Monday, February 06, 2006

Neurodiverse Distortions of VAERS

Some people with an axe to grind seem to enjoy cluttering up the internet with utter nonsense about autism. I can only guess what motivates this obfuscation of the truth. I read one instance of such nonsense today that made me laugh. This writer claimed that a known quack had filed a report with VAERS claiming that a vaccine had turned him into the Incredible Hulk. The quack allowed VAERS to remove the report after they asked his permission. This was supposed to show how inept VAERS was.
It's interesting that this same writer had no qualms about Verstraeten's use of VAERS to keep rewriting a report that showed an association between mercury and autism until his bosses were satisfied that he made the study look favorably upon those vaccine manufacturers who poison babies with mercury.
This same writer claims that the VAERS database is extremely unreliable. How come that wouldn't nullify Verstraeten's most recent hogwash? This guy uses it to wave away the Geier's findings but neglects to mention Verstraeten. He also neglects to mention that the CDC hid the data the Geier's wanted to see by storing it with a private company to keep them from publicizing the truth that the vaccine manufacturers don't want known. It would be counter to his interests to mention the millions in Campaign contributions to those politicians who appoint the head of the CDC and could fire her quickly if she acted in the best interests of babies rather than drug company profits.
There is also the mention of privacy issues as a below the belt jab at the Geier's. There is no privacy issue involved. That's just another low blow by someone who won't admit the truth that his colleagues made a huge mistake by poisoning babies into autism. I seriously doubt the Geiers had a nefarious intention. They were simply trying to find the facts and no privacy was going to be jeopardized by whatever they found. I didn't see any mention in this blatant attempt to deceive the reader of the blockades put up by the CDC to prevent the Geier's from enhancing their proof that thimerosal causes autism.
Then there was the laughable reference to litigation. We are supposed to believe that that falsely makes the numbers for autism look larger. The true fact is that they don't look large enough. Since our paid for politicians have prevented most of the thimerosal injured children from filing under NVICP thanks to the 3 year statute of limitations, the majority of these children poisoned into autism are out of luck. The Geier's didn't give us the proof that mercury causes autism until 2003. Most parents didn't have this information in time to file under NVICP because they were already beyond the statute. Even though some of us knew that mercury caused autism before that thanks to the scientists at Simpsonwood, we were still beyond statute and the drug companies thusly escaped having to pay for their crimes of negligence.
The friends of Neurodiversity just never give up trying to hide the truth about thimerosal. Their shameful arguments of half-truths may fool unsuspecting readers but they can't fool all of the people. The real shame is that the doctors who helped cause the autism epidemic refuse to help the kids they poisoned.

13 comments:

Anonymous said...

Verstraeten used the Vaccine Safety Datalink, which are actual medical records provided by HMO's for the purposes of studying immunization-related issues.

VAERS is just a garbage pail of adverse reaction reports - some accurate, some not. A fair portion come from laypeople. The Geiers' use of it has been deemed inappropriate by the AAP and IOM.

You're obviously confusing the VSD and VAERS. If you can't get that right, then the rest of your tripe is just that - tripe.

Fore Sam said...

Anonymous;
So, your opinion of which set of statistics is better is supposed to discredit those who want to help poisoned kids as opposed to those who are trying to cover up their crime. Does it really matter where Verstraeten got his data if he has to keep rewriting it until the criminals are satisfied that it makes them look innocent?
Wasn't it AAP members who injected the mercury into the babies? Saying that they find any data inappropriate is like saying Saddam Hussein finds mention of his poisoning his own people inappropriate.

Anonymous said...

You can't make up your own facts
All people are entitled to their own opinions. However, they are not entitled to make up their own facts. Facts are facts, truth is truth, and evidence is evidence. Not every disagreement is a "he-said she-said" argument---often the truth is ascertainable. The distinction needs to be kept in mind in our national debates and discussions. If we care about solving problems, we need to care about identifying and using truthful and accurate information. One who is not interested in facts and places one's ideology over the problem at hand is also not interested in the consequences.

Fore Sam said...

Anon;
You don't seem too interested in the FACT that the CDC hid the data after the Geier's proved that thimerosal caused autism. Is it some kind of fact that reports from HMO's are better than reports from parents?
Will you claim it'snot a FACT that the Amish have virtually no autism.

Anonymous said...

fore scam,

Yes, it's important where Verstraeten got his data. The VSD is actual medical records, which are more reliable.

The only proof you have the data was manipulated are out-of-context emails and nonsensical Simpsonwood transcript analysis put forth by SafeMinds - you know, that group whose leader is suing drug companies and wants them "to pay" for her son's autism.

And that CDC data is REALLY hidden. So hidden that they just promote access to the VSD right on their website.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/r&d/rdc.htm

They might have destroyed the Geiers' illegal datasets, but the raw data is still there for anyone who wants it. Of course, that would require someone to actually apply to access the data - which to my knowledge hasn't happened. Maybe SafeMinds could spend their $100K per year on that research rather than more of Mady Horning's mouse nonsene.

Me8 said...

Those are your own set of "facts" to which you are not entitled. Facts are facts, truth is truth, and evidence is evidence.

You've yet to produce so much as one of these yet I have no doubt you think you possess all three.

Unfortunately we all have traits that can only be judged by others. Objectivity, for example, physical beauty, intelligence, kindness, honesty, patience, driving skills while intoxicated, etc.

Where I can certainly claim to be rich or poor in any of these virtues, I am forced to depend on external validation via public opinion.

At some point in the game you are expected to show your cards or the bluff is exposed.

Fore Sam said...

Anon;
I disagree that medical records are more reliable. Doctors don't usually diagnose autism. It's usually some psychology type that gives the diagnosis, which means it may never find its way into a medical record. Parents reports to VAERS would certainlynot include all autism since many parents never heard of it. I think the most reliable numbers are those from the schools.
Instead of using mice, maybe Hornig could use people like autism Diva who claim thimerosal won't hurt them and Offitt. Think of the bonus where they wouldn't be able to run their mouths if the thimerosal turns them autistic.

Fore Sam said...

ME8;
You are under the mistaken notion that this is a science debate with your rules in place governing all discussion. The money and politics are much more important than the science here. We already have proof that mercury causes autism and that chelation cures it. It's just a matter of time before those of us with our heads screwed on straight blow up the coverup. Then, neurodiversity will have to admit they made a huge error by advising parents to harm their children by leaving the mercury in their brains.

Me8 said...

Fore Sam said...
ME8;
You are under the mistaken notion that this is a science debate with your rules in place governing all discussion


ROFL, I may be mistaken about a lot of things but I am most definitely not under the impression this is a science debate.

Maybe that's the problem. Every time you try to introduce something resembling science it's dismantled within a few comments. You've retreated to the relative safety of what you do Best. HATING.

Well hate on, little man.
Maybe someday one of your heroes will invent chelation for anger and hatred and your sunny disposition will be proof it works. Have a nice day.

Fore Sam said...

ME8;
Maybe the voting public will wise up someday and only elect those who don't take any campaign contributions from criminals. That would make me smile.
It won't happen. Too many knuckleheads like neurodiversity with their heads up their ass.

Anonymous said...

Hey, I posted a bunch of information proving that thimerosal doesn't cause autism and now it's gone! Did you delete it John? Couldn't handle the truth I guess, huh?

Fore Sam said...

Anon;
I didn't delete anything. Check the mercury level in your brain, it might be early Alzheimer's.

Anonymous said...

Yes you did. It was right there and I saw it and now it's gone. The fact that it's gone is proof that it was deleted, don't you see? I'll try again but if it disappears again it will prove my point. You delete anything that proves autism isn't caused by mercury.

How do I check the mercury levels in my brain. Have you done it? Does it hurt?