Tuesday, August 29, 2006

More Significant Misrepresentations from Kathleen Seidel

Once again, Neurodiversity's Kathleen Seidel has demonstrated her complete devotion to harming autistic children. She pointed out in her latest deranged attack on the Geier's that they have applied for a patent to treat children who have been poisoned by mercury. Seidel finds fault with this patent because the Geier's and a drug company will profit from it.
Seidel neglects to point out that the patent application does not mention treating children for precocious puberty. This had been her main complaint, insinuating that the Geier's were illegally diagnosing children to hoodwink insurance companies into paying for the procedure. Here, it seems that the Geier's are applying for a patent that will allow them to treat mercury poisoning for what it is so that affected children should be able to have the treatment paid for by insurance without any game playing about the diagnosis.
The Geier's have done what is best to help suffering children. The patent should assure that other doctors who administer this treatment will do so correctly and will not harm children by guessing about the procedure. Evidence presented by the Geier's suggests that the use of Lupron does indeed speed up chelation. As a parent who has struggled through two years of chelation therapy for my son, I can testify that the gains are very slow to arrive. Nevertheless, as I pointed out in my previous post about my sons steps to recovery, the gains do materialize.
It is interesting that the Geier's relate almost immediate improvement with gastrointestinal problems in one of their patients following the use of Lupron. My son suffered with severe and painful constipation for 4 or 5 years before chelation resolved that issue. Constipation was the first physical symptom that accompanied his autism to be resolved with the administration of chelation. To resolve this in a matter of hours versus months is what I consider great progress. It does not make sense for any parent of an autistic child to oppose this advancement in treating this debilitating condition.
As a parent of a severely autistic boy, my concern is for my son's return to the health and mental capacity with which he was born. I, and many other parents, can testify that our normal children were transformed into shells of themselves. Dr Mark Geier proved that the reason for this transformation was the injection of too much mercury via vaccines. I, and many other parents, are offering further proof of that discovery by watching our children return to normalcy by removing that mercury by chelation.
Seidel should have kept her mouth shut this time. The information she has provided offer proof that Dr Geier is doing another wonderful service for autistic children by patenting his discovery and giving parents an option that might bring their children back from the abyss of autism sooner while having this treatment properly recognized so that insurance companies will be forced to pay for it.
This patent may come back to slap the drug company by virtue of the fact that the insurance companies who will have to pay the bill may be able to turn around and sue the drug companies for their negligence in creating the autism epidemic. If insurance has to pay the bill, they should certainly be entitled to sue for all the malpractice that has been committed since Verstraeten informed us that mercury had caused the epidemic in 1999. The fact that Pharma ignored this information and negligently continued to cause autism and related disorders should make them liable for the cost of reversing the damage they knowingly caused. Perhaps Mr Frist has already taken this into account and protected Pharma from this lawsuit in waiting. If not, I'm sure he will.
Thanks for the information, Kathleen. Maybe next time, you can learn how to interpret it correctly. By the way, have you found any 76 year old autistics yet?

86 comments:

Joseph said...

You forgot to provide the links. Let me help you:

Table of Contents

Part Ten: TAP's Connection

Jonsmum said...

Excuse my ignorance in asking this rather naive question.
Is Kathleen Seidel, 'soapbox mom'?

Kevin_1000 said...

The Smug Twins:
Kevin Leitch and Kathy Seidel


Kevin Leitch's latest hypocricy:

"I’m not against biomed as a concept. If I did I’d be a rather large hypocrite. My daughter takes vitamin supplements (Vitamin C), she also take Omega-3 fish oil. She also uses a steroid inhaler as she’s asthmatic. If she’s having trouble sleeping over a period of nights we may use melatonin. Does that make me a biomed parent? I’d guess it does to some people. I’m quite happy to be thought of as a biomed parent, just as I am a neurodiversity parent. Whatever.

Here’s the thing. Vitamin C supplements, Omega-3 oil, steroid inhalers and melatonin won’t ever ‘cure’ autism. She has those things because we feel, as her parents that she needs them. Amazingly, I give supplements to my non-autistic kids too. Because we feel they need them. Not because we’re treating them for something."

The fact that you're giving your kids something because you feel they need them, obviously means there is a cause to give them i.e you're treating the cause, otherwise why give them? Are you thinking straight?

Are you the only person in the world that can feel their children need something in the way of supplements or dare I say it, treatment?

Parents have a right to give their children what they feel they need (as you eliquently put it).

What would you say if I said Omega-3 oil is a load of bullshit with no conclusive evidence that it is effective, and your being ripped off?

Why don't you accept your child as she is, instead of stuffing supplements down her throat. Did she ask for them? I think not.

I see double standards here.

No doubt Ms Seidel has her own approved list of supplements and treatments which she is willing to force down her childs neck when she feels it's appropriate.

The pair of you boil my spleen.

Fore Sam said...

Kevin 1000;
You really shouldn't be angry with Kev about his opinions here. He is simply demonstrating his lack of brain power. He's trying to be a decent parent by helping ameliorate symptoms.
There's no nice way to explain to Kevin that treating the mercury poisoning can make the symptoms disappear with the stance he's taken publicly. It's a shame he's allowed himself to be misled by the scientists who lie about the fact that mercury caused the autism epidemic. I hope it dawns on him someday that treating the cause is a lot more useful for the child than trying to manage symptoms. Once the cause is addressed, all of those supplements are no longer needed.

Fore Sam said...

Jonsmum;
Probably not, you can read her posts without falling asleep.

Common Sense Needed said...

Have you noticed that Joseph is much more interested in "us" than he is in autism? Same goes for Kev, Diva, etc... Fascinating.

Fore Sam said...

Sue;
It seems pretty obvious that Joseph is just engaged in spreading propaganda. I heard the Diva on some radio show and she sounds like a dumb Valley girl.
Kev thinks Seidel is an intellectual so that tells us how low his IQ must be.

Fore Sam said...

Here's some of Joe's propaganda from Kev's blog, posted where he knows I can't comment. That's how the neurodiverse argue, with plenty of cowardice where they don't have to defend their garbage. Once someone shows up on their blogs who they don't have an answer for, they call you a troll and delete comments so nobody can see that you have proven them wrong.
Joseph : 4 hours, 46 minutes ago

All you’re doing is producing a lot of hot air

That’s completely right. What JBJr. and his 3 new friends do is this:

1) Troll blogs.
2) Have comments deleted due to trolling.
3) Claim that because their comments are deleted, there must have been some “truth” in them.

JBJr has a blog. Try posting some of this “truth” there. I have yet to see anything approaching that label from JBJr or his friends.

Jonsmum said...

fore sam and common sense needed;

Just for the record.
As you can see, I am trying to post some "truth" on Kevin Leechs' site.

He only showed half of my post to Kevin C,which was:-


"Kevin C;

Thank you, for pointing out the obvious.

“Psychotic parents abuse or kill their children everyday. They are psychotic and autism has little to do with most of them”.

He asked ME the following question, addressed to Ms Susan Lord/Kevin_1000;

“maybe you could explain, without silliness, just how I’m exploiting his death?”

I thought the answer to this question was self evident in the way his intro to “Another day, another murder”, pointed us all to abfh’s site where he used her and hid behind her ‘hotpants’, while she copped for all the arguments and rebuttals before she finally ‘pressed the panic button’, deleting everyone’s comments that didn’t support or agree with hers.
Comments revealing my real name and proving I am not John Best.

I have noticed that Kevin Leech and abfh delete comments, then delete where they have deleted the comments to present a totally different dialogue, to look like they are unquestionably right, or that there is nobody who could possibly come up with a better argument to disprove their rubbish.

They are guilty of editing and manipulating the truth. More than guilty of the accusations they make against the “Autism Speaks” video.

As my comment to abfh was deleted, I would like to post it here.

abfh;

"In my view, this was an excellent job of reporting"

"She doesn't even comment on Marcus' autism diagnosis"

"What a contrast between this thoughtful, responsible piece of journalism and the abysmal reporting we've seen about other murders of autistic children"

"If only we had more decent ethical reporting like this, stories about murdered autistic children would not have to be written so often"

If you truly stand behind your own statements, then follow this "excellent journalist's example.

LEAVE THIS CHILD IN PEACE.
DO NOT EXPLOIT HIS MURDER TO FURTHER YOUR OWN CAUSE"

Kevin L ommited the part of my comment addressing abfh, which drew attention to the hypocracy of this woman who praises the journalist for not commenting on Marcus' autism diagnosis, while drawing attention to it herself.

Kevin L responded to my comment with his usual condescending sarcasm.

I responded back with this comment:-

"Kevin L;

You have just shown my comment above, but did not show the whole comment. You and I both know this, and this is an example of how you manipulate and edit the truth.

The rest of comment was my response to agfh, which both of you do not want to show. Why is this?

"then delete where they have deleted the comments to present a totally different dialogue"
"Again, you've lost me"

Sorry if I have lost you, surely you're not that stupid.
You delete comments, but do not show that you have deleted a comment.
Look at other sites such as John Best's, Kassiane's and Kevin C. You will see "comment deleted" in their threads.
You do not do this.
Where are all the "comment deleted" posts in this thread?

Anyone commenting on this thread yesterday, will have noticed comments/responses disappearing without a trace.
You dispose of these comments because they present an argument such as the you are "begging" me for.

Show the rest of my comment to abfh and you will get the vallid point/argument you are begging me for.

"Seriously - you're going to have to start backing up what you say"

Is there any point, when you omit the very part of my comment which backs up what I have to say?

"All you're doing is producing a lot of hot air at the moment and doing it in a very disrespectful way"

I have no respect for you Mr Leitch. You do not deserve it.
If you earn my respect you will get it".

PS, If some of the above is hard to read, it's because it's 4AM here in england and I need some sleep.

Nathzn said...

"with plenty of cowardice where they don't have to defend their garbage"

says you who deletes my comments for no real reason

Common Sense Needed said...

Nathzn wrote:

"says you who deletes my comments for no real reason".

Are you forgetting that you are only 14, perhaps 15? That is reason enough to delete your comments. Since finding out your age, I have attempted to be very nice to you. You really don't belong here. When Al Gore invented the internet, he really should have thought of that :)

Jonsmum said...

nathzn;

JBJr deletes your comments because he beleives you are too young to get involved in this 'debate', which can get very nasty and manipulative.

You must have noticed that when he deletes a comment, he shows it as;

"Comment deleted"

Kevin Leitch does not do this.
He deletes comments without showing they have been deleted.
He is very manipulative in the way he does this.

I believe you have a right to say what you think, regardless of your age.

But please be careful Nathan, you are being used as a 'pawn' in his game, just as I and everyone else who posts on his site is.

Nathzn said...

"That is reason enough to delete your comments."

In what way is that reason enough?

Just becuase I'm young doesn't invalidate what I say.

Common Sense Needed said...

Jonsmum,

I would advise you not to post to Kev L's blog anymore. He deletes and bans when he cannot answer questions. "His" side can post whatever they want freely but get someone on there with some common sense and Kev can't handle it, he will ban you or delete you. It is his perogative but it shows his cowardly personality. If none of us post there his site is silent. Unimportant. Watch the trends. The only time it picks up is with people who post using common sense.

Now, Kev has had ample opportunities to speak his mind in "middle ground" forums but his arguments and opinions only seem to work in the comfort of the ND blogs. He was posting on EoH a while back (not that I consider that middle ground) but he couldn't handle the pressure. He also used to post on AutismWeb (which is middle ground) but again, was scared off when his own blog got used against him one too many times.

When we look back on this controversy in years to come, I imagine that it will be with great sadness for all sides. For me, I will be so troubled that this debate has had to get so ugly. So many children being sacrificed for the "good of the herd" when in fact the herd itself is more sickly than in any other time in history. People will look back on the 1990-who knows when... and think, I can't believe that they did that... and I can't believe that the "debate" went on so long. What were those people thinking? On the other side, the other side will have to live with the fact that they put roadblocks up at every turn to try to stall the truth coming out. They will also have to face the fact that the people that they have mocked are actually the truth-tellers. The ND's are on the wrong side of the debate. We know that. They will know that someday....

Common Sense Needed said...

Nathzn wrote:

"Just becuase I'm young doesn't invalidate what I say".

Of course it doesn't Nathzn. Your opinion is your opinion. You are just too young to be so involved. Not enough life experience. You should be out playing baseball, video games, reading, etc. This is good for me, though, a lesson learned. Note to self, parental controls on my kids' computers when they are old enough to "surf the net" on their own. For that, I thank you.

Jonsmum said...

common sense needed;

Thanks for the info, re Kev L.
I have a lot to learn.

I was just about to suggest that if everyone who disagrees with Kev Leich, stops blogging on his site, it would stop him from banning us, doctoring our blogs and manipulating our words.

We are providing him with ammunition to use against us.

Common Sense Needed said...

It is definately best to stay away from posting on the ND blogs (even if you are not banned). It is a waste of time when you can post in other places and they will always read your comments anyway. It's a win win situation.

Anyone catch the most recent post from Seidel... she's now talking about what she considers the ineptitude of big pharma... Hello, Seidel, we've been saying that for a while now. Glad you are finally catching on.

Fore Sam said...

Nat;
I agree with the people who answered for me. Remember me telling you were being used as a pawn? How many adults do you need to hear that from before you ask your parents to investigate removing the mercury from your brain. Leitch, Seidel and the others don't care about you. They only care about their agenda of defending drug companies.

Jonsmum said...

Thanks to Kev C, for showing me the real/other side of Kevin Leitch, in his own archive "Living with ASD",(OCT 2003).

What a contrast! What a transformation from a 'down to earth', downbeat, desperate "self pitying" man, to the sarcastic, condescending, pious pig we see today.

"I think it's way past time that I had a self-pitying rant"

"this will include foul language"

'Hypocritical' is to good a word to describe him.

Fore Sam said...

Whether Lietch, Seidel or the autistic Bitch delete comments doesn't matter. Posting there helps to educate these people so they might someday learn to help themselves or their kids. Leaving them alone to wallow in their ignorance would be like leaving a deaf person alone at a railroad crossing with a train approaching. If enough decent people try to teach them the truth about mercury, sooner or later, it will sink in and they'll stop letting their kids rot in the abyss of autism with no help. We need to take pity on the intellectually challenged ND's and offer our help. Their children shouldn't suffer just because they weren't blessed with brains.

Jonsmum said...

JB;

What 'site/blog' do I go to to hear K.Seidels blather?

Fore Sam said...

Jonsmum;
Click on the link Joe provided in the first comment here.

Jonsmum said...

I've just had a look at Joe's link to K.Seidel and to be honest, I haven't the stomach to read any more.
It's 11:55pm (bedtime), if I read anymore or her crap I'd have to guzzle down some of my sons melatonin to get me to sleep.

I'd invite her over to my house to look at a video of my son, babbling away at 4 month's old, before he stopped dead in his tracks after his 4 month multi vaccine, then ram it down her throat to shut her up.

She's a nightmare.

Fore Sam said...

Jonsmum;
Her kid on the spectrum is probably just a nerd who she had diagnosed so she could collect social security.

Bobino said...

"Dr Mark Geier proved that the reason for this transformation was the injection of too much mercury via vaccines."

Geier said there is no conclusive evidence that mercury has anything to do with autism. It's in a deposition transcript. Why would Geier say that?

Jonsmum said...

Kevin Leitch's "aggresive ant-spam features" seem to have blocked my last comment to him.
Can I respond to him here?


Kevin L;

"So, what have you achieved? You’ve made yourself look damn silly. Again. You’ve dragged a thread that simply expressed how terrible it was that another autistic child had been murdered down to your level of utter contempt for this boy’s life, death and suffering. You’ve again failed to engage on any substantive matters at all, preferring to concentrate your time on how comments work on blogs".

“your level of utter contempt for this boy’s life, death and suffering”?

Shame on you and your lies, Kevin Leitch.

My first and last comment to you is;

LEAVE THIS CHILD TO REST IN PEACE.
DO NOT EXPLOIT HIS MURDER TO FURTHER YOUR OWN CAUSE.

Fore Sam said...

Bobino;
I'm sure Geier had more to say about that unless the lawyers cut him off. Why don't you read the rest of the transcript?

monkey said...

no jonsmum, soapboxmom is not Kathleen Seidel she is a twisted freak who thinks she is entitled to tell other people how to raise their kids.She gets off on criticizing other parents. She is pathetic.

monkey said...

"Now, Kev has had ample opportunities to speak his mind in "middle ground" forums but his arguments and opinions only seem to work in the comfort of the ND blogs. He was posting on EoH a while back (not that I consider that middle ground) but he couldn't handle the pressure. He also used to post on AutismWeb (which is middle ground) but again, was scared off when his own blog got used against him one too many times."




Ain't that the truth

Jonsmum said...

Was K. Seidel born into this world for the sole purpose of discrediting the Geiers'?
I wonder if she has any semblance of a life outside of her obsession with them?
She clutches at straws with her letter to Alan MacKenzie, president of TAP Pharmaceuticals:-

"Please remember — the subjects described in the patent application are children who deserve our most resolute protection. I urge you to consider the moral and legal implications of supporting Mark and David Geier in their development and promotion of the “Lupron Protocol,” to disassociate from them, and to reject any research that does not hold the protection of autistic children in the highest regard".

What a hypocritical and pathetic plea, from a woman who claims to "hold the protection of autistic children in the highest regard".

I haven't the time, energy or inclination, to wade through her infinite 'Geier stalking', she calls "Significant Misrepresentations"

She must have repetative strain injury from all the typing she does!

Fore Sam said...

Jonsmum;
I think she dictates to her husband and he types it for her.
The bitch only cares about defending the drug companies.

Jonsmum said...

She's probably one of Joseph's "refridgerator wive's"

Jonsmum said...

Bobino;

Are you still "sitting on the fence" on this "neurodiverse movement"?

Common Sense Needed said...

"Please remember — the subjects described in the patent application are children who deserve our most resolute protection".

This cracked me up when Seidel wrote this. If Seidel gave a rat's ass about children she would make a strong stance against mercury being injected into them but no... that mercury thing... that's no big deal. Lupron - bad. Mercury - good.

Bobino said...

If by "sitting on the fence" you mean keeping an open mind, and evaluating what others are saying, then the answer is yes.

Evasive answers to simple questions make me suspicious. For example, the quesion about EDTA and the blood brain barrier was not answered, apparently because I'm not smart enough to understand the answer. And Geier's statement about there being no conclusive evidence was straightforward. I read the transcript.

Common Sense Needed said...

Bobino wrote:

"And Geier's statement about there being no conclusive evidence was straightforward. I read the transcript".

Bobino, I may have missed a bunch of posts from you and I'm not too clear where you stand but let me just address this point. It would help if you gave some sort of reference for us to look at. Which transcript? When? It helps when you get the context of the statement. I'm quite certain that whether or not you agree with the Geier's... most would agree they believe that there is a connection between thimerosal in vaccines and autism. That's no big secret. A link would help.

Jonsmum said...

bobino;

My question was not intended to be sarcastic. I just remembered your comment about "sitting on the fence for a while", and your reference to your niece.

Jonsmum said...

Has anyone else noticed that on Kev Leitch's site, if you look under 'archives' at "Another day another murder" the number of comments is 81, while if you go to his post on this subject, the number of comments are only 44.

His "aggresive anti-spam features" must be working on overdrive!

Either that or he is working very hard on editing them for convenience, (sorry), "relevancy".

Fore Sam said...

It doesn't surprise me, Jonsmum. Anyone involved with neurodiversity is perpetrating a sham.

Soapbox mom said...

jonsmum,
No, Kathleen Seidel and I are not the same person, but thank you so much for the compliment! And btw, there is no "d" in refrigerator, and your apostrophe usage is incorrect. just sayin'.

monkey,
When you grow up and get your own blog, you can tell people how to raise their children, if that's your thing. I don't tell people how to raise their children, though I do indeed criticize those parents who make uninformed, unsafe decisions regarding their autistic children and certain "treatments."

Fore Sam said...

The most unsafe and idiotic treatment for autism is to leave mercury rotting your child's brain while you cling to the now defunct idea that there is no known cause or cure for autism. What a moron!

Soapbox mom said...

oh John! You are such a cutup! You said:
leave mercury rotting your child's brain
Now, everyone knows that mercury is used as a preservative, right? So, if there was mercury in my child's brain (which there isn't)then my child's brain would actually be preserved and we all know that preserved is the opposite of rotten, right?
John! You made a joke!
Thanks for the chuckle!

Nathzn said...

Don't bother trying to debate john, he only repeats what the rest of the mercury-milti say.

So most of what he says obviously makes no sense

Fore Sam said...

SM;
Mercury kills brain cells. If you don't know that your kid has a genetic problem, it's most likely mercury that caused the autism. Denying this isn't helping your kid.
You're not intelligent enough to be involved in organizing this scam to deflect blame from the drug companies. You are one of the simple followers who parrot the lies of your evil leaders who are intentionally harming children. You should start listening to intelligent people who will tell you how to help your child.

Jonsmum said...

Oh no! I'm so embarrassed!
soapbox mom has just exposed ny complete illiteracy by pointing out there is no 'd' in refrigerator, and that my "apostrophe usage is incorrect".

I feel so humiliated. How will I ever live this down?.

Jonsmum said...

Newsflash to soapbox mom;

GROW UP.

Forget about punctuation/spelling and educate yourself more important issues.

"Now, everyone knows that mercury is used as a preservative, right? So, if there was mercury in my child's brain (which there isn't)then my child's brain would actually be preserved and we all know that preserved is the opposite of rotten, right?"

This has got to be the most ignorant quote of the century!

While mercury is being used in vaccines to preserve inorganic matter, it is a PROVEN NEUROTOXIN.

Are you giving your son a daily supplement of mercury to"preserve" his brain?

You stupid, stupid woman.

monkey said...

monkey,
"When you grow up and get your own blog, you can tell people how to raise their children, if that's your thing. I don't tell people how to raise their children, though I do indeed criticize those parents who make uninformed, unsafe decisions regarding their autistic children and certain "treatments."



Is this the best you've got? Really sad. I will pray you over come your bitterness and for the recovery of that child of yours. Maybe GOD will help him since you aren't willing.

monkey said...

jonsmum she realizes she has no real debate skills. I am not even sure she understands the issues effecting autistics. So she attacks spelling and punctuation to make herself feel superior. Don't worry about her she is merely a sheep following the herd.

Jonsmum said...

Monkey;

Have a look at her bilious comments on THE RETT DEVIL'S RANT blog, on the subject of the Autism Speaks video.
She shows her total lack of understanding of the nature of autism and her jealousy of the (little) attention parents get, who have severely autistic children.

monkey said...

Oddly, I am not shocked by her comments. She talks of pity parties yet is bothered they didn't "pick" her to be interviewed. Thanks for the info. The blog was rather interesting in a twisted way. More of the same nonsense.

little bo peep said...

Now, now people. However much you disagree with SBM's views, you can't argue that she's one smart cookie. You obviously disagree with what she has to say, but certainly you can't take issue with her intellect. Read her blog.

Jonsmum said...

Why do you presume we haven't read at her blog?

Kevin_1000 said...

Little bo peep has lost her sheep....

Common Sense Needed said...
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Jonsmum said...

little bo peep;

"And btw, there is no "d" in refrigerator, and your apostrophe usage is incorrect. just sayin'"

Is this the childish intellect we certainly can't take issue with?

"So, if there was mercury in my child's brain (which there isn't)then my child's brain would actually be preserved"

Yeah, from her comments on this thread, she really sounds like "one smart cookie".

monkey said...

oh goodie here comes the cheerleaders. How utterly predictable.

Kevin_1000 said...

"The elephants in the room, can you see it?"

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Don't worry about any unwanted side affects (please remain in waiting area for 10 mins just in case your child has an adverse reaction) this product has been thouroughly tested on children.

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Fore Sam said...

It looks like the Neurodiverse have stopped arguing. Maybe they have come to their senses and are out buying ALA to detoxify their brains. Or, maybe they have slipped into early Alzheimer's and can't remember how to type.

Jonsmum said...

They've ran out of "hot Air".

Fore Sam said...

On the ABFH site, http://www.blogger.com/publish-comment.do?blogID=22792719&postID=115738539374551393&r=ok you can see Joseph getting caught in a blatant lie, something he specializes in.

Jonsmum said...

"Joe;
You posted this: "From the Autism-Mercury FAQ (at Autism-Mercury Yahoo group): In response to question "Has anyone actually 'cured' their autistic child by chelating them?"

As of this writing [Aug 28, 2006] no one on this list has completely cured their child from mercury poisoning."
You neglected to include the rest of the answer:"But its early yet. Dr. Amy is getting some wonderful results with the children in her practice, and numerous parents have reported improvements in their autistic children with each chelation cycle."
Dr Holmes gave up her practice 4 or 5 years ago. This was put into the A-M FAQ's some time back. It was not put there on Aug 28, 2006.
So, you took the quote you used out of context, lied about the date it was written and the information you neglected to include tells everyone that it was written some years ago because that is when Amy Holmes' study was published. Any casual reader of A-M is well aware that some kids have been completely cured. I don't think anyone has tried to count how many there are.
I'm guessing I heard that stat directly about 3 years ago since that is when I joined the A-M list.
Will you now try to weasel out of your lie by claiming an error in judgement to only provide part of the answer by which you derive a zero cure rate today when that was only true 5 or even 6 years ago when treating autism with chelation was just starting? Sorry, there's no way out of this, you are a liar".

Yes Joseph YOU ARE A LIAR, surprise surprise!!!

Common Sense Needed said...

That's a classic ND move. Hurray to Joseph for his fine ability to attempt to deceive people. You have to love how after he gets caught in manipulating the date, he then blames the "FAQ maintainer", he wrote:

"The FAQ has a date John. I don't care if the FAQ maintainer hasn't updated the FAQ. Why don't you tell him or her to update it? Seems like a major oversight not to update that one question".

He attempts to shift the issue from his own blatant error to the poor "FAQ maintainer" and of course John it's up to you to push that "FAQ maintainer" into gear. Too funny.

Fore Sam said...

Joe will probably lose his Christmas bonus from Eli Lilly because of this. I'll bet if I was allowing anonymous comments a bunch of nitwits would show up to swear at me.
And the ND's don't think they need to be cured?

Fore Sam said...

Sue, by the way, great job straightening out the jerks on Orca's blog. He's refusing to publish half of my comments, the coward.

Jonsmum said...

On ABFH site, on the "one book" post, David N,s reaction to the "Behaviour analyst" had me in stitches;

"David N. Andrews BA-status, PgCertSpEd (pending, being subsumed into the MEd due to be awarded in Dec 2006),
Appled Educational Psychologist,
Kotka, Finland

PS.

For slow-to-learn PhDs on the blog:

*BA-status awarded on admission, by implication, as postgraduate:

** Psychology 61sw
** Mathematical Sciences 30sw
** Archaeology 20sw
** Finnish Language 9sw

** Total- 120sw = BA in Finland (i.e., we don't get the paper; we use the letters and, if PhD behaviour analyst had been reading correctly, s/he would know that I use BA-*status* instead of BA)

*PgCertSpEd (pending):

** Understanding and Working with the Continuum of Need 7sw
** Intervention, Care and Education 7sw
** Special Study in Educational Psychology: psycho-educational assessment 7sw

(all topics tackled within the 'educational psychology' part of the "Inclusion, Special Education and Educational Psychology" field in which these studies were taken)

This is the substance of the Postgraduate Certificate in Special Education - which I lay claim to as a *pending* award, because I have carried on with my studies to get the MEd.

I actually have documents for all of the above.

It does rather cross my mind that this Behaviour Analyst may actually be saying what s/he is saying about my credentials just to get a reaction from me. Which begs another question:

Who here, knowing that, would want the Behaviour Analyst to advocate for them or theirs?"

Oh dear, I almost feel sorry for him.

Jonsmum said...

On ABFH site, on the "one book" post, David N,s reaction to the "Behaviour analyst" had me in stitches;

"David N. Andrews BA-status, PgCertSpEd (pending, being subsumed into the MEd due to be awarded in Dec 2006),
Appled Educational Psychologist,
Kotka, Finland

PS.

For slow-to-learn PhDs on the blog:

*BA-status awarded on admission, by implication, as postgraduate:

** Psychology 61sw
** Mathematical Sciences 30sw
** Archaeology 20sw
** Finnish Language 9sw

** Total- 120sw = BA in Finland (i.e., we don't get the paper; we use the letters and, if PhD behaviour analyst had been reading correctly, s/he would know that I use BA-*status* instead of BA)

*PgCertSpEd (pending):

** Understanding and Working with the Continuum of Need 7sw
** Intervention, Care and Education 7sw
** Special Study in Educational Psychology: psycho-educational assessment 7sw

(all topics tackled within the 'educational psychology' part of the "Inclusion, Special Education and Educational Psychology" field in which these studies were taken)

This is the substance of the Postgraduate Certificate in Special Education - which I lay claim to as a *pending* award, because I have carried on with my studies to get the MEd.

I actually have documents for all of the above.

It does rather cross my mind that this Behaviour Analyst may actually be saying what s/he is saying about my credentials just to get a reaction from me. Which begs another question:

Who here, knowing that, would want the Behaviour Analyst to advocate for them or theirs?"

Oh dear, I almost feel sorry for him.

Jonsmum said...

Sorry, I don't how my last comment went in twice?
I think my 'mouse' is a bit sensitive.

Kevin_1000 said...

Well, I don't know what all the fuss is about. Who said a good shot of mercury is bad for you?

Come on, what do you need, a pair of binoculars/microscopes?

Here are some famous quotes:

"Money comes before sense"
"Money conquers all"
"Money buys everything"
"Money kills innocent lives"
"Money, Money, Money"

kevin_1000.

I may even copyright those!!

Common Sense Needed said...

"On ABFH site, on the "one book" post, David N,s reaction to the "Behaviour analyst" had me in stitches".

Yes, David (pending diploma) is quite a trip. You should see when he gets really heated. It's a comedy show.

Fore Sam said...

Can you imagine taking your kid for treatment and spotting his pending BA hanging on the wall? He probably hand painted it himself in the Special Ed. program.

Kevin_1000 said...

I think Mr BA Baracus is "pending" some therapy

Fore Sam said...

Kevin;
Sanity Pending is in denial. I wonder why everyone else with a BA, BS or MBA or whatever doesn't post their credentials on blogs.

Jonsmum said...

Asking someone to prove the link between mercury and autism is like asking for proof that cigarette smoking causes cancer.

The overwhelming evidence is well documented and proven in both cases.

The only difference between the two is that, despite knowing the riks, smokers choose to smoke, and so the government, while they 'cream in' over twenty billion pounds a year from taxes, can openly admit and warn us that "smoking kills".


The government, denies/covers up any link between mercury and autism because they were/are responsible for 'pushing' all childhood vaccinations.

Children/babies would not choose to be injected with mercury. Uninformed parents would not choose for their children to receive unsafe levels/doses of a proven neurotoxin, no more than they would put a cigarette in the mouths' of thier babies.

I am staggered that anyone would argue with this!

Fore Sam said...

Jonsmum;
Do you think those who argue about it are really that dense? I think they could only be professionals slinging propaganda (aside from pending psychologists, of course)..

Jonsmum said...

John;

As you know, I am relatively new to this 'antivax/mercury militia' propaganda, and I am deeply disturbed at the lengths these people will go to in order to dismiss any connection between mercury and autism.
I certainly don't need any 'BA-Status' to see what is blatantly staring me in the face.

I've been reading the posts/blogs on the 'neurodiverse' sites and have noticed they all have one thing in common.
Anyone with any argument agains't their's, is bombarded with pseudo intellectual language designed to
'fog' your argument by drawing you into a 'debate' about the in's and out's of a fart.
As soon as you provide any 'proof' they are demanding of you, they
"press the panic button" and delete, "edit for relevancy" or ban you from the site, preserving their progaganda as the indisputable truth.

The CDC and the FDA are obviously making every effort to deny and cover up their 'criminal' mistake re thimerosal in vaccines.

I have no doubt whatsoever that there are "professions slinging propaganda". I have been reading their devious propaganda for a few weeks now, and I am sickened in my belief that they are exploiting
'high functioning' autistics, receptive to their propaganda that anyone wishing to cure/treat their child is tantamount to wishing their autistic child dead.

Kevin Leitch, chief narcissist, is a classic example.
Just what is his personal motivation for the time and effort he puts into discrediting all professionals, groups and individuals with a belief there is a link between mercury and autism.
He is "THE POISON"
Kathleen Seidel. What is her personal motivation for hounding the Geiers'.

Why don't they just get on with their 'accepting autism' lives they profess to be so content with?

I think we know the answer to that.

Fore Sam said...

Jonsmum;
I couldn't agree more. It's sort of pointless to argue with them on their own blogs with the way they weasel out of facing the truth. I think somebody should post some opposition to their garbage though.
Most of them disappeared since I shut off anonymous comments here. It doesn't matter since the blog's still out there and if they don't disagree with me, it looks like they probably learned something and began chelating their children. I expect Kathleen and Kevin will be sending me thank you notes sometime when their kids get better with biomedical intervention. Of course, these two might not even have kids at all and they could just be using that story to make them fit in with the adults they are deluding.

Common Sense Needed said...

Wow, that Kev Leitch is a real twit. He somehow got on to the CK2 board which is supposed to be closed to only people working with a DAN! to get insight into JB's sons protocol. Kev is desperate. I think that he is finally realizing that the vaccines/autism connection is very true and he's grasping now. What a jerk! He is just bummed out that he didn't have the common sense to realize that when his daughter had to be rushed to the hospital after her DTP vaccine ... that was a bad sign.

Kevin_1000 said...

Orac's moderating all his posts suddenly. I think his ass just fell out.

Jonsmum said...

common sense needed;

You waltzed back onto Orac's blog like a human fly swatter and put them all in their place, one by one, within minutes!

Ever thought of a career in pest control?

Fore Sam said...

I think Soapbox Mom is getting a little frazzled. Does anyone know of some good cult deprogrammers who will start working with the followers of neurodiversity?

Jonsmum said...

I think soapbox mom has always been more than "a little frazzled".
I don't know any cult deprogrammers, but in England we would probably call in a 'crisis intervention team', (the men in white coats). They would either 'section her' or make sure she was put on the right medication to preserve her mental health.

Common Sense Needed said...

For Joseph and Kev (since I know that they follow this blog). Joseph wrote this on Kev's blog:

"One would think David Kirby might be interested in addressing criticism posted on the autism website/blog with most readers on the web. But no. He prefers to ignore it. That is obviously because he does not have a good answer to the arguments presented, nor is he interested in debating how to correctly interpret CDDS data, nor in retracting his demonstrably flawed suppositions".


I have stated this over and over again. David Kirby probably does not appreciate it when people such as Kev post personal e-mails over the web without their approval. When you do that, you run the risk of alienating people.

Jonsmum said...

"I’m going through a mini-fascination with video online at the moment. I was delighted to unearth that old video of Brad Handley setting himself up for a fall and I was equally delighted to come across a few video’s of David Kirby on Google Video, courtesy of FAIR Autism Media"

Sounds like he is wetting himself with excitement.

Fore Sam said...

I'm sure it's a big thrill when you're more concerned with defending drug companies than helping kids get better.

Any Mouse said...

Looks like you nimrods are all alone here. You are truly amazing. Hardly one brain between the lot of you. Please delete my comment. It will be proof that John the Moron has read it, and I just wanted to bug him.

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