Tuesday, March 20, 2007

Comments About Amanda (Sham) Baggs

At 15 March, 2007, Anonymous said...
An interesting little 'audio/visual rendition' of Amanda's 'group of beings' statement can be found here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88ahwuKabxU

Here's Amanda's immediate (damage control) response:

http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=333

At least this time it wasn't "my psychiatrist brainwashed and made me do it."
To her credit, she does keep it 'fresh' by periodically swapping the excuses around.

No, this time no conspiratorial mothers, no evil brainwashing shrinks;
this time it was merely the drugs, one little anti-depressant to be exact
-- one taken in 1999, a full two years after she posted this in 1997 -- that's a really amazing drug!

Amanda has a long list, advising of which things she's said that you can believe and which ones you can't.
"This was real, no that part wasn't, okay THIS was real, that part wasn't.."

Just how many of these selective instructions are people willing to take anyway?
When does not only the very existance of these instructions, but so many of them finally begin to raise its very own set of questions and doubts in people's minds?


At 20 March, 2007, Watson said...
I see the video has been removed.

"This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by a third party."

I wonder who the third party is....


At 20 March, 2007, Anonymous said...
The sly minx.
Oh what a tangled web she weaves!


At 20 March, 2007, Anonymous said...
I didn't get to see Amanda on CNN. Does anyone know if it's on you tube or anywhere else?


At 20 March, 2007, Watson said...
I don't think so, but the transcript is here:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0702/21/acd.01.html


Oh what a tangled web she weaves!

That's EXACTLY what I thought.


At 20 March, 2007, Watson said...
Amanda has a long list, advising of which things she's said that you can believe and which ones you can't. "This was real, no that part wasn't, okay THIS was real, that part wasn't.."

Yes. Reading through her posts on various forums, on her own blog and elsewhere, it's very difficult to know what's true and what's not. Although what she wrote before she found out about atypical autism is probably more accurate.

I wonder how she explains away earlier hallucinations, delusions and voices which definitely pre-date the anti-depressant....

"I have seen things all my life that weren't there, but I only started hearing voices regularly when I was eleven."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.schizophrenia/browse_thread/thread/c712bdb543fb0f16/bb73479c04694fc0?lnk=st&q=eleven&rnum=3&hl=en#bb73479c04694fc0


"As soon as I stopped speaking to her I started having memories from the elf-forest. And those memories guarded me against her continued (psychological) attacks on me." "Is it also coincidence that soon after I broke off contact with her I started showing signs of schizophrenia?"
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.schizophrenia/browse_thread/thread/62dab6bf34e3391/1bf028da398e92d2?lnk=st&q=Abby&rnum=4&hl=en#1bf028da398e92d2


"I would have hallucinations that I didn't know were related to any of this, like seeing spiders and/or butterflies literally covering the floor, crunching under my feet. I didn't like seeing flower petals and would go to great lengths to avoid them, thinking they were dead butterflies. " (Click on quoted text in first post):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.trauma-ptsd/browse_thread/thread/4360e1b8d7daa26f/d494dbb6f8b6e185?lnk=st&q=&rnum=69&hl=en#d494dbb6f8b6e185


This, after Clorazil which she took at 15-16:

"Elves, while on Clozaril. I was forced not to believe in them, and not to connect with trees in the way I had before them. I was especially not
allowed to believe that I was not human (which I'm not, for what it's worth)... those medications can take a lot out of you. I had never believed in things like demons, but I don't think it's a coincidence that it was /after/ these medications when I stopped looking to the trees and the stars and the elves and started looking to the glowing red eyes in the window... "

"They said I was "depressed" at that point, but it was a direct result of taking things out of me. There was a "hallucination" they couldn't seem to get rid of (well, they couldn't get rid of the voices most of the time either but they got rid of good things) which involved a large, spiny, fractallene, black, sometimes flashing hole."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.schizophrenia/browse_thread/thread/9e999a9424875de/c33adaad3cb8a902?lnk=st&q=Wellbutrin&rnum=35&hl=en#c33adaad3cb8a902


This is what Amanda said about the anti-depressant:

"the Wellbutrin keeps me awake I think... I'm on Seroquel/Wellbutrin/Lithium now... it doesn't make me psychotic particularly..."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.schizophrenia/browse_thread/thread/456e1a991b21d0a1/39dc0c0ce356d2db?lnk=st&q=Seroquel%2C+Lithium+and+Wellbutrin&rnum=9&hl=en#39dc0c0ce356d2db


I found this exchange from December 1998, before her PDD-NOS/atypical autism diagnosis, very interesting:

"The Others are still up there, I'm still an elf (despite other people's beliefs on that one :)) and as far as I know the "place" I came from still exists, complete with intact elves (not stuck in a human body) and whatever their kind of humans are there... and trees. And I have "thought as one" with the Others, while on medication... since this medication tends to take away that which is psychotic in me, I don't think this other stuff would be possible now if it weren't real. ":
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.schizophrenia/browse_thread/thread/9e999a9424875de/c33adaad3cb8a902?lnk=st&q=Wellbutrin&rnum=35&hl=en#c33adaad3cb8a902

After reading that, it occurred to me that despite her new diagnosis, Amanda might still believe she is an elf, sent by the Others to study humans.

Then I came across this:

http://www.autistics.org/library/conversation.html
Conversation on Institutions

Amanda: Like in my case I'm supposedly out because I'm not schizophrenic, which in part is not diagnosed simply because I stay away from the sorts of people and saying the sorts of things that worry people.

Laura: Yes. Yeah. Well in a purely practical sense, I think anybody who can get any loophole to get out of that system, can and should use any loopholes they have. Because they have no right to keep anyone, so therefore anything and everything that will keep someone out of there, including if necessary lies, it's perfectly fine with me."


So what if by not talking about delusions and hallucinations, schizophrenics can have their diagnosis changed to "resolved schizophrenia", or, like Amanda, "single episode, full remission", and then, given the 'right' background, they could fit the criteria for atypical autism - and be free to call themselves autistic?

Perhaps adults who claim to be autistic or say they have autistic traits in the family are confusing mental illness and eccentricity with autism.

For instance, Amanda wrote in 1998:

"Genetically, I have a family history on both sides of schizophrenia and on one side of perceptual disorders sometimes like autism..."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.autism/browse_thread/thread/86be5a79713db563/b8503c223bc3d350?lnk=st&q=Wellbutrin&rnum=29&hl=en#b8503c223bc3d350


But today, she talks about her successful brother who was once a low-functioning autistic who smeared, and Gupta says in the CNN transcript:


"There is a belief, though, a strong belief, Kiran, that it is genetic. Even in the case of Amanda, her brother and her father had autism as well. "

I guess he got that from Amanda, but that's not what she would have told him in 1998:

"Genetically, I have a family history on both sides of schizophrenia and on one side of perceptual disorders sometimes like autism..."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.autism/browse_thread/thread/86be5a79713db563/b8503c223bc3d350?lnk=st&q=Wellbutrin&rnum=29&hl=en#b8503c223bc3d350


I guess "autism" is currently a far more socially acceptable diagnosis - and suits the agenda.


At 20 March, 2007, Anonymous said...
Thanks Watson,

"I guess "autism" is currently a far more socially acceptable diagnosis - and suits the agenda."

I totally agree.
I think that everyone who has contributed to this thread with information and links etc, have proven without a doubt and exposed Amanda Baggs for what she really is - a lying manipulative schizophrenic, pretending to be autistic.

BTW anti psychotic drugs do not cause auditory or visual hallucinations, but LSD does...

You can fool some of the people, some of the time...

The games up Amanda.

52 comments:

maxima said...

Sorry Foresam, I didn't see your new post. I think my comment belongs here:

Thanks for posting all of those links Watson. I wonder if the intake of LSD and the rest of the drugs made her lose her ability to speak.

She sounds like she comes from a rich family and getting diagnosed as autistic is probably more socially acceptable than schizophrenia.

I know one person that took LSD and never came back as himself. I guess he could be diagnosed as autistic; has lost all ability to speak, repeats movements, can't move if there is too much noise going on around him. Before he took the drug he was considered a genius and was very articulate.

She failed by going on CNN with all that information available about her on the web.

Some advice for Amanda: "put a quarter up your ass cause you just played yourself..."
-Beastie Boys

Anonymous said...

"put a quarter up your ass cause you just played yourself..."

LOL!

You would think Amanda would make some sort of comment/response in defence of all the accusations made here. But no, nothing.
Why am I not suprised by this.

I feel sorry for the woman on you tube whose life Ms Baggs has effectively stolen and violated, but I'm also happy that this woman (we all know who she is), is now more inclined to be believed than Amanda. She must be so relieved that all this information has came out and everyone can judge for themselves who is more likely to be telling the truth.
I know who I believe.

Amanda Baggs deserves an Oscar for her role as RAIN WOMAN.

Anonymous said...

Has CNN seen all of this information? Will they admit they were scammed?

Anonymous said...

Clearly CNN knows that there are concerns about Amanda. Public on-air comment ... I'm sure that there wasn't one. Here was their response from Feb 22:


"Thursday, February 22, 2007
A note on autism
Some of the responses to Dr. Sanjay Gupta's blog about Amanda Baggs raise questions about her diagnosis and whether she is indeed a low functioning autistic. We spoke with her health care providers and reported what they told us. Also, Amanda shared her medical records with us from various providers diagnosing her as autistic. We are not in the business of diagnosing people's medical conditions. But, as in all of our stories, we conducted our own independent investigation, spoke with expert sources and reached informed conclusions.
Posted By Tim Langmaid, Managing Editor, CNN Medical News: 4:25 PM ET

Fore Sam said...

I don't suppose Amanda shared the part of her records that diagnosed her as schizophrenic.

maxima said...

I posted on her blog and she blames it all on some drugs she was put on 8 years ago?
http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=336#comments

My comment is number 37 and 40. She gets really upset if anyone qusetions her and seems to have a bunch of sheep flocking around her in her defense.

maxima said...

I don't know if this has been posted on here but the lady that calls herself Drooooopy has a video blog where she talks about how Amanda has copied her behavior:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BtNETd62Ug

This is her profile:
http://www.youtube.com/user/drooooopy

I guess Amanda formed a personal relationship with her online and stole a lot of her history. Note, this video is made before Amanda went on CNN. If you look at Dooooopy's videos there is no question that she's autistic.

RadioShack said...

What?
Amanda's doing this because she thinks she's an elf??

That might explain a few things like why we've been so stuck on this topic again, enough for her to peck all of this out on her little communicator and give me a shove and commence with it

droopy: "I'm short. Me"
me: "I know"
Droopy: "five feet. Me"
me: "yeah droops you're pretty short"
Droopy: "1.524 meters. 60 inches."
droopy: "I'm short"
(rinse and repeat and repeat, and repeat...)

As for how tall Amanda is?
According to droopy,
"Not five feet tall."
"Taller than five feet"
"taller than 1.524m 60 inches"
(etc etc)
She won't tell me Amanda's exact height, but if Amanda's ever said it where droopy could witness it I've no doubt droopy knows.

People's physical stature (and her own general lack thereof) is something droopy fixates on.

Over on Amanda's website afterlooking a bit I've found
http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=334
and after reading that as well as the comments attached, I think I can see where droopy is going with this.

If Amanda *is* in fact taller than 5'0" (which it would seem being 5'0" is what Amanda's trying to infer over there) then uhh, no pun intended, but she's sunk to a new low.

How sad and silly is this?

Fortunately a simple tape measure should be able to sort this one out.

As for Elves? Christ, I don't even know how to respond to this. What is it then, all short autistics are elves, is droopy an elf in Amanda' mind then too?
Damn.
Anyway,
Once I'm doing posting here I'm off to Ms Baggs' site to ask just how tall she is. It seems the question's been already asked once and is left unanswered. We'll see what happens.

Shouldn't be too hard of a question for her to answer I wouldn't think.

And btw, to "n." or "Natalia" or "Rita Lee," my friends call me RadioShack Jack, but you may just call me 'an interested party' (I do respite work with droopy on an on-call sub basis, I'm also a friend of her's, and as you can see, I'm already at least somewhat aware of who you are).

RadioShack said...

Natalia Rita Lee (whatever your proper name is), once asked for the email from Amanda to Droopy that included Amanda's threat to do more imitating of droopy.

Its with droopy's permission; She won't post here herself due to the 'hating autism' title I guess, and had asked me back sometime ago to stop posting, but she does read here, and I do have permission from her at this point to post this email, and as requested by Natalia.

I don't know how much background on this people have or need at this point, but this was the point at which Amanda was threatening specifically to make specific claim s to droopy's catalystic event of typing on an old typewriter when she was in a grouphome, typing Beatles related text to be specific, droopy's obession with The Beatles, and there were other things that predated this but these were the two that really set droopy off that I am aware of.

The only editing to this email was the removal of both Amanda's and droopy's current email addresses, otherwise the text is left unchanged.
There are a couple of glaring and very telling things 'wrong with this picture' as I look at it, but I will leave it for the rest of you to see what you make of it other than to point out the 're" in the title, this is in response to Droopy's having already sent an email with this title 'don't write to me unless' informing Ms Baggs that an agreement where no more talk of personal experiences or 'what its like being autistic' sounded fine with her (and this is Amanda's response, showing how much use she would have for an arrangement like that with droopy):

From : A M Baggs
Sent : Sunday, December 3, 2006 7:00 AM
To : "Droopy"
Subject : Re: Please don't write to me unless...


On Saturday 02 December 2006 20:10, you wrote:

> If it was a mere matter of 'having something in common' the issue wouldn't
> even exist.

I told you not to please write to me until you had this worked out. Please
drop it. The things you claim I made up (intentionally or unintentionally)
are verifiable by plenty of people who have known me my entire life (and in
fact I went and verified every last one of them with three different people
who were there at the time of various things, just in case you were right and
I had completely lost my mind), so your claims that I just absorb these
things from you are nonsense. You are very far out of touch with reality in
this regard and I refuse to be dragged into it any further than I have.
Please talk to your counselor and other friends about this if you still have
problems with it (and I urge you to please give your counselor *all* my
emails on the topic). Don't talk to me about it.

I am done discussing this with you, that means I am done discussing *the
entire situation* with you. Please do not write to me again until you get
over this. I am willing to talk with you *in public* about *totally
unrelated topics*, not privately, and not about this. You have already
unfairly encroached enough on my life by among other things forbidding a
topic that I was already well on my way to including in one of my videos (I
might still do it, so don't watch any new videos of mine if you don't want to
see it, I'm sick of your insistence on controlling me with your irrational
parts), which I was almost willing to overlook until you started essentially
forbidding anything you'd mentioned before I had a chance to -- I knew you
could destroy large portions of my life this way and I was not going to sit
around and take it. If you'd happened to live in a yellow or grey house
growing up (I have no clue if you did or not) it was pretty clear you'd try
to forbid that from my life too.

A hint:

I don't encroach on your life by having things in common with it -- it *feels*
like an attack to you, it *feels* like I make things up deliberately or
non-deliberately, but feeling is not the same thing as reality and I have
several witnesses to every experience you insist didn't happen to me.

You do encroach on my life by forbidding me to mention parts of it on pain of
irrational tirades. That places *genuine restrictions*, not just felt ones,
on experiences I am allowed to have had, and it requires that I make a liar
of myself in order to please you, which is something I'm willing to do for
nobody. That lowers my overall quality of life for the duration of time I am
involved with you, and is invasive and disrespectful. Nobody should have to
put up with that being done to them.

I will be friends with you (which includes, willing to receive private email
from you) once you get over these particular fears and cognitive distortions.
Until then, our friendship is on hold, even if that proves to last forever.
You said you accept responsibility for your actions: This is the consequence
of insisting your friends don't exist and shouldn't talk about their real
lives because you insist they're not real -- they will get tired of it and
leave. If you want that, by all means continue, but I will have no part of
it.

I'm done. I am no longer willing to discuss this with you. Please stop
writing to me. Any further emails to me will be deleted unread (I didn't
think I would have to take that step because I thought you understood, but
hopefully this will make it clear). I will not be further drawn into your
warping of reality (and keep in mind, this is *three-times-over verified*
reality you're warping, so even if you're doing it unintentionally, I have
proof that what I say is true). I have a life and I intend to live it, with
or without your approval, and *totally* without the constraints you try to
place upon it. I don't have your fears and I spend enough of my time trying
to get over my own irrational fears that I don't need to be shackled by
someone else's as well.

--
A M Baggs

Fore Sam said...

This is a very long response to something that most people would probably ignore if it wasn't true. Liars go to great lengths to try to cover up being exposed. Sort of like the drug companies ordering Verstraeten to keep doing rewrites.
One would think Kathleen Seidel would want to write a Significant Misrepresentations piece about this in the interest of truth.

Anonymous said...

Amanda,
Me thinks thou doth protest too much....

RadioShack said...

For Pete's sake...
http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=334#comment-39497

Maybe if somebody else gets over there ans asks she'll answer, who knows? How trivial and stupid is this?

I've discovered a couple of more interesting things:

Droopy's made a page about this that you might find to be of interest:

http://copycatchronicles.blogspot.com/
(go droopy, good girl, I think this may have been a very smart move on her part)

and Laura Tisoncik (Amanda's Cohort) illegally copyrighted a work of droopy's for their webpage several years ago. Droopy conceded to Laura's offer to give acknoledgement to droopy's authorship (no one else's works were illegeally copyrighted, when you look around the page it seems others were given oppurtunity to copyright their own works):
http://isnt.autistics.org/dsn.html

scroll to the bottom:
Author: Shelley from Kalamazoo (that's droopy)
Then:
Copyright © 1998 ISNT@autistics.org. Last updated December 5, 1998.

Its not like these two weren't well aware of droopy and her easy concession on this copyright infringment I think paved the way for these two to go for more(and I do think its both of them, I suspect the works on Amanda's page may well be the work of both of them together).
Droopy left the 'autism community' and in fact appeared to vanish off of the internet entirely for some years which I think made it all the more easy and tempting. I honestly think Laura Tisoncik and her sideshow frontman never expected droopy to resurface and if she did that she would meekly acquiesce and/or run off as before.

This has been tough on droopy but she's standing up to this and I'm proud of her.

oh and apparently according to the elf woman, I am a troll. I think I'm need a scorecard to keep up in world of warcraft, er I mean AmandaLand.

RadioShack said...

I just caught that droopy's counselor 'pegged you as either a borderline personality or schizophrenic' -- interesting given that while Amanda's already beeb established as a flaming schizo, but Droopy recalls Laura being a very angry person who's dialogue (circa 1994-96) consisted mainly of rants about her therapist's refusal to change her diagnosis from Borderline Personality Disorder to Asperger's. There were no issues with Laura's ability to speak, all of that has been 'misremembered' into Laura's story since. Laura now passes herself off as "PDD-NOS"

Also a few things that I think should make the both of them nervous --
Droopy's been digging through her file cabinet and boxes, and she's also been doing a lot of writing. She's also said her "Copycat Chronicles' only start from when droopy made it clear she was aware of the situation and requested that it stop, because its from then she's most sure that "Ignorance is no excuse."

Amanda/Laura, while you're passing out hints, here's a big tip for the two of you:

You might think autistic people are easy prey, but they tend to be sticklers for things like honesty, they tend to remember things, and most of all, they *do* persevere.

Fore Sam said...

Is Droopy counselled by David Andrews? I hope someone tells Droopy that all counsellors are shams too since they they don't address autism as mercury poisoning. She would probably be happy if addressing her problems with medicine cured her incontinence.

RadioShack said...

Fore Sam,
no idea where you were trying to go with that last one..

droopy's counselor in this context meant a PhD/EdD (according to the credentials on the appointment cards). Counseling as in therapy, psychological type. One of his specialties is autism. He meets with droopy once a month in more of an overview caseworker fashion.

I believe her incontinence has a number of causes
http://droopyssafespace.blogspot.com/2005_11_01_archive.html
scroll down near the bottom, "The Lists"
...but again, I'm not really sure what any of this has to do with anything or what your point was there

watson said...

I think Droopy hit the nail on the head in December 2006:

http://droopyssafespace.blogspot.com/2006/12/need-to-get-this-said-and-in-secure.html

Clever lady. I wonder if she's clairvoyant.....

maxima said...

I'm speechless after reding Droopy's droopyssafespace blog. You're an amazing lady Droopy and no one questions your authenticity. There are some spooky similarities between you and Amanda but your story is consistent and credible.

It does piss me off that Amanda hasn't been exposed and people keep believing her and her friend Laura Tisoncik. Those 2 are the strangest lesbians in the world, they both don't wear bras and stay in wheelchairs because they're too fat and lazy to walk around. I will laugh so hard the day these two scammers are exposed.

I might not agree with your opinions at times Foresam but I respect you for letting people express different kinds of opinions on here. Eventually your blog will be heard and so will Droopy.

Anonymous said...

what happened to amanda? She hasn't been posting on her forums much lately. Is she too embarassed?

watson said...

Apparently, this isn't the first time an autism advocate has been accused of fraud.

Donna Williams:
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/8.30/helthrpt/hstories/hr290796.htm
The Health Report Monday, 29th July 1996


Jim Sinclair:
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:eaGeXpYAVekJ:www.asperger.org/Maap_Archive_Articles/EmploymentIssues.pdf
The Early Years of The Maap (p. 115-116)

Anonymous said...

There is no way those posts she wrote were written as a result of any psychosis brought on by meds. She was speaking of the past mostly, not of experiencing those things in the present. And I've seen two incidences of psychosis in autistic individuals while they were posting on message boards - what Ms Baggs wrote there was wayyy too coherent to be the result of any current psychotic episode.

Anonymous said...

http://www.allwellbeing.com/2007/04/dangerous-mercury-levels-in-vaccines-as.html

Thursday, April 5, 2007
Dangerous Mercury Levels in Vaccines as of 2007

By Rev. Stephen Knott

Mercury Poisoning in Vaccines

As of 2007 the current type Mercury used in 6 major vaccines in America is called thimerosal, an organic form of Mercury, and here are the facts concerning it.

The Mercury Vaccine Facts:

A 0.1% solution of thimerosal is used. A 0.5 cc dose contains 25 mcg of mercury

Water Contamination = 2 Parts per billion.

Toxic Waste = 200 Parts per billion.

EPA Allowable Fish = 700-1000 Parts per billion.

0.5 cc Vaccine = 50,000 Parts per billion

(—Dr. David Ayoub, M.D.)

Vaccines have 250 times more concentrated deadly mercury than pure toxic waste, and since it is injected straight into the body rather than cleaned out through the body’s protection mechanisms in the digestive tract, we're talking about beyond mercury poisoning. According to many expert medical witnesses & court findings it is beyond negligence.

After countless lawsuits against vaccine makers, tying them to a long list of diseases such as Autism, all but one manufacturer (the largest one) has been put out of business. Last year Bush Executive Order 10789 was put into place that protects this vaccine producer from being sued for any well proven injury injecting this poison has caused. Yet according to the FDA’s report in Nov. 30th 2006 on Thimerosal in vaccines, America still needlessly uses Thimerosal in 6 major vaccines.

There are a lot of myths out that vaccines have cured the larger diseases, propaganda put out by Rockefeller family who owns 99% of the vaccine industry, as well as much of the oil companies they use to make the pills out of. There has been no proven benefits of vaccinations, however the real cures to illnesses, and many times people still get polio, hepatitis, small pox, measles, mumps and every other disease even after they were vaccinated for it, this is a medical fact! However the real proven cure has been the removal of improper pesticides such as DDT from farming.

Banned around the world, but not in the United States

That might explain why thimerosal was nearly eliminated in many countries 20 years ago. In 1977, a Russian study found that adults exposed to ethylmercury, the form of mercury in thimerosal, suffered brain damage years later. Studies on thimerosal poisoning also describe tubular necrosis and nervous system injury, including obtundation, coma and death. As a result of these findings, Russia banned thimerosal from children's vaccines in 1980. Denmark, Austria, Japan, Great Britain and all the Scandinavian countries have also banned the preservative for children. Most adult vaccines throughout Europe still contain thimerosal. In America this so-called “preservative” is approved to continue to be used up until the year 2010.

(note this is not medical advice. You should always consult a doctor about medical issues, and there are many good reformed ones out there) Stephen Knott is a writer for The Christ's Assembly Online http://christsassembly.com/

Article Source: http://EzineArticles.com/?expert=Rev._Stephen_Knott
http://EzineArticles.com/?Dangerous-Mercury-Levels-in-Vaccines-as-of-2007&id=504364

Anonymous said...

Hey Fore Sam - explain to us why the countries that have banned thimerosal still experience Autism?

watson said...

Denmark, Austria, Japan, Great Britain and all the Scandinavian countries have also banned the preservative for children.

Not the UK, according to the NHS (2006):
http://www.immunisation.nhs.uk/article.php?id=420

"Thiomersal is present in the final product of the following routine childhood vaccines: DTwP (and DTwP/Hib) and Td. It is also used in DT."


And there is thiomersal/thimerosal in flu vaccines given to pregnant mothers and babies from 6 months:

http://news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=1187&id=916032004
Vaccine row as NHS continues poison jabs Tue 10 Aug 2004

"Britain is one of the few developed countries where thiomersal is still widely used."

"......officials admit that some flu vaccines and even rarely used child vaccines containing the product will still be prescribed."

Jonsmum said...

Thanks for the info. I've always wondered how the thimerosal ban came about in Russia 20 years ago.

You might be interested to know that in Great Britain thimerosal never was/has been banned, and was used in childrens vaccines up until late 2004.
It has been phased out of use on a 'volunary' basis but is not banned and never has been. If you are considered one of a group of people vulnerable to 'complications' from the flu, you will be offered/pressured into having a flu jab, which at my doctors surgery, currently CONTAINS THIMEROSAL.

It may be out of the current childhood vaccine programme, but everyone needs to know that if your child has asthma and you are advised that they need a flu jab, there is a likelyhood that the vaccination will contain theomersal.

http://news.scotsman.com/
health.cfm?id=916032004

Jonsmum said...

Watson;
Your comment went in while I was typing mine so I couldn't respond, but I'm pleased to see someone else dispelling the myth that thimerosal is banned in Great Britain.
I've read this so many times and it seems to be a commonly believed as fact.
It makes me wonder if what we read about vaccines and thimerosal being "banned" in other countries (which is accepted as the truth), is actually true?

(link didn't work-try again)

http://news.scotsman.com/health.
cfm?id=916032004

Jonsmum said...

If you want to read the link, it has to be manually typed in.
Bloody computers and their useless user!

Anonymous said...

The world is full of strange people... why waste your time with her?

Our efforts are better spent on curing and preventing autism.

Erik

Fore Sam said...

I think it's worth showing that she is a total fraud because she tries to convince people not to cure autism.

watson said...

It makes me wonder if what we read about vaccines and thimerosal being "banned" in other countries (which is accepted as the truth), is actually true?

I don't think they know what truth is, jonsmum.

http://www.immunisation.nhs.uk/article.php?id=420
EMEA public statement on thiomersal in vaccines for human use. 24 March 2004

"The CPMP acknowledges that, during some manufacturing processes, the use of organic mercury compounds is necessary and in such cases, residual levels might be present in the final product. "

Anonymous said...

I think it's worth showing that she is a total fraud because she tries to convince people not to cure autism.

And with your reputation you'll fail miserably, Foresam. Better if you move on I think.

Fore Sam said...

Sure, neuroinsane nitwits would love me to move on so she can perpetrate her sham unbothered. That's unlikely.

Anonymous said...

With your rep do you seriously think you can stop her? The more you yap the more people won't listen to you. You might as well shut up - it won't make a difference either way!

Fore Sam said...

What rep, a sane person blowing up arguments from nitwits?

the informer said...

John, I see you've crossed swords with Phil again on Autism Vox. Now he's calling you a meglomaniac!

Anonymous said...

Looks like more people than Fore Sam is "yapping" don't ya think. It looks like more than just one person has a lot to say on the subject.

watson said...

anonymous, Amanda Baggs is extremely useful to ND because she provides the link with low-functioning children.

Before her appearance on CNN, the most famous and successful person with autism was Temple Grandin, who, according to Axinar, wasn't suitable for "outreach" because she is "EXCRUCIATINGLY high-functioning".

Because Amanda looks autistic and does all the autistic stims, she is giving parents a false impression, that without any treatment or therapy their low-functioning children will one day be able to communicate as well as she does.

Unfortunately she has been able to convince parents that she is and has always been a low-functioning autistic, which isn't surprising since she has studied psychology, and by 2003 had read 73 books on autism including autobiographies.

She knows exactly what to say.

What she is doing is cruel to parents like Julie:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/HEALTH/02/22/autism.emails/index.html
Q: Amanda, my daughter, Taylor, 12 years old, is severely autistic and non-verbal. How old were you when you taught yourself to type and is there a way I can try to teach Taylor to type? She uses a tech-speak device with pictures at school, but I really want to carry on a conversation with her and tell her how much I love her and want to make her life better and easier for her to understand.
Julie Zuelsdorff, Merrill, Wisconsin


How do you think Julie would feel if she knew that Amanda at age 12 wasn't in the least bit like her daughter, she didn't have a diagnosis of any description, and she was preparing to go to college?

Fore Sam said...

Watson, You hit the nail on the head about how sadistic the ND's are. Do you wonder why Kathleen Seidel visits her and drives her places? Kathleen becoming friends with Amanda would be like Charles Manson hooking up with Jeffrey Dahmer.

watson said...

I think it's just as well Manson and Dahmer couldn't afford to hire Robert Durst's lawyer.

Where do you think Kathleen Seidel fits into the picture? What drives her?

Fore Sam said...

Watson, Seidel's ranting would make sense if she worked for Pharma or a government agency. I can't imagine any sane person spending the time she does to knock scientists who help children. Maybe she's just a psycho.

watson said...

No, I don't think she's a psycho. But working for Pharma or the government? Now that would make perfect sense.

Did you see "Vaccines: the book" by Arthur Allen, the journalist, that Seidel links to?

http://vaccinethebook.typepad.com/
VACCINE: THE CONTROVERSIAL STORY OF MEDICINE'S GREATEST LIFESAVER

SHOULD YOU VACCINATE YOUR KIDS?

"YES. Do what your pediatrician says."

Fore Sam said...

Haven't read the book. Conversed with Allen on his blog and found him to be a jackass.

Anonymous said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgmP0Z1PC74

Fore Sam said...

Neurodiversity must be reeling from Droopy exposing Amanda as a fraud if one of their nitwits who happens to be a lawyer is going to start this legal bullshit.
I wonder if Anne Bevington will send me a legal sounding letter to tell me I can't refer to her as a nitwit.

Anonymous said...

I think you ought to consider this far more seriously than you are, Fore Sam.

Fore Sam said...

Is that another anonymous threat from a cowardly nitwit?

Anonymous said...

She's demanding droopy manage and remove comments from this website and from Amanda's YouTube account?

Wouldn't that require having access to your login/password for this very blog, Fore Sam as well as the password for Amanda's YouTube account?

Why can't Amanda manage her own YouTube account comments, and why doesn't Ann Bevington ask you, Sam, to remove whatever else here 'annoys' Amanda?

Nice way to 'demand' the technologically impossible (unless she plans to provide those passwords and access to droopy).

a google search for "Bevington Law Firm" returns the following:

http://www.bevingtonlawfirm.com/


this domain name/URL address appears to have been in existence for less than a month
(whois information for bevingtonlawfirm.com):

Network WhoIs Record for
(bevingtonlawfirm.com)

Organization information
Registrant:
Domains by Proxy, Inc.
DomainsByProxy.com
15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States

Important Dates
Created on: 26-Mar-07
Expires on: 27-Mar-10
Last Updated on:

Administrative contact
Administrative Contact:
Private, Registration BEVINGTONLAWFIRM.COM@domainsbyproxy.com
Domains by Proxy, Inc.
DomainsByProxy.com
15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States
(480) 624-2599 Fax -- (480) 624-2599

Technical contact
Technical Contact:
Private, Registration BEVINGTONLAWFIRM.COM@domainsbyproxy.com
Domains by Proxy, Inc.
DomainsByProxy.com
15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States
(480) 624-2599 Fax -- (480) 624-2599

Name Servers
Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.RAMGRAPHICA.COM
NS2.RAMGRAPHICA.COM

BillyBobJimmyJoeJayRay said...

a google search (damn that google, sue them!) for "Bevington Law Firm" returns the following:

http://www.bevingtonlawfirm.com/
(from their website is the following information ):

"The Bevington Law Firm provides conscientious, personalized legal services to assist clients in resolving disputes. Experienced in litigation as well as alternative resolution methods such as negotiation, mediation, and arbitration, we work with you to find an approach that makes sense. Areas of practice include construction law, contract disputes, employment law, and general civil litigation in California state and federal courts.

Phone:
415-981-9440

Fax:
888-981-9440

Email:
info@bevingtonlawfirm.com

Bevington Law Firm
The Chancery Building
564 Market St., Suite 511
San Francisco, CA 94104
(c) 2007 Bevington Law Firm"

this domain name/URL address appears to have been in existence for less than a month -- since the 26th of March 2007??)

(whois information for "bevingtonlawfirm.com"):

Network WhoIs Record for
(bevingtonlawfirm.com)

Organization information
Registrant:
Domains by Proxy, Inc.
DomainsByProxy.com
15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States

Important Dates
Created on: 26-Mar-07
Expires on: 27-Mar-10
Last Updated on:

Administrative contact
Administrative Contact:
Private, Registration BEVINGTONLAWFIRM.COM@domainsbyproxy.com
Domains by Proxy, Inc.
DomainsByProxy.com
15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States
(480) 624-2599 Fax -- (480) 624-2599

Technical contact
Technical Contact:
Private, Registration BEVINGTONLAWFIRM.COM@domainsbyproxy.com
Domains by Proxy, Inc.
DomainsByProxy.com
15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States
(480) 624-2599 Fax -- (480) 624-2599

Name Servers
Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.RAMGRAPHICA.COM
NS2.RAMGRAPHICA.COM
(damn that internic whois, sue them too!)

An Internet "White Pages" search (http://www.phonenumber.com/ -- they need suing too!)
for "Bevington Law Firm" in California returns different address than the one stated on their URL (above). A telephone search also led to a different phone number.

Bevington, Anne M. Attorney
101 New Montgomery Street Fifth Floor, San Francisco, CA 94105
(oh damn the internet, let's just sue the whole damned thing!)

Anonymous said...

Is that another anonymous threat from a cowardly nitwit?

No, it's a recommendation. If you choose to ignore it that's up to you - but if I were you I wouldn't because I think she may have a case. (See my comment on the new thread)

Anonymous said...

You're a really sick person, Best. Can't you just let us autistics have our own opinions and not convince us to see autism as a disability? Are you trying to ruin Amanda's and other people's lives, including mine?

Haven't you ever seen what some of the most famous people with disabilities have accomplished like Mozart, Bill Gates and Beethoven?

Adam

Ophelia said...

I've known Amanda since 1994. I went to college with her.

You read that correctly.

College. Simon's Rock in Massachusetts. She's in the yearbooks and everything.She attended classes, spoke, ate, drank, peed, did everything like an intelligent and normal teen girl would. She dated also. And had oral sex. Willingly and with full knowledge and consent. Did some PDA in the computer lab, movies, etc. Totally. fucking. normal.

She was totally normal until she ingested donkey-killing amounts of mushrooms and LSD. Que psychosis.

Amanda then bounced around various inpatient and residential centers for years being diagnosed multiple personality and then paranoid schizophrenia. Many many many therapist, psychiatrists, etc saw her and diagnosed her as paranoid schizophrenic. Which she was.

I dated her brother for several years, so I was there for a great deal of this. Her parents were totally against the PS diagnosis and were willing to do anything to avoid it.

Eventually if you trot someone to enough people, one will tell you what you want to hear.

Don't know what's up with the shitting herself, but hey, factitious disorder knows no bounds.

But yeah, as of 2000 she was a walking, talking, bathroom-using, albeit somewhat crazy, regular human.

Anonymous said...

Anne Bevington

The firm where she works:

Stanton, Kay & Watson, LLP
101 New Montgomery Street
Fifth Floor
San Francisco, CA 94105
Phone: (415) 512-3501


Their website, not yet running:
www.skwsf.com

Others at the law firm:
fredt@skwsf.com
jamesw@skwsf.com

I think Ms. Bevington's email is, like the format for the others:
anneb@skwsf.com

Some more on Ms. Bevington, office where she worked and some more:
http://www.zoominfo.com/Search/PersonDetail.aspx?PersonID=34344173

See developments at AutismSpeaks.org,
much evidence against Amanda at the end:
Especially:
http://www.autismspeaks.org/community/forums/showpost.php?p=42709&postcount=136
And:
http://www.autismspeaks.org/community/forums/showpost.php?p=42710&postcount=137

Anne Bevington has been harassing, abusing, tormenting many people, her way of defending Amanda, with whom she has personal connections.

Would be good to write the others of her office too to let them know what she's doing.

Anonymous said...

Anne Bevington

The firm where she works:

Stanton, Kay & Watson, LLP
101 New Montgomery Street
Fifth Floor
San Francisco, CA 94105
Phone: (415) 512-3501


Their website, not yet running:
www.skwsf.com

Others at the law firm:
fredt@skwsf.com
jamesw@skwsf.com

I think Ms. Bevington's email is, like the format for the others:
anneb@skwsf.com

Some more on Ms. Bevington, office where she worked and some more:
http://www.zoominfo.com/Search/PersonDetail.aspx?PersonID=34344173

See developments at AutismSpeaks.org,
much evidence against Amanda at the end:
Especially:
http://www.autismspeaks.org/community/forums/showpost.php?p=42709&postcount=136
And:
http://www.autismspeaks.org/community/forums/showpost.php?p=42710&postcount=137

Anne Bevington has been harassing, abusing, tormenting many people, her way of defending Amanda, with whom she has personal connections.

Would be good to write the others of her office too to let them know what she's doing.