
(HealthNewsDigest.com).. SACRAMENTO, Calif. -- Multidisciplinary
teams of physicians and scientists at the University of California,
Davis, M.I.N.D. Institute have launched the nations most
comprehensive assessment of children with autism to detect the
biological and behavioral patterns that define subtypes of the
disorder.

Called the Autism Phenome Project, the large-scale, longitudinal
study will enroll 1,800 children -- 900 with autism, 450 with
developmental delay and 450 who are typically developing -- who will
undergo a thorough medical evaluation in addition to systematic
analyses of their immune systems, brain structures and functions,
genetics, environmental exposures and blood proteins. Children will
be 2 to 4 years old when they begin participating in the study, and
their development will continue to be evaluated over the course of
several years. The first phase of the research is funded by the UC
Davis M.I.N.D. Institute and philanthropic donations.

Children with autism clearly are not all the same, said David G.
Amaral, research director of the UC Davis M.I.N.D. Institute and co-
director of the project. The tremendous variation leads us to
believe that autism is a group of disorders rather than a single
disorder -- several autisms versus one autism.
We are determined to
provide the specific biomedical and behavioral criteria that
accurately define distinct subtypes.

Same question - do you agree or disagree with their premise?

jypsy (janet norman-bain) said...

Mr. Best, you said
If you were a decent parent, you would address this issue now instead of hanging on to false beliefs that are still perpetrated on us by those who will not admit their error. Your opinion has been invalidated but you aren't sharp enough to understand that.

1) So then are you not now holding my parents (and Ms. Dawson's etc) to this standard of not being decent parents?

You said
"Nobody could blame your parents since no cure was available until a few years ago. Now that we know what causes autism, celebrating one's neurodiversity is just plain stupid."

But it seems if you are blaming me as Alex's parent you must also blame my parents for being equally "stupid" (your words, not mine).
2) Do you blame my parents now?
3) Why or why not?

Anonymous said...

Hey John,
Was Einstein a train wreck?

Anonymous said...

Hey John,
Was Einstein a train wreck?

Anonymous said...

Hey John,
Was Einstein a train wreck?

Fore Sam said...

Jypsy;
Should I respond to you or Health News Digest? I don't want to be chastised for responding to the wrong place. You should get these things straight the first time so we can avoid all the runaround.

Anonymous said...

Hey John,
Was Einstein a train wreck?

Anonymous said...

Hey John,
Was Einstein a train wreck?

Anonymous said...

Hey John,
Was Einstein a train wreck?

Fore Sam said...

Jypsy;
I think you're well past the age where you should expect anything from your parents. We already know you're a substandard parent. Are you a substandard daughter too?

Fore Sam said...

Anonymous;
Einstein was not autistic. Autism had not yet been invented when he was born.

Fore Sam said...

Kevin;
Were you offended by the "Train Wreck" comment? Give me your address so I can send you a crying towel.
You can use the towel to cry about the difference between IN train wrecks or AS train wrecks while you conveniently ignore the rest of what I said. It's really a waste of my time to talk to you. I hope for your kid's sake you smarten up someday soon.

jypsy (janet norman-bain) said...

I first asked if you agreed with the MIND Institute. You couldn't understand their terminology. So I gave you more context from where I was quoting.

Let's try again - HERE on the MIND Institute's website you can read their full story "UC DAVIS M.I.N.D. INSTITUTE LAUNCHES LARGEST BIOMEDICAL ASSESSMENT OF CHILDREN WITH AUTISM - Autism Phenome Project aims to redefine autism by identifying distinct subtypes"

Now, their premise is (as I stated) "autism is a group of disorders rather than a single disorder -- several autisms versus one autism."

Do you agree or disagree (with the MIND Institute) Mr. Best?

jypsy (janet norman-bain) said...

Mr. Best, you said
"
I think you're well past the age where you should expect anything from your parents. We already know you're a substandard parent. Are you a substandard daughter too?


Could you please number your answers to go with my numbered questions? Could you also try to answer with answers, not questions.

Fore Sam said...

Jypsy;
I guess I'm not capable of understanding the term "several autisms". If it were several types of autism, I could answer your question. Sorry.

Fore Sam said...

Jypsy;
Regarding your post at 2:16 PM, in this case I have to ask for clarification so the answer is a question. Sorry, it wasn't numnbered. I hope you can figure it out by the time.

Anonymous said...

FS: Einstein was not autistic. Autism had not yet been invented when he was born.

He had structural and cellular differences in his brain that are found in persons with autism.

Like persons with autism, no evidence of mercury poisoning or "rotting brain" as you like to say.

Today he would be diagnosed as autistic as a child and considered recovered by DAN! He was autistic. Sorry

Fore Sam said...

Hey Kevin;
Get that address to me soon. My wife bought too many bananas so I'll send some for your daughter when I send the crying towel.

Hugh Jorgain said...

Fore Sam: My wife bought too many bananas

Maybe if you were able to satisfy her like a man, she wouldn't need the bananas.

jypsy (janet norman-bain) said...

Sorry,
Re: my 2:16 post...
I thought your 1:56 post (repeated in 2:16 post) was your "answer" to my 1:48 post.

If I'm wrong, could you:
A) answer the numbered questions in my 1:48 post and
b) explain the significance of your 1:56 post.

jypsy (janet norman-bain) said...

Jypsy;
I guess I'm not capable of understanding the term "several autisms". If it were several types of autism, I could answer your question. Sorry.


Sorry you could't read that 1 page news release. I think the understanding would have become clearer for you.

“Our goal is to identify specific types of autism and develop a database of biomedical information that can be shared with the worldwide community of autism scientists. This is crucial to refining our understanding of autism and to developing targeted treatments for a specific 'type' of autism as early as possible so children can reach their fullest potential.”

It's obvious they are talking about identifying "several types of autism".

If you can agree that that is what they are saying (you need not take my word for it, please read the release and if you want more info, if it's still not clear to you, I'll search) can you now answer my question?

Fore Sam said...

Anonymous;
He wasn't autistic, he was just very smart. No autistic person could reach that level because the mercury would interfere.

Fore Sam said...

Jypsy;
If I responded to the article instead of your question, I wouldn't have been answering your question and I would have left myself open to your ridicule. I think Wakefield could be right and TAAP could also be right. That's my answer. But, the major cause is mercury.

Fore Sam said...

Jypsy;
I answered your 1:48 post at 1:58. No, I don't feel like answering in your format.

Anonymous said...

Froe Sam: He wasn't autistic, he was just very smart. No autistic person could reach that level because the mercury would interfere.

Actually, mercury poisoning affects motor function before intelligence, but it's irrelevant since autism isn't mercury poisoning.

Einstein's brain didn't work right, by your definition. It worked better.

He had a higher glial cell to neuron ratio than most, something that would make him both mercury poisoned and autistic according to folks like Burbacher and the mercury parents. Physical similarities found in today's autistics yet he was born before thimerosal.

What say you Genius?

Fore Sam said...

Anonymous;
Do you have a study to support your claim as to glial cells in the rest of the population? Where did you find this info. on Einstein? Mercury poisoning and autism are the same thing so you've already discredited yourself while you hide in anonymity so you don't have to back up your claims. I say it's all bullshit until you at least have the guts to tell us who you are.

Anonymous said...

Sure John,
Anything you don't understand or disagree with? Bullshit. No problem. Maybe I'll blog about it in the next day or so and you can decide for your self.

jypsy (janet norman-bain) said...

If I responded to the article instead of your question, I wouldn't have been answering your question and I would have left myself open to your ridicule.

Where and when have I ever ridiculed you?

It's not an "article", it's a news release on a study being done by the MIND Institute based on their premise that there is more than one type of autism. I simply asked if you agreed with them on that point or not.

I think Wakefield could be right and TAAP could also be right. That's my answer.

I didn't ask about Wakefield or TAAP, I asked about the MIND Institute.

That is no answer at all.

But, the major cause is mercury.

The "major" cause or the only cause?

I answered your 1:48 post at 1:58. No, I don't feel like answering in your format.

No you didn't. You said:
I think you're well past the age where you should expect anything from your parents. We already know you're a substandard parent. Are you a substandard daughter too?

I should expect if I'm abusing my children my parents would tell me. I should expect if I'm ruining my life my parents would tell me. My folks (my father is dead now) care(d) very much about me & their grandchildren. My parents are far from stupid people, far from substandard parents.

No, I'm not a substandard daughter. Either.

So what's the magic age where unconditional love should no longer be expected from one's parents? Care & Concern? Sharing & wisdom? Advice...?

Fore Sam said...

Anonymous;
Great! Then we'll know who you are. That may make conversation possible. Be sure to let me know where I can find it.

Fore Sam said...

Jypsy;
At your advanced age, you should be looking out for your mother. She shouldn't have to make deciaions for you anymore.

Kev said...

Get that address to me soon. My wife bought too many bananas so I'll send some for your daughter when I send the crying towel.

Nice. You say I twisted your words about my daughter into an insult and then prove me right by further insulting her.

Does it give you a nice warm glow of satisfaction to ridicule a six year old girl?

This still your phone number by the way?

Fore Sam said...

Kev;
You're the one who compared your daughter to a monkey, not me. I'm not ridiculing her. I'm ridiculing her father who won't help her.

Kev said...
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Kev said...

"You're the one who compared your daughter to a monkey, not me."

"My wife bought too many bananas so I'll send some for your daughter."

"I'm not ridiculing her."

Yes you are John. Only you could possibly think that saying something like the above about a 6 year old girl is either acceptable or not ridiculing her.

"I'm ridiculing her father who won't help her."

You mean won't chelate her. Which is true. And your ridicule of me is absolutely fine - I'm an adult, I don't give a crap what you think of me.

But you stepped over a line here John. You purposefully and maliciously ridiculed a 6 year old autistic girl. You are supposed to be a grown adult. I don't know of any adult in this debate on either side of this debate who would stoop so very low.

Time and time again John what you do is lash out with insults and invective. I geniunely admire the patience of people who try and debate you but I've been there and done that and I realise how utterly futile it is. I also realise that you are just not set up with an ability to reason or debate.

So I continue to draw you out. I was thrilled when I found out you'd started a blog. I was happy because I can't think of a better way to expose the thought processes of a Generation Rescue Rescue Angel.

Your blog is now part of the permanent record of the web John. Your thoughts and insults towards autistics and in this case one six year old girl are now part of Google's cache. You can delete the whole damn blog if you like and that record will still be there :o)

Every blog you comment on. Every letter you write to an editor. Every online conference you attend - I'll make sure people find this site and your thoughts on autistic people and how they are comparable to trained monkeys with rotting brains, how homosexuality is a perversion which can be cure with self-respect, how Muslims are equatable to terrorists, how women are inferior to men. I'll make sure that they know you operate under the banner of Generation Rescue.

Thank you John - you handed me a weapon beyond measure: your own twisted opinions :o)

jypsy (janet norman-bain) said...

At your advanced age, you should be looking out for your mother. She shouldn't have to make deciaions for you anymore.

I never said anything about "decisions".
But you know that.
I think you're just incapable of answering simple questions.

Fore Sam said...

Kevin;
How juvenile of you, Kev. One good thing about your stupidity is that if your daughter learns to read, she'll be able to see how idiotic her father was in refusing to help her. It's good of you to make a permanent record of how Neurodiversity sides with the drug companies in continuing to harm babies.

Kev said...

"How juvenile of you, Kev."

No John, juvenile is a grown man ridiculing a 6 year old girl.

"One good thing about your stupidity is that if your daughter learns to read, she'll be able to see how idiotic her father was in refusing to help her."

You're displaying that keen sense of logic we know so well John. Tell me, as I'm not 'helping' (by which I assume you mean chelating) my daughter in your opinion, how will she ever learn to read?

As it is, we're pretty sure she can read. She has about 20 or 30 bookmarks, all with text labels in her Firefox profile and knows exactly what each one is - and how to add more, and how to delete ones she doesn't like anymore. It would be next to impossible to do that without some reading skills.

I'll put my teaching and helping methods up against yours (the only thing I've ever heard you say you've taught your son is not to be 'a pussy') any day.

"It's good of you to make a permanent record of how Neurodiversity sides with the drug companies in continuing to harm babies."

Show me one place on my blog that I say I approve of thiomersal being in vaccines. I can show you lots of palces where I state I'm glad its not in there anymore and that it was a good idea to remove it.

But thanks for copying what I said. Just like Sue, I'll think you now as mini-me :o)

Fore Sam said...

Kevin;
Remember, it was you, typically twisting my words to call your own daughter a monkey. As usual, you cry like a baby when your words come back to haunt you.
You said
Show me one place on my blog that I say I approve of thiomersal being in vaccines. I can show you lots of palces where I state I'm glad its not in there anymore and that it was a good idea to remove it.

How genuine of you, Kev. You think it's a good idea to remove it from vaccines but not from your daughter's brain. Do you see the fallacy in your logic?
And, Wack job, I'm just one guy who, in the grand scheme of things, doesn't matter worth a damn but your preserving the idiocy of Neurodiversity and all the idiotic comments from the Neurodiverse tribe is a good thing so people can see the stupidity we have had to deal with to help children.

Kev said...

"Remember, it was you, typically twisting my words to call your own daughter a monkey."

These are your words: "My wife bought too many bananas so I'll send some for your daughter."

Tell me again how I'm twisting your words.

"How genuine of you, Kev. You think it's a good idea to remove it from vaccines but not from your daughter's brain. Do you see the fallacy in your logic?"

Get it into that head of yours John - being glad that its not in vaccines anymore and thinking it causes autism are two very different things. Only someone with your inability to discern nuances would fail to get that.

"And, Wack job, I'm just one guy who, in the grand scheme of things, doesn't matter worth a damn"

Well on one level thats very true - you aren't worth a damn - but on another level you're a member in good standing of Generation Rescue and whether you like it or not you are a very very visible part of how its percieved. I'll be doing my part to keep that association going. I doubt you're the only one in GR who thinks the way you do, you're just the only one who can't keep his mouth under control. Well, you and JB anyway :o)

"but your preserving the idiocy of Neurodiversity and all the idiotic comments from the Neurodiverse tribe is a good thing"

Well, apart from the idiocy bit, we agree - I think its a good thing that the future generation of autistic adults will know that there are parents out there who love them just as they are and who don't want to guinea pig them with chelation or Lupron or Gold Salts or Clay baths or whatever witless thing DAN! comes up with next.

Fore Sam said...

Kevin;
As you are well aware, your word twisting was done previously. Your selective amnesia lets you forget that.
Enlighten us why you think it's a good idea to remove thimerosal from vaccines if it doesn't cause autism. Why bother if it doesn't cause any harm? Would you like to see a different untested preservative used that might cause different problems? Will you try to prevail upon us with Orac's illogic that chelation cures mertcury poisoning but not autism in spite of the fact that autistic kids are being cured with it? Will you cite some other wack jobs idiotic assertion that we can't be sure chelation is helping because we haven't controlled for natural improvement in kids who never improved in spite of years of behavioral interventions? Come on moron, show us how smart you are.
GR is helping children while knuckleheads from neurodiversity are effectively advising parents to do nothing to help them and throw them into institutions when they grow too large to handle. The parents who help their kids are the ones who love them, simpleton. The ones who refuse to help their kids are, effectively, child abusers like you. So, thanks again for preserving that.

Anonymous said...

I find this amusing Fore Sam vs neurodiversity camp. If the neurodiversity camp's children are not high functioning, do you think they will say what they said? Let time heal the children? Bull shit.

Kev said...

"As you are well aware, your word twisting was done previously. Your selective amnesia lets you forget that."

So remind me. Remind me where I insulted my own daughter. If its not on this blog, post links.

"Enlighten us why you think it's a good idea to remove thimerosal from vaccines if it doesn't cause autism."

Because mercury's not a good thing to be in anybody's body. I have no arguement with you there. Trouble is John that autism causes very specific differences. None of those differences turn up in the literature for mercury poisoning.

"Would you like to see a different untested preservative used that might cause different problems?"

What problems has thiomersal caused? I require documented proof as an answer, not just your opinions.

Removing something as a precuation and to raise confidence in a ailing vaccine program is simply the best move.

"Will you try to prevail upon us with Orac's illogic that chelation cures mertcury poisoning but not autism in spite of the fact that autistic kids are being cured with it?"

Yes. This is because I've seen no evidence of children being cured with it. I hear you and JB talk about thousands of kids being recovered but I see no evidence of this at all - its merely your words.

"GR is helping children"

Last year, 2 kids died from chelation. One child had a 12 days stay in hospital due to vitamin A poisoning and one child suffered another form of poisoning although I can't remember exactly what it was.

Some DAN! Doctors recommend ayurvedic medicines. Guess whats in these medicines? Thats right - Mercury. Oh, and Lead.

Thats what GR push. Medicine based on nothing more than belief.

"neurodiversity are effectively advising parents to do nothing to help them and throw them into institutions when they grow too large to handle."


Really? Show me where thats happened. Otherwise I might be tempted to believe you simply made it up.

"The parents who help their kids are the ones who love them, simpleton."

No argument there. Whats 'love' to you John - hitting a child? Teaching it how to 'be a man' by encouraging it to fight you?

Sue M. said...

Kev wrote:

"Removing something as a precuation and to raise confidence in a ailing vaccine program is simply the best move".

- This is interesting, Kev. Both here and on your blog you have very recently started pushing the need for the vaccine rates to improve, etc. You all of the sudden seem very concerned with this. Now, that's not to say that you haven't had those feelings previously (I imagine you have). I do wonder, however, if this sudden vocal concern for the "ailing vaccine program" has anything to do with the fact that you are finally realizing that even you can no longer defend the indefensible (thimerosal in vaccines). Things to ponder...

Fore Sam said...

Kev;
I believe you first insulted your daughter in the post I deleted. Since you saved everything I wrote, it shouldn't be a problem for you to find it.
Almost all symptoms of autism are in the Bernard paper, Kev. It's good to see you agree that mercury is not a good thing to be in anybody's body. So why do you leave it in your daughter's body? Why were you so stupid to let it be put there in the first place, Kev? Why didn't you take precautions to protect her? Why don't you listen to the doctors who admit that their profession screwed up? You just said you agree with the doctors who know it shouldn't be put into kids yet you advocate leaving it in the body? Does that sound intelligent to you, Kev? Why don't you ask your daughter what she thinks about having poison in her brain?
You said: "Removing something as a precuation and to raise confidence in a ailing vaccine program is simply the best move."
So, raising confidence in vaccines is more important than protecting kids from the damage caused by vaccines? That doesn't make much sense since the immune system becomes stronger by fighting off annoying things like Rubella, Chicken Pox and Mumps that really don't cause any harm. You've heard all of the proof. You just opt to deny it because you have fallen in with wackos who want to harm children to protect the drug industry.
You haven't seen evidence of kids being cured because you haven't looked. Why don't you take JB's offer to pay for testing your kid and fly over here where you can meet some cured kids for yourself? Calling us liars because you have your head buried in the sand is not a valid argument.
Were the two kids who died advised by anyone from GR? I doubt it. Those were simply more malpractice using the wrong chelators. I can't speak for everyone in GR but I don't advise anyone to try Ayurvedic medicine. GR has not been affilaited with any deaths. Your knocking GR just says to me that you want to see autistic kids remain rotting in the abyss like your daughter. You and Neurodiversity are sending kids to the institutions by telling parents not to help the kids. I'd be violating privacy if I gave you the names of kids I know in the institutions. They are there because idiots like yourself perpetuate the false notion that autism can not be cured.
Perhaps you can teach your daughter to swing from tree to tree but leaving the mercury in her brain won't help her to emerge from autism.
I've tried to teach my son many things. He's been unresponsive to most attempts. Since chelation started, he has begun to respond to some teaching. Being a primal instinct in those of us who aren't pussies like you, fighting happened to be one of the first things he took to.

Kev said...

"This is interesting, Kev. Both here and on your blog you have very recently started pushing the need for the vaccine rates to improve, etc. You all of the sudden seem very concerned with this. Now, that's not to say that you haven't had those feelings previously (I imagine you have)."

So are you saying its recent or not? Cut the waffle. Or let me answer - its not recent, I've always been concerned about it.

_"you are finally realizing that even you can no longer defend the indefensible (thimerosal in vaccines)."_

If you can show me one place on my blog where I've defended thiomersal being in vaccines then you'd have some validity. I don't know why you do this. You know full well I've never said anything other than its a good thing its not in vaccines any more. Its a neuro-toxin. If vaccines can be manufactured just as well without it - then do that.

What neither of you seem capable of grasping is that knowing thiomersal is a neurotoxin, opining that its a good idea for it not to be present in vaccines and believing without a shred of evidence that it causes autism are all very different things.

Kev said...

"I believe you first insulted your daughter in the post I deleted."

lol...how convenient.

Since you saved everything I wrote, it shouldn't be a problem for you to find it.

I haven't saved anything you wrote. Where the hell did you get that idea? If you're referring to the fact that Google cache's everything on the internet, then go search Googles cache to find it. Or admit you made it up.

Almost all symptoms of autism are in the Bernard paper, Kev.

OK, so list them and list their equivalents in the autistic diagnostic criteria.

It's good to see you agree that mercury is not a good thing to be in anybody's body. So why do you leave it in your daughter's body?

Because its not doing any harm. Once again, please try and grasp the differences between a theoretical risk and real harm.

"Why were you so stupid to let it be put there in the first place, Kev? Why didn't you take precautions to protect her?"

Protect her from what?

Why don't you listen to the doctors who admit that their profession screwed up? You just said you agree with the doctors who know it shouldn't be put into kids yet you advocate leaving it in the body? Does that sound intelligent to you, Kev? Why don't you ask your daughter what she thinks about having poison in her brain?

Absolutely none of the above makes any sense whatsoever.

"So, raising confidence in vaccines is more important than protecting kids from the damage caused by vaccines?"

What damage?

"like Rubella, Chicken Pox and Mumps that really don't cause any harm."

Rubella's implicated as a cause of autism John. Mumps can cause sterility. Measles, chicken pox and whooping cough can kill. It amazes me how poorly informed you are.

"You've heard all of the proof."

What proof?

"You haven't seen evidence of kids being cured because you haven't looked...Calling us liars because you have your head buried in the sand is not a valid argument."

But you regularly call 'the neurodiverse' liars. I guess thats different. Well, in your little world anyway.

Here's the truth Johnny - if any of you had actually 'cured' anyone it would be front page news all over the world. Its not.

"Were the two kids who died advised by anyone from GR?"

One was advised by some using the DAN! protocol - a protocol I believe GR push.

"I can't speak for everyone in GR but I don't advise anyone to try Ayurvedic medicine."

DAN! Doctors do.

"I'd be violating privacy if I gave you the names of kids I know in the institutions. They are there because idiots like yourself perpetuate the false notion that autism can not be cured."

lol...nice cop out John. By contrast, I can give you the names of several people diagnosed as low functioning as kids who progressed nicely. Would you like to hear them?

"Perhaps you can teach your daughter to swing from tree to tree"

Another 'monkey' allusion John? What a fine upstanding man you are.

"I've tried to teach my son many things."

What? How to duck? How to dodge a fist? How to run away from a kick?

"He's been unresponsive to most attempts. Since chelation started, he has begun to respond to some teaching."

Good for him. Conversely, my daughters making good progress without any of that voodoo.

"Being a primal instinct in those of us who aren't pussies like you, fighting happened to be one of the first things he took to."

Self preservation is a natural instinct John. I'd wager he had no choice in the matter.

Fore Sam said...

Kevin;
You called me a liar, again.
You want me to list a paper that you already read.
You agree mercury should be removed from vaccines yet persist in claiming it isn't doing any harm to your abnormal kid.
You say doctors who admit they screwed up don't make any sense. Of course, you know more than those doctors which is evidenced by your kid's inability to talk.
You claim rubella's implicated as a cause of autism but neglect to mention that that is only if the mother has it. You claim mumps can cause sterility but neglect to mention that that only happens in adults. You claim measles and whooping cough can kill as opposition to my statement that purposely left out measles and whooping cough, thereby twisting my words agin.
You call chelation voodoo and claim your kid's making good progress without it but your 6 year old still can't talk. That's not normal, Kev. That's not good progress.
You had one item accurate, Kev. Self-preservation is a natural instinct. The mercury prevented my son from being able to use that natural instinct the way all kids do when you tickle them or tease them in teaching them how to defend themselves. He never fought back until some of the mercury was removed.
Your whole argument here is just foolishness.

Kev said...

"You called me a liar, again."

Well, stop lying then John. Simple.

"You want me to list a paper that you already read."

Nooo, I want you to list the points of comparison between mercury poisoning and autism. Nothing difficult to understand there is there?

"You agree mercury should be removed from vaccines yet persist in claiming it isn't doing any harm to your abnormal kid."

My daughter isn't abnormal but other than that - correct.

"You say doctors who admit they screwed up don't make any sense."

No, I said you don't make any sense.

"Of course, you know more than those doctors"

Whereas you don't claim to know better than any Doctor, right John? Paul Offit - you know better than him? Paul Shattock? You know better than him? Orac? You know better than him?

"which is evidenced by your kid's inability to talk."

As I already told you, she's starting - slowly - but to be honest - I don't care if she never talks. As long as she can communicate effectively, that'll do me.

"You claim rubella's implicated as a cause of autism but neglect to mention that that is only if the mother has it. You claim mumps can cause sterility but neglect to mention that that only happens in adults."

Er...so?

"You claim measles and whooping cough can kill as opposition to my statement that purposely left out measles and whooping cough, thereby twisting my words agin."

Oh, I see - so you are only concerned about vaccination against Rubella, Chicken Pox and Mumps? You have no problem with vaccines for measles, diptheria, tetanus, flu etc etc. Good for you John! Progress!

"You call chelation voodoo and claim your kid's making good progress without it but your 6 year old still can't talk. That's not normal, Kev. That's not good progress."

I don't give a crap if its normal or not :o) - we're all aware of what your definition of normal is - heterosexual, white, christian, male.....ever read Mein Kampf John? Your 'normal' should be avoided like the plague. And yes, she's progressing just fine. I realise that must grate on you - teh thought of an unchelated autistic person making good progress but - deal with it.

"He never fought back until some of the mercury was removed."

You're a genuinely disturbing individual John. Seriously.

"Your whole argument here is just foolishness"

As I keep saying - to be thought a fool by you is one of the best compliments I could possibly have :o)

Thank you :o)

PS: John - planning on answering any of the questions I asked? No? What a surprise.

Fore Sam said...

Kevin;
If I consider heterosexuality to be normal and my "normal" should be avoided like the plague, will you be cheating on your wife with men now?
If your daughter is not abnormal then she can't be autistic since autism is abnormal. I know these are some of the arguments I present to you that you consider futile. Would you like to get help to answer them?
BTW, could you look at my new post, "Neurodiverse Perversions" and tell me if you think my Neurodiverse writing style is improving since my "Knuckleheads of Neurodiversity" posts? Also, I'd like your opinion about whether or not my new post is ethical. Some from your tribe think it is unethical but I thought it fit right into the Neurodiverse style.

Kev said...

"If I consider heterosexuality to be normal and my "normal" should be avoided like the plague, will you be cheating on your wife with men now?"

I wouldn't cheat on my wife with anybody John. Not down to their sexuality or mine but because I love her. To get a sense of how incredibly stupid this question is let me turn it around:

As you're heterosexual, do you cheat on your wife?

"If your daughter is not abnormal then she can't be autistic since autism is abnormal."

Thats your opinion John. You're welcome to it.

"BTW, could you look at my new post, "Neurodiverse Perversions" and tell me if you think my Neurodiverse writing style is improving since my "Knuckleheads of Neurodiversity""

Slightly better. You still have an issue with the amount of 'crazed fundie' that is your hallmark but still, it was mildly amusing.

"Also, I'd like your opinion about whether or not my new post is ethical. Some from your tribe think it is unethical but I thought it fit right into the Neurodiverse style."

Um, good for you. I have no opinion on your ethics. To be honest, as I've said, the more you write, the happier I am - you provide me with so much ammo its unbelievable :o)

Fore Sam said...

Kev;
If you're not going gay then your previous statement claiming my "normal" should be avoided like the plague must have been false. You must agree that normal is rational. You said you wouldn't cheat on your wife by going "down to their sexuality" which is saying homosexuality is sub-normal. It's not a matter of cheating, which I don't do either but, of establishing what's normal.
If it was just my opinion that autism is abnormal, there would be no need for a diagnosis to describe autism. The whole world recognizes that autism is not a normal existence except for a few freaks from Neurodiversity. That makes it abnormal. That is why rational people try to help those afflicted with the condition. That is why people like Andrews, who wish to sent pictures of their groin to people, are recognized as abnormal and should be helped out of the abyss of autism.
It's interesting that you have no opinion about my ethics. Is that because you think Kathleen's berhavior of publicizing personal Emails is ethical? Or are you afraid to admit that she is unethical and a total disgrace to all of you who want to keep children wallowing in the abyss of autism?

Kev said...

"If you're not going gay then your previous statement claiming my "normal" should be avoided like the plague must have been false. You must agree that normal is rational. You said you wouldn't cheat on your wife by going "down to their sexuality" which is saying homosexuality is sub-normal. It's not a matter of cheating, which I don't do either but, of establishing what's normal."

LOL! That is the most tortuous bit of rationalisation I've ever heard - truly its for this kind of bull that I keep coming back here. Hilarious :o)

I'm not 'going gay' as you put it because I'm not gay, I'm straight. It really is that simple. However, one state of sexuality doesn't implicitly negate another. Whatever someones sexuality, that state is equally valid - gay, stright, bi. You seem to feel that anyone who is not gay is implicitly anti-gay. Nothing could be further from the truth - only someone with your set of beliefs thinks thats logical. You belong in the 19th century John.

The only reason I don't cheat on my wife - with whatever gender of partner - is because I love her and value my marriage.

"If it was just my opinion that autism is abnormal, there would be no need for a diagnosis to describe autism. The whole world recognizes that autism is not a normal existence except for a few freaks from Neurodiversity."

I didn't say it was just your opinion, I said it was your opinion. Full stop. You continue to be welcome to it.

"That is why people like Andrews, who wish to sent pictures of their groin to people, are recognized as abnormal and should be helped out of the abyss of autism."

As oppose to yourself who wishes to send bananas to my daughter as a joke to reflect your belief that she is no better than a trained monkey. You brought up David's groin (if you'll forgive the phrase). You brought up the comparison of my daughter as a trained monkey. Whats the common thread here John - thats right son - you. Maybe you ought to start addressing the issues in your own life because believe me, there are many.

"It's interesting that you have no opinion about my ethics. Is that because you think Kathleen's berhavior of publicizing personal Emails is ethical?"

Correct. I published yours. This is because I believe in personal responsibility and accountability. Unlike you who whine about people publishing the abuse you mail them, if I have something to say I don't care what they do with it. I stand by my words, unlike you who bleats on about having your words published, or deleting whole threads from your blog. Its just more evidence of the sort of coward you really are.

Fore Sam said...

Kevin;
You said " Whatever someones sexuality, that state is equally valid"
So with this statement, you find Andrews sending pictures of his groin to people to be valid.
This would also include homosexuals preying on young boys to be valid. And, of course, incest and bestiality would be valid according to you as well as rape.
Thank you Kevin. You have verified your level of idiocy.
My offer to send bananas was no reflection on your daughter. It was a comment on your own stupidity for comparing your own daughter to a monkey.

Kev said...

"This would also include homosexuals preying on young boys to be valid."

Ah the old 'gay people are sexual abusers' chesnut. I wondered when you'd wheel that one out.

"And, of course, incest and bestiality would be valid according to you as well as rape."

Whats fascinating about this is your equation of incest, bestiality (there's that amusing typo again!), and rape to be equatable with sexuality.

Sexuality John refers to someones gender specific sexual preference. Some people like to have relationships with men, some with women. This has no correlation whatsoever to to the illegalities you list. That you equate the two in your mind is frankly very disturbing.

"My offer to send bananas was no reflection on your daughter. It was a comment on your own stupidity for comparing your own daughter to a monkey."

Really? Where did I do that? Oh thats right, in the thread that you conveniently deleted.

Just for the sake of jogging your memory, lets remind ourselves that the first mention of the phrase 'trained monkey' originated from you on Joseph's blog where, after I described how IT proficient my daughter was you compared her to a trained monkey. Would you like to deny that or shoudl I link you straight to it? of course, all blog comments are dated and timed so all you have to do to prove it was me who compared my daughter to a monkey is show me where I said that from an earlier date than your comment on Joseph's blog. Oh thats right I forgot again - you've unfortunately and completely coincedentally deleted the whole thread and accompnying comments where I said it.

But wait! Its all archived in Googles cache - you'll of course be able to find it on there.

Won't you John?

Fore Sam said...

Kevin;
I believe the remark was that I could train a monkey to use a computer but I couldn't teach it to play poker. You turned that into me calling your daughter a monkey instead of interpreting it correctly and reasoning from it that you should cure your daughter so she could read faces and gain the ability to play poker amongst many other useful things that come into play from having that ability which autistics seem to lack. Do I really have to go to this much trouble to spell everything out for you, Kevin? See what happens when you continually try to twist people's words.
And, speaking of twisting words, your words were: "Whatever someones sexuality, that state is equally valid". You didn't say the sexuality had to be legal. At one time, homosexuality was illegal and still may be in some states. The guy from someplace like Finland who may want to have sex with a sheep probably thinks that should be legal. How is that different from gays who broke the laws? I think the gays are more perverse. At least the guy screwing a sheep is heterosexual.

Kev said...

"I believe the remark was that I could train a monkey to use a computer but I couldn't teach it to play poker."

Thats right, thats exactly what you said. Thank you for confirming that you compared my daughter to a trained monkey.

"And, speaking of twisting words, your words were: "Whatever someones sexuality, that state is equally valid". You didn't say the sexuality had to be legal."

Try and understand John - sexuality refers to the state of gender related sexual preference. Nothing to do with beastiality, child abuse, incest or rape. Your continued insistence that these things are essentially on the same level of hetero and homosexuality is very disturbing.

"At one time, homosexuality was illegal and still may be in some states. The guy from someplace like Finland who may want to have sex with a sheep probably thinks that should be legal. How is that different from gays who broke the laws? I think the gays are more perverse. At least the guy screwing a sheep is heterosexual."

So you need someone to explain to you why having sex with children, sex with animals, forcing someone to have sex against their will or having sex with a close fmaily member is different than a sexual relationship between two consenting adults?

I'm not digging at you when I say this John but seriously - you need help. Can you really not see the difference between sexually abusing a child and two adults consenting to a sexual relationship?

Kev said...

I've just finished reading through this thread again and I'm feeling very uncomfortable about the direction you're heading in John. You've already proven yourself as someone unafraid of insulting children and now you seem to want to use the notion of sexual abuse to try and score points. I'm really not comfortable taking part in a debate of that nature so I'm stepping out of this thread.

In closing though John, I urge you once more to find a way to address your genuinely disturbing inclination to link paedophilia, rape and beatiality with sexuality. I wonder if the people who invite you into their homes under your banner as a Rescue Angel know about this? I wonder how happy they would be about you being around their kids if they did know.

Fore Sam said...

Kevin;
You said:"In closing though John, I urge you once more to find a way to address your genuinely disturbing inclination to link paedophilia, rape and beatiality with sexuality. I wonder if the people who invite you into their homes under your banner as a Rescue Angel know about this? I wonder how happy they would be about you being around their kids if they did know."
I think they'd be happy to know I'm not a wack job who tries to justify perverse behavior like you.

Anonymous said...

John,
Your language and responses indicate you are autistic yourself. You certainly don't seem capable of accepting the idea that other people may think and feel differently than yourself. That's classic autism if you ask me. You also refer to nuts and wacko cases - hardly an appropriate way of refering to people with mental health problems (but such lack of feeling is sometimes found in autistics). Perhaps your son inherited this from you. Get yourself checked out. Oh by the way, my son is on the autistic spectrum and the evidence suggests he's inherited it from myself.

Fore Sam said...

Anon;
People who have earned themselves the name "Wacko" are usually wrong. Autism is not inherited.

Anonymous said...

Quite right, autism itself is not inherited. However, the individual traits could be. if someone inherits enough traits to complete the triad and they inherit them in such a way that they can interfere with their daily life then who's to say they're not autistic.
Your language use makes me think you're American - and a rude self-opinionated one at that.

Anonymous said...

Quite right, autism itself is not inherited. However, the individual traits could be. if someone inherits enough traits to complete the triad and they inherit them in such a way that they can interfere with their daily life then who's to say they're not autistic.
Your language use makes me think you're American - and a rude self-opinionated one at that.