Tuesday, December 26, 2006

Curing Autism

Total improvements from chelation for Sam's autism are immense. This spans a two and a half year period and I think it's important to look at the total picture as gains have been slow. It's easy for parents to get frustrated and give up. The only chance our children have is for parents to keep going to beat this son of a bitch named autism.

Sam's autism was as bad as it gets. This child was totally unreachable. He never responded to his name, never slept, didn't eat, smeared feces, ate anything he could get his hands on, tried to drink water out of the gutter, bashed his head into walls, bit himself, climbed out of windows, ran into traffic, battled constipation for years, screamed ALL DAY LONG. In short, he was a completely inconsolable wreck. He was in constant motion and would destroy anything he could get his hands on. At school, teachers allowed him to sit in the middle of the floor by himself because they could not do anything with him. He paid zero attention to anything and was content to spin himself in circles all day or lie on the floor playing with anything that would spin.

Sam had always walked with a limp, dragging one leg behind the other. I think that was the first improvement that came about from chelation. He used to take stairs two feet to every step and, at age 8, finally began to walk up stairs normally. He had battled constipation for years, screaming in pain while trying to expel baseball sized masses that were hard as a rock. This was the next thing to go away. His bowels have been mostly normal since a couple of months into chelation. Prevailing wisdom claims that the gut must be healed before starting chelation but, in Sam's case, I'm certain the chelation healed his gut. He was almost 8 when we started and I had wasted two years that I couldn't put everything into place I needed to begin chelation. I wasn't going to waste another minute once it became possible to start ridding him of the mercury.

The first improvement in mental symptoms came when Sam began making eye contact. It was fleeting at first but slowly increased until he first responded to his name by looking into my eyes. That was a beautiful moment. He had not looked into my eyes since he was less than a year old. Then came some communication, not speech but leading us by the hand to show us what he wanted. He'd drag us to the food cabinets and if we grabbed the wrong item, he'd shove us back until we found the right one that he wanted. Then he began moving our arms until they were in position to pick out a certain item. Now, he's tall enough to reach most things for himself. This was a child who never could let it be known that he was hungry. He only ate when we decided it was time for him to eat. I'm sure that added to his frustration and probably caused some of the meltdowns. Of course, once an autistic meltdown has begun, it can take an hour or so to stop, at least in Sam's case. He still has meltdowns but they are much easier to stop now. Sometimes, he fakes a meltdown now for attention and laughs at us when we go to stop it.

Laughter is a nice indicator that Sam is getting better. He had laughed as a baby but seemed to lose that skill for a long time, except when being tickled. He wasn't amused by much of anything. Now, he laughs appropriately all the time. Part of that is from paying attention and part is from being able to understand what is said to him.

Sam now follows commands which is something that was just a waste of breath before chelation. I can tell him to go hit a golf ball now and he'll look around for a golf club, find one, and go hit the ball. I had tried to swing the club for him thousands of times without Sam ever doing anything but dropping the club or trying to eat it. Now, he'll grip it properly and hit the ball. He still shows no interest in hitting it a long ways like his younger siblings but it's progress. He also plays catch now where, before, if you threw Sam a ball, he'd ignore it completely and it would just bounce off him. He even puts his seatbelt on in the car now and leaves it on instead of taking it off and climbing all over the car although I still don't trust him in the back seat of my car that doesn't have the childproof door locks.

Sam has learned to dress himself, eat with utensils instead of his fingers, color, write (a little), exchange pictures with PECS, use a touch screen computer, ride a bike and open his Christmas presents instead of eating the wrapping paper and ignoring the presents. These are things I never expected he would do before chelation. He was just like a brain dead child who could walk and scream. Now, he's learning, showing us that he does, indeed have a brain that can work, and works a little better with every little bit of mercury that comes out.

I've followed Andy Cutler's protocol using oral DMSA and oral Alpha Lipoic Acid(ALA). I've always stopped a round any time I missed a dose. This has slowed down the improvement because I missed lots of doses by not being able to wake myself up at 4:00AM after staying up until midnight. But, I've completed 35 or 40 good rounds. I wasn't taking any chances that I'd hurt Sam by ignoring Dr Cutler's advice. Some people have done over 100 rounds in the same timeframe. Sam would probably be better off if I had done that many. I shudder to think what he would be like now if I had not chelated him at all.

School and many therapists never did anything to improve Sam's life until after chelation. Lots of uneducated people insist that teachers make the difference with kids with autism. These are the same people who continue to spout the nonsense that there is no known cause or cure for autism. These alleged professionals are an absolute disgrace to their profession. They have all heard of chelation by now yet they continue to tell unsuspecting parents that their child's best chance is through educators while they deny the fact that mercury caused this epidemic.

Some children with autism realize improvement in their symptoms with ABA. This is great if it helps the kid. However, this therapy is only a temporaruy fix. I now have the same results with chelation that ABA purports to provide but Sam's improvement is permanent and I didn't have to torture him with that intensive therapy to help him improve. There is money to be made by those who provide ABA. The behaviorists involved in autism seem to want to ignore the fact, however, that biomedical intervention is gaining better results than the behavioral therapy. One would think that, if they had the best interests of the children in mind, they would accept this new knowledge that has been gained about chelation and get on board with it as part of a multi disciplined approach to helping these kids. For the most part, the behaviorists don't do this. They still, in their ignorance, want to parrot the preachings of the Medical professionals who aver that autism is not caused by mercury. That makes the behaviorists part of the problem rather than part of the solution. The object of any professional who works with autism should be to get rid of the autism. Settling for some half-assed improvement is far from professional in my book. Teachers need to learn that they can do their jobs a lot more effectively if the children they are teaching are receiving the medical treatment they need to remove the poison that caused the autism.

78 comments:

Anonymous said...

That is great that Sam is doing so well. I talk to so many parents who have allowed so called "ABA professionals" convince them that anything biomedical is "pseudo science." I always wonder why these people would allow these scam artists (although there are some very good ABA professionals, many of them are in it for the money, particularly the ABA centers)convince them not to explore biomedical.

I think until a child's system is balanced and whatever toxins are removed, any kind of intervention is not going to be as effective. Every parent really needs to understand that all of the underlying problems (such as toxins, yeast, food allergies, etc.)have to be addressed. It takes effort and research to implement chelation and understand the entire biomedical picture and many parents are just not willing to do this. They just want to drop them everyday with people who claim to be experts and ignore everything else which is really a shame.

Joseph said...

John: I know this will just go into one ear and out the other, but what the heck. Your kid's "improvement" I believe is typical of autistic kids, not atypical. For example, my son, who is 5, has made a lot of progress this year. We potty trained him, and he's almost fully potty trained, even at night. We thought it was going to be a lot harder to achive that. He's starting to ride his bike. At first I thought it was going to be impossible for him to grasp such things as moving the steering handle to direct the bike, or even pedal. But now he gets it, avoids obstacles and stuff. He's starting to listen to directions. He gets into the car by himself and puts his own seatbelt. In the verbal department he's made little progress but now says "again" when he wants something done again.

We don't do ABA. We had him in speech therapy for over a year. But now I teach him at home. I mostly let him practice things he's naturally good at, such as learning puzzles. I do practice some receptive language with him, which is something he's really bad at.

Anyway, you wonder what might have happened if you hadn't chelated Sam. I do wonder about that too.

Whatever happened to Jim Adams' DMSA trial, you know?

Fore Sam said...

Joseph;
I think your son is fortunate that he's not as low functioning as my son. Perhaps, being born in 2001, he was poisoned with less mercury. I wonder if he might be normal now if you had chelated him.
As far as Adams goes, I don't think we'll learn much from any short term study on chelation. We won't learn anything if Adams isn't using ALA.
Pointing me to J Ken Wickiser's blog doesn't do much good. That guy is way too strange to expect me to pay any attention to anything he has to say. Although, if you want to summarize his point, it might be worth consideration.

Fore Sam said...

Anon; The problem with the behaviorists is that their approach was the only one available for a long time. These nitwits have not kept pace with the state of the art for autism treatments and don't realize that their methods are now obsolete.

Joseph said...

The study linked on BC's blog (you have to see the full text, not just the abstract) says, in short, that DMSA may cause cognitive impairment. I think that should be an important concern for any parent thinking about chelating a child, don't you agree?

Fore Sam said...

Joseph;
The word "MAY" is the important one here. What if the CDC told us that thimerosal may cause autism in 1 in 166? 165 parents would win that bet. Pretty good odds, wouldn't you say?
Autism IS cognitive impairment from where I sit. It might not be so bad for you and others with higher functioning kids. Sam had no cognitive ability whatsoever until removing some of the mercury allowed him to begin functioning at a low level. From what he was, no drug that doesn't kill him could possibly make him worse. And, as I stated, he has improved tremendously.

Ghost of Christmas Future said...

Weblog owner, you are interfering with the order of creation. You are interfering with evolution. You are preventing the development of the brave new world. An Earth where many worlds exist in harmony including the worlds of the Autistic savant.

For the sake of the future, you must cease your activity. Evolution can not be "cured".

Jonsmum said...

Joseph;
You asked:
"Whatever happened to Jim Adams' DMSA trial, you know?"

You can email Dr. Jim Adams at, jim.adams@asu.edu. or call (480) 965-3316, with your enquiries.

He is using DMSA. No ALA, and I believe the results of this (short term) study were expected by the end of 2006.

Jonsmum said...

Ghost of Christmas Future;
Evolution my arse! LOL

Jonsmum said...

For the sake of the future, we must cease all vaccinations! Evolution can not be "cured".

dgdavis64 said...

Hi John,
I'm so glad to hear Sam has made so many gains. Both my kids have made lots of gains also, but thankfully they're not as servere as Sam.
I must say all the hard work is well worth it when I see all the improvements happening.

Ghost,
Do you think if the theory of evolution is valid that we're to be evolved into a bunch of head banging idiots?
Do you think EVERY autistic kid is a savant?

This is the real world, I just want my kids to be able to have a happy life and function as best they can.

Doing nothing has not and will not assist them in achieving that.

Anonymous said...

evolution is a theory

Jonsmum said...

The "Ghost" is taking the mickey.

Anonymous said...

What a brilliant post! How could anyone reading this dispute that Sam is benefitting from your love, devotion and bloody hard work.
I, as you know, have a high-functioning autistic boy and prior to diagnosis things were tough. Prior to all the hard work we put in place things were hard. Things are heaps easier now, and he was high functioning!
You deserve more credit and admiration than what the "nitwits" could possibly muster were they to agree with you.
I honestly don't know and don't care what the cause of Sam's autism is or whether chelation is the answer, but the fact he is improving is testament to the fact that you, as a dedicated parent, are doing something very right. To stop what you are doing now would be a form of child abuse.
You have my support John.
Well done mate!

Anonymous said...

Sorry forgot to sign last post

Rossco

Fore Sam said...

Thanks, Ross.

Erik Nanstiel said...

Joseph, that study claiming cognitive impairment with DMSA was an animal study.

Tell me, were the animals lead or mercury toxic to begin with? And were their vital minerals supplemented on their "off days?"

Just giving DMSA without need, or with proper nutrition would be very damaging, indeed. That's why it's not an over-the-counter drug, and requires a qualified doctor's guidance.

Anonymous said...

I think you should add Christschool to your neurodiverse wackos> See here: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=christschool

ghost of christmas future said...

Evolution is fact. Vaccinations clear the pathways. The only discomfort exists in the minds of those who resist the true destiny of humanity and refuse to embrace the brave new world. It is true that all Autistics are savants. The exceptions are the poor unfortunates who are exposed to poor quality sustenance. Something impossible to blame on medicine. A poor diet results in reduced attention and adversely affects the child's evolutionary development. The weblog owner is fully responsible for the discomfort provided by the constipation of his offspring and the immense diversion to removing the metallic substances that he himself placed there through inappropriate dietary habits.

Joseph said...

Tell me, were the animals lead or mercury toxic to begin with? And were their vital minerals supplemented on their "off days?"

The ones that were not lead toxic are the ones who suffered cognitive impairment. The ones that were lead toxic (and I understand they were really lead toxic, not just a little high on their lead burden) might have suffered cognitive impairment as well, but they also benefited from chelation. I don't know all the details offhand.

Just giving DMSA without need, or with proper nutrition would be very damaging, indeed.

Certainly. Now, has John ever tested Sam for heavy metals? This "dedicated parent" has admitted he didn't.

The "dedicated parent" also said the following recently:

"The damn autism got in the way of my golf game and cost me a fortune by not having the time to play horses."

And this about his son:

"If he dies young, I will rejoice for him that he has excaped the nightmare that was his life."

Fore Sam said...

Hey Joe;
If Sam improved, doesn't that prove that testing him would've been a waste of money, especially since we had already tested to rule out genetics?
Aren't I entitled to my pursuit of happiness while I deal with the damn autism?

Joseph said...

If Sam improved, doesn't that prove that testing him would've been a waste of money, especially since we had already tested to rule out genetics?

No, if you're at all familiar with various placebo-controlled autism trials of various things. They often find significant gains on placebo over a period of several weeks. Even if the active treatment has adverse cognitive effects compared to placebo, you might still see gains on the active treatment. This is roughly what happened with Secretin (which at one point was claimed to be a cure) although the differences with placebo were not statistically significant to be able to claim conclusively that Secretin caused any damage.

Fore Sam said...

Joe; Sam's chelation has been over two years so far. I say the gains prove I did the right thing, testing or not. DMSA challenge tests can be dangerous by using way too much DMSA at one time.
When you have to weigh the cost of testing versus making a mortgage payment, testing to confirm what you already know is pointless.

dgdavis64 said...

ghost of christmas future said...

"Evolution is fact."

Everything you said after this, I ignored.

Prove it.

Unless you think we should give credit to your circular logic for some reason we're unaware of?

Fore Sam said...

The ghost of Xmas future is clearly a nitwit. That's why it has to use a pseudonym.

Anonymous said...

'Evolution is a fact'

Then why is it called "The Theory of Evolution" ?
Show us a textbook that says "The Fact of Evolution"

Fore Sam said...

There may be some truth to Evolution. Neurodiverse nitwits may have evolved into chimps.

Anonymous said...

Neurodiverse nitwits may have evolved into chimps.
-

I think they rather suffer from a disease, perhaps this

Ghost of Christmas Future said...

Evolution is fact. I have no desire to engage in a debate based on your scepticism and the subsequent evil that it creates. If you are unable to accept the clear and honest view in front of your eyes then you are blinded by the darkness of fabrication. You will topple over the precipice and remain in the crater of deception until you accept your fate - and only at that point can you be saved.

Fore Sam said...

Ghost;
Evolution was a theory contrived by idle minded simpletons who thought they were smarter than God. Those of us who know that nobody is smarter than God pay no heed to such lunacy. If monkeys evolved into men, why are there still monkeys?

Anonymous said...

Is this Christmas freak Soapboxmom. She's the only autism ND weirdo that I have seen push there is no God.

Joseph said...

If monkeys evolved into men, why are there still monkeys?

Your grasp of science is outstanding, John. What else could we expect from you?

Humans and monkeys have a common ancestor, which obviously must be a primate, but not necessarily "monkeys".

Similarly, all humans must have a common ancestor, a human being.

Humans and zebras have a common ancestor, a mammal of some kind obviously, and so on.

The evidence from genome distance and so forth is overwhelming. It wouldn't make sense to discuss it here, though you obviously ignore it all.

So there's the 'theory' of evolution, which refers to the model that explains how current species came to be. Then there is the 'fact' of evolution, which refers to the undeniable fact that the frequency of alleles in a population changes over time.

Fore Sam said...

Joe; Have you considered that God knew how to use the same alleles when he created different species?
Sorry Joe, all the scientists have done here is identify some of the tools that God used. Monkeys will never evolve into men. However, Neurodiverse nitwits might evolve into competent human beings with chelation.

Joseph said...

It's always possibly to say 'God did it' to explain anything. For example, you could claim God created the Earth 6,000 years ago, but made it look as though it's much older.

Science cannot rely on 'God did it' (non)explanations, otherwise there would be no progress in scientific knowledge. Science relies on falsifiable hypotheses and empirical, reproducible evidence.

I know you disklike science, which explains much of your worldview.

Fore Sam said...

Joe; Science only attempts to explain that which God knows. You will never know what God knows and there's no point in trying.
Was it science that put untested mercury into vaccines? It was science that gave us the answer of how to get the mercury out of poisoned kids. I say it's you who refuses to pay attention and learn from science.
You agree with professional scientists who poisoned babies but you disagree with not for profit scientists who are helping to cure those poisoned children. We see that your opinion of the science agrees with those who profit from it. You are not looking at the science objectively.

Joseph said...

When researchers disagree, you have to look at the merits of the research, and the credibility of the researchers. You've decided to continue to believe in Geier & Geier, despite their activities which include plagiarism, creating fake IRBs and so forth. I've actually read their research, which I can assure you is garbage. If anyone is trying to profit from autism it's those who are trying to profit from its potential treatment (and have no qualms about making alliances with "Big Pharma" in the process).

Fore Sam said...

Joseph; The measure of the Geier's is in the kids who benefit from Lupron. Whatever else they do towards that end doesn't matter.
If your idiot, Kathleen was any sort of journalist, she'd talk to parents who use Lupron and report their experiences. Snatching out of context quotes from unsuspecting parents is not honest.

the real mccoy said...

There is more profit in encouraging paranoia than there is in selling legal drugs. Emotion charged reactions lead to spending more money. The chelation providers make more money by giving parents false hope so they spend more on it.

So who are the greedy doctors really?

And who is really the sucker?

Fore Sam said...

McCoy;
Your kid is the sucker. It is stuck with a knucklehead for a parent who's not smart enough to help it. Andy Cutler's not being paid a dime by the 6,800 people who seek his advice. Now, why don't you shut up and pay attention. You might learn how to help your kid.

Jonsmum said...

The real McCoy;

"There is more profit in encouraging paranoia than there is in selling legal drugs."

Just a thought, but who do you think manufacture these legal chelating drugs?
Could it possibly be the greedy, profiteering pharmaceutical companies?

the real mccoy said...

Yes, and chelation is an expensive treatment. They are loving you because you are playing right into their hands with your own paranoia.

So again - who is the sucker?

Jonsmum said...

McCoy;
What do you know about me?
It's not a hard question and you know the answer.
Just what knowledge do you have of who you call a "sucker"?

Anonymous said...

Does know a damn thing. But now let's try the same with this guy. Calls themself "The Real McCoy" (Unlike others who represent themselves as...hmm...Jonsmum,Foresam,etc) and wants to tell people they are "suckers".
What can we assume? Anonymous Internet tough guy? Just a big ego - righteous but not right? Masking the fact that he hasn't got the mental capacity to engage in constructive rhetoric?
Of course this may not be correct.
If it is not then it would also be similarly correct that his attempts at judging you guys is floored.
If it is correct then he is a waste of blogging space.

Anonymous said...

No edit button. Should have read "Doesn't know a damn thing". In my anger forgot to sign off.

Rossco

Jonsmum said...

Rossco;
It's always the anonymous "tough guys" who make the 'brave' and stupid/ignorant comments.
"The Real McCoy" doesn't have the guts to comment under their "Real" name.
BTW, I recognised your comment without you signing it.
By the same token, I think the ironically named "Real McCoy" may be Phil.

the real mccoy said...

Who is this Phil you think I am?

Dudes, you keep feeding the drug combines money for chelation. It's ongoing right? $10 to $30 a month. Do the math - you're putting smiles on the faces of the drug companies. The companies you are so keen to put down. They're playing you, suckers!

Anonymous said...

I'd rather spend $30 a month on chelation than $125 a month on Ritalin or adderall.

Anonymous said...

"Teachers need to learn that they can do their jobs a lot more effectively if the children they are teaching are receiving the medical treatment they need to remove the poison that caused the autism." This makes a lot of sense! I've been reading through your whole blog & what you say seems so rationale to me. The only other thing we've done is to make sure no more mercury or other heavy metals or toxins (that we know of ...) are going back in.

An example for us was the aluminum poisoning (besides our mercury problem). I found we had aluminum cookware, some cheese have aluminum, cans etc. And as I already said no more fish here (due to mercury & other contaminants).

wrg said...

Fore Sam: 'The word "MAY" is the important one here. What if the CDC told us that thimerosal may cause autism in 1 in 166? 165 parents would win that bet. Pretty good odds, wouldn't you say?'

That's an interesting hypothetical. It presents me with a bit of a problem, since I'm the type you'd call a member of the Cult of Neurodiversity, even though (and I expect you'll ignore this, because it challenges your false dichotomy) I regard autism as a condition that can cause quite a bit of trouble for the affected. Off the cuff, I'd say that I'd be concerned enough to weigh risks vs. benefits, in that case, and would be careful about thimerosal. I could probably use some education about actual autistics in making up my mind, were this hypothetical true; thanks, but you can keep the "education" from the "autism epidemic" claimants.

But now that you've asked your question, turnabout is fair play. Back in the real world, the CDC has AFAIK only released data that could be interpreted 1 in 166 American incidence as a worst case and continues to support the scientific concensus that there is no reason to believe that thimerosal causes autism. Furthermore, the data has still not shown that removing thimerosal from many vaccines has reduced the incidence of autism, as it should have if vaccines with thimerosal were a cause (even if not the only cause) of autism. I've yet to see you acknowledge that this is pretty much the last straw for the notion that administering thimerosal to children in vaccines caused their autism, but that's precisely why you've switched to the fallback position that it's due to flu vaccines administered to mothers.

Now you seem to expect your latest claim to be believed by default, asking on Respectful Insolence (search for "John Best") for scientists to disprove it and apparently believing that you win by default until they do. I'm afraid reason doesn't work that way, or scientists would be writing about the Santa Claus, Zeus, Shiva, and angels. After all, some believe in each of these, and I don't recall any papers disproving them.

So, my question: What could ever convince you that thimerosal does not cause autism?

BTW, to those commenting on names, I've certainly wondered at the chutzpah of calling oneself "Common Sense", one particularly strident antivaxer. Just as well I work in mathematics, so I'm not tempted to call myself "Authoritative Scientist". Calling oneself "Real McCoy"... eh, there may be some merit to complaints. Still, got any better comebacks than "You don't know me!" or insult by amateur psychoanalysis?

Fore Sam said...

"Furthermore, the data has still not shown that removing thimerosal from many vaccines has reduced the incidence of autism, as it should have if vaccines with ..."
It looks like your key word is "many". Since we don't know exactly how much of this poison it takes to cause autism, there can be no proof until it is gone from all vaccines.
But, we already have that proof from the Amish and the mainstream doctors in Chicago who opted not to poison babies. All we're dealing with now is to what lengths the drug industry will go to keep poisoning babies to make itself look innocent. I think they are pretty sure how much it takes to cause the autism since the rates skyrocketed after they started using the HepB on the day of birth, before babies develop a blood brain barrier. You can play games with studies skewed to show one thing or another ad infinitum but you can't deny the existence of all these children who can't function at all that mysteriously appeared after the thimerosal increased.
The only thing that's important through all of this is how to help the kids. Chelation looks like the best solution so far. If you're not concerned with the best method of helping the kids, you're just arguing extraneously. If you disagree that the kids need help, you're insane.

Mich said...

The only way to cure us is death from too much blood lost, or possibly from damaging our brains more. So yeah, medical treatment, or getting shot, but shooting's too obviously murdering to use on someone without getting a tiny sentence by court that would be much higher if the kid wasn't autistic.

Fore Sam said...

Mich, You admit you have brain damage. That a good starting point. Now, the avenue you should pursue is investigating whether or not that brain damage is reversible.

Anonymous said...

Mich is an example of an Autistic who's been taught to hate himself. He should stop because he's wrong. He's not brain damaged. Foresam is - damaged by bigotry.

Fore Sam said...

Anonymous twerp, Hating the fact that babies were poisoned is not bigotry you ignorant slug. My son's brain was damaged by mercury and I'm trying to help him. Too bad your negligent parents won't help you.

Anonymous said...

John.

It's so good to hear how far Sams' come. We jsut need to pray that the corrupt son of a bitches at the FDA don't outlaw chelation when more kids start recovering.

Peggy

Anonymous said...

You know I have been thinking about this for a long time. Just some food for thought. Knowing how far the Government has gone to cover this up, what makes us think that the mercury has been taken out of the vaccines? Because they say its been taken out. Knowing what we know, we meaning those who have followed this controversy for about ten years. Those of us who have listened to the Dan Burton hearings. The lies these people have been caught in. The fact that not one faced any charges. Is it that far a stretch to think they would lie about taking the thimerisol out, and keeping it in just so the numbers would not drop. I forget now who it was that was testifying at one of the IOM meetings (another sham) making a statement about finding the full amount of thimersiol in one of the vaccines, after it was supposedly removed. In fact he even found it in the MMR vaccine. I don't mean to downplay the autism issue, but take a really good look at what is going on. The Vioxx scandal for one. The FDA attacked one of its own scientists for exposing this drug as a killer. The trillions of dollars that have gone into cancer research and still they rely on toxic chemo, and radiation to to treat it. The HIV hoax, that we know was spread by contaminated needles in Africa, but was originally cooked up in one of our own labratories and injected into gays via the hep vaccine. The aids drugs that they use that destroy the immune system that creates aids. Out FDA that is trying to destroy our access to vitamins, and alternative treatments. Whne you start to look at all of this and put the pieces of the puzzle together a very frightening picture begins to immerge that makes Joseph Mengala look like mother Theresa. Yes it is about money and power, but it is also bigger than that, and much more frightening.

Peggy

Anonymous said...

Hating the fact that babies were poisoned is not bigotry you ignorant slug.

Yes it is, because they weren't. You are the ignorant slug, blinded by your own brain damage - bigot.

Anonymous said...

But, we already have that proof from the Amish and the mainstream doctors in Chicago who opted not to poison babies. All we're dealing with now is to what lengths the drug industry will go to keep poisoning babies to make itself look innocent.

John the Amish don't vaccinate at all. Even if they remove all the thimerisol, there is still the aluminum. What is most amazing is that mercury, and aluminum are amoung the most neurotoxic elements know, second only to uranium. How in GOD's name can there be a debate. It reminds me of Julie Gudtenberg from the IOM saying in an interview. "Well we know mercury is not good for you, but that does not mean it causes autism" Duh! OK then what the hell does it cause?

Peggy

Anonymous said...

Dr Lawrence Diller, author of the book, "Should I Medicate My Child," stated in language relevant here, while testifying before an FDA advisory committee in September 2004, regarding the conduct of companies concealing the adverse effects of drugs and promoting off-label prescribing:

"The blame is clear: The money, power and influence of the pharmaceutical industry corrupt all. The pervasive control that the drug companies have over medial research, publications, professional organizations, doctors' practices, Congress, and yes, even agencies like the FDA, is the American equivalent of a drug cartel."


I guess that about says it all.

Peggy

Fore Sam said...

Peggy, I think the lunatic here is a nut from Australia named Phil who's too stupid to try to cure himself. It doesn't matter what you say to him. He can't learn. I think he also has MR.

Phil said...

Why bring me up again, Best? Are you obsessed with me now? That explains your refusal to delete all the posts with my full name on it.

And obsession leads to stalking. Strike three - you're out! Now where's that email addy for the New Hampshire State Police again?

Fore Sam said...

Phil, You should be proud of the posts with your name on them. That makes you stand out from the rest of the neurodiverse cowards who love to insult people anonymously.

phil said...

John, I want you to listen to this, and listen carefully.

Since I first posted on this blog, I was angry (and I still am). Angry with you and your friends using your first amendment rights to the detriment of others who have CHOSEN to take a different path to the one you have chosen for your son. Ever since I came on here you have gone out of your way to paint me as "brain damaged", "insane", "needing help" (as in chelation and nothing else), and so on. And you have shown absolutely no respect for what sort of effect that has had on me.

And even when I slowed up my posting to a dribble - you didn't let up.

Why?

I know the reason. It's been painted by other people. You are determined to change the world, and that includes those of us who have chosen to live with our disorders and make the best fist of it that we can. You have shown absolutely no respect for that choice - a choice we have the right to make as human beings. And this also applies to Kevin Leitch, Kathy Seidel, Michelle Dawson, and every other ASD person and supporter who exists on the same side of the fence to me.

The reality is - all you are doing is upsetting and angering us. As a direct result of your publication of my full name, you attracted a convicted stalker, and a known threat, and a known defamer who I am presently attempting to serve the documents he so desperately wants (see that last post of the "Who is PG" thread). You don't care that you are wrecking my Internet life, a crucial aspect of my routine. And you don't care about others in the same boat.

I know you'll say "So go and get chelated and your problems will be solved".

I say - I am an Aspie. That is who I am. I have the right to make the choice and accept it about myself, and neither you nor anyone else on this blog can take that away from me. You in fact have no right to try and influence my life decisions, especially by the bully boy tactics you have employed.

You have adversely affected my life with the publication of my full name, and the abuse you have dealt out to me. You may argue that I asked for it. When I first came on here I tried to make you see reason. You attacked me first, and everything after that was in retaliation and self defence.

I am asking you as a human being, to stop - now. I am asking you to remove my full name from wherever it is in this blog, because of the damage it has caused with the people you have attracted here - people that would never have posted otherwise. You do not realise - or even care - about the damage you are doing to me. Severe and upsetting damage that is affecting my life and my routine. If you have any regard for human life, you'll stop and do as I ask. You have done enough. In fact you have done too much. You have made me hate even more. You have made me afraid. Is that what you wanted? To scare me? Well you succeeded. But you won't make me do something I don't believe in and will never believe in - and you have no right to even try. Persisting will only prove that you do not respect the choices of the individual - especially in a country where the laws are different such as Australia, where freedom of speech comes with a price tag called accountability.

And what did you make me afraid of? People like you - who will stop at nothing to force us to engage in a medical treatment that is not verified to "cure Autism". And in the process holding back the true understanding of all ASD's, which is needed no matter what you say.

If you have any human decency about you, please do as I ask. And leave us alone. Spreading hate will only harm your cause - whether I agree with it or not (and I don't). Someone else said some time ago to just concentrate on your son. I agree. You are not emotionally qualified to be the voice of this treatment because you are filled with too much anger and hate yourself to be a reliable voice that can or should be listened to by those who make the important decisions. I have no doubt that you are being laughed at by those authorities - while people who believe the same as you are certain to be pleading that you (to quote Cutting Edge) STFU.

I will be interested to read your reply to this. Do I get an ounce of respect? Or do I get abused again? Let's see shall we?

Fore Sam said...

Phil, You're probably not the only person who feels this way amidst this debate. I think I'll use your comment here for a post and see if the chief invaders of privacy from your camp want to opt to cease that practice.
You brought it on yourself. Those from my side who have been abused never confronted assholes like Leitch and Seidel.

Phil said...

I never brought the privacy thing on myself. You did that, as did Susan - and what it caused was as a result your fault. I maintain it would never have happened if you just stuck to my first name - as you should have. The privacy laws in Australia are far tougher than they are in the US - and as (under international precedent) this privacy breach has occurred in Australia - ie it is where I viewed it - Australian Law applies.

But....let's see what happens with your new post. I assume you are trying to prove that they won't be back. The stalker won't be (unless he's a complete idiot because he has been warned by the police about that), but I'm not so sure about the other two. Especially the defamer.

Oh, and on Kevin and Kath - they have access to a lot of support. You and the others know that so you leave them alone because they scare you. You concentrate on those who don't have the same level of support - like me and to a degree Michelle.

Fore Sam said...

Phil, Just as an aside here, Kevin and Kathleen make me laugh. They are two jackasses extraodinaire. They are scared to death of me. That's why they are afraid to let me post any comments on their blogs. Neither of them have the brains or the guts to defend themselves. I'm very busy now Phil so I might not get to this issue for a week or more. In fact, I may never get around to it.

Phil said...

No - they won't allow you to comment because they have standards to uphold. They see you as below their standard. It's called standing on principle. Funny that - because their blogs have an aim and it succeeds. Your blog has an aim as well, and it fails. Why? Because you allow anybody to comment. You say it's to demonstrate how many idiots there are. I say it devalues your stated aim - which is why Kev and Kath are NOT scared of you. I wouldn't be either if it wasn't for your shameless pursuit of me through my forum (which you will never get approval on) or the petition which the hosts have fixed up - as well as the privacy breach and the direct bullying.

And if you have enough time to come in here - you have enough time to do what you said you were going to do. So do it.

Fore Sam said...

Phil, Kathleen and Kev are intellectual cowards. They both act like children when they are faced with something that makes them look bad. Instead of standing up to it like adults, they pretend there is no opposition by deleting comments. They have a deranged agenda that harms you, Phil. If you can curb your temper and your paranoia, you might learn something here.

phil said...

Your agenda is the one that is deranged, Best. Not theirs. Yours eminates from sheer hate for the condition itself. Don't duck it. That is what you act out - the anger. If that's not derangement I'm a candidate for the Whitehouse next year!!

That's why they are blocking you. Because YOU are the deranged one - not them.

Grow up.

Fore Sam said...

Wrong Phil, people who intentionally harm children are insane. Those who take sides with the CDC are harming children.

Anonymous said...

Phil,

You fail to understand that you cannot call out others and try to claim that they are so horrible when you turn around and do the same behaviour. I have seen you "out" (for the lack of a better term) people on your own website. Why do you get so angry when John does it? Your buddy Kev Leitch has done the same numerous times on his site as has Kathleen. You CAN'T have it both ways.

phil said...

Why do you get so angry when John does it?

Because he doesn't mod out the consequences. I do. So does Kevin, Kathy and Michelle. We are responsible people. Best is not.

Wrong Phil, people who intentionally harm children are insane.

This is why you are dangerous, Best, because you aren't thinking. You don't understand that you could be harming your son - as I explained to Susan on the Brian Deer thread. You are doing something new. You can say all you want about 60 years of chelation. You preach that you are right, and anyone who disagrees is insane and harming children. That's low, it's wrong and it asks for the sorts of commentary you have been receiving.

You are extremely dangerous to the fabric of understanding conditions like ASD's.

YOU are insane.

That is my final post on this blog.

Fore Sam said...

Phil, I saw your picture. You're very naive. The people who want you to believe that mercury did not cause the autism epidemic do not have your best interests in mind.

concerned said...

A question, Fore Sam? How do you know what is in Phillip's best interests? Do you really know him, or anyone else you have abused on this blog? Or are you stereotyping him? If you are then I must agree with Phillip. You are insane.

Fore Sam said...

Concerned, Becoming normal instead of celebrating brain damage is in Phil's best interest. I have not abused anyone who didn't ask for it.

concerned said...

Becoming normal instead of celebrating brain damage is in Phil's best interest.

And who are you to say what is in his best interests, sir?

I say - I am an Aspie. That is who I am. I have the right to make the choice and accept it about myself, and neither you nor anyone else on this blog can take that away from me.

It would appear to me that Phillip has made his choice and will not change it. As I understand the condition, routine is necessary. It seems you are attempting to interfere with Phillip's routine and it would seem intentionally. It is no wonder Phillip is angry with you and I feel that anger is justified. I agree with him when he says he has thr right to choose. Who are you to take the choice away from him. Whether or not you agree with his choice is an irrelevant argument.

I therefore recommend strongly that you move on and forget all about him. He has stated that he has made his final post.

Although I do recall him stating that before?

Mich said...

"Mich, You admit you have brain damage. That a good starting point. Now, the avenue you should pursue is investigating whether or not that brain damage is reversible."

It is reversible only by death, only by me giving into suicide for no reason. I also don't care if I am brain-damaged, because..... *eyes Fore-Sam* ....there will always be someone much more hypocritical and brain-damaged in the world than me.....!

Mich said...

"Phil, I saw your picture. You're very naive. The people who want you to believe that mercury did not cause the autism epidemic do not have your best interests in mind."


"Autism Epidemic"? Seriously, your hate blog is making me uber-sick, and not from mercury poisoning.