Saturday, November 11, 2006

Michelle Dawson, The Missing Link?



I pointed out the flaw in one of Michelle's posts and this was the most intelligent answer she could come up with.
Michelle Dawson said...
Sorry Joseph, I'm deleting all of Mr Best's posts without trace, so there's no need to respond to him.
8:45 AM

Is this how research assistants deal with criticism of their work? This would make Michelle the "See No Evil" monkey, hereafter referred to as "The Monkey".

The Monkey was trying to compare parents whose kids had a fatal congenitive condition with parents of autistic kids. She tried to contrast the calm of the former set of parents versus the "hysteria" of autism parents. I simply pointed out to the Monkey that parents of terminal children could allow them to enjoy their short lives while parents of severely autistic children needed to take steps to avoid sending their kids to custodial care where their quality of life would be negligible.

Joseph commented that he thought I was saying that it's better to be dead than autistic. That was not my point but, at least he showed some evidence of brain activity by questioning my statements. The Monkey simply deleted my statements because it obviously did not have the intelligence to defend its' position.

One Neurodiverse sympathizer once told me that the Monkey was their leader. That says a lot about Neurodiversity. Here we have this animal who was too incapacitated to make it as a postal worker leading disabled people to harm themselves by not learning the true nature of their affliction. Using its' logic, we conclude that parents of autistic children should enjoy their lives and their differences without helping the children. We are led to this flawed conclusion because some children with fatal congenitive conditions who can not be helped have parents who have accepted the inevitable fate of their children.

It is easy to see how an uneducated Monkey can reach this conclusion. Animals are not capable of logical thinking that must be based on an assessment of all the facts. The Monkey has decided that it, itself is beyond help and must live with a damaged brain without any chance that any intervention can ameliorate its' condition. It has also leaped to the inappropriate conclusion that because it can function somewhat in this world, all autistic people can function. Those of us who have severely autistic children know that this is not true. Those of us who have been in institutions know that some autistic people will never function at all and that they need help. We also know that this is a horrible existence.

The Monkey has decided that parents who address these facts are hysterical. It thinks it holds a lofty position as a research assistant and can look down on parents who disagree with its' flawed logic. It has not figured out that the assistance it is providing to the researcher is that of a subject. The research that is presented by said researcher is clear evidence to sane and intelligent parents that going through life with brain damage is not a good idea.

Parents who want to help their children may appear hysterical to the Monkey. They would find it much easier to be calm if their children's fate was a foregone, albeit very sad conclusion. Decent parents will do anything at all to help their children avoid a horrible life after they are dead. We are all fighting the clock to help our kids avoid that fate. Monkeys should keep their mouths shut until they gain intelligence comparable to humans so they can defend those inane positions for which their only solution is to delete comments.

116 comments:

Jonsmum said...

The Monkey said;

"In the "common behaviours of the Canadian autism community" dept, I stumbled into this blog post http://autisminnb.blogspot.com/2006/10/aba...conor-on-green.html and sent a science- and ethics-based, polite and verifiable (I gave sources) response about why proclaiming "it works" might not be sufficient. I sent that response on the 18th.

As I discovered, Mr Doherty, a prominent leader of the Canadian "autism community", uses moderation on his blog. I wondered if he would allow the science- and ethics-based information in my message to appear in his vicinity. The answer is, no.

Well, why should he be different. Canada's eminent "autism community" leaders have taken the position that science and ethics are bad for autistics. They're determined to protect us from these menaces no matter what.

Mr Doherty has freely posted on a No Autistics Allowed board. I would never even think about moderating him. This must be just another example of that fabled "social reciprocity" deficit in autism."

The Monkey, deletes comments on her own blog;

"I'm deleting all of Mr Best's posts without trace, so there's no need to respond to him."

But she is disgruntled and indignant when others use 'comment moderation', effectively deleting hers.

"Mr Doherty has freely posted on a No Autistics Allowed board. I would never even think about moderating him."

Would she or wouldn't she?
What a hypocrite.

Fore Sam said...

The Monkey does not employ science or ethics. It only relates anecdotes based on its' particular form of brain damage. Its work with some horse's ass named Mottram is hardly science.
Deleting comments is what we've come to expect from the leaders of the neurodiversity cult. I'd be hesitant to drink Kool-Aid offered to me from any of them. I'll just have to oppose their idiocy here since they're all afraid to defend themselves.

mcewen said...

New blogger - clarification please?
1 never delete other people's comments or
2 delete if they are offensive?
Is there a poll somewhere that I could refer to for guidance?
Best wishes

Fore Sam said...

McEwen; My comment to the Monkey was not the least bit offensive. I disagreed with her.
I normally only delete extremely idiotic things that are posted by K Leitch and some nitwit who calls itself Any Mouse. You are certainly free to delete whatever you want. You make yourself look like a fool by deleting opposition rather than confronting it.

Refer to for guidance said...

Other excuses for deleting comments are:

3 Delete when you are backed into a corner, and can't argue you're way out.
4 Delete when want to "edit for relevance" or create a false picture.
5 Automatically delete when you know someone is likely to prove their point in an argument.

Jonsmum said...

Michelle Dawson may delete my message to her, but her "Message to Andy Scott: "Autistics deserve better" is an insult to autistics.

Here is a letter from Andy Scott, that she was up in arms about.

"Dear Colleague,

I am contacting you in reference to my Private Member’s Motion M-172 calling on the House of Commons to ask the Government of Canada to develop a National Strategy on Autism Spectrum Disorder.


In advance of the debate early in this fall session, I ask that you please take a moment and review the attached letter from students and teachers at Leo Hayes High School in Fredericton. They have consulted extensively with autism treatment advocates, legal authorities and myself to help craft the contents of this motion.


As you know, children with autism are not covered under the Canada Health Act. As a result, it is up to each province and territory to determine the level and extent of care that they will receive.


In Alberta, care is provided to those individuals up to 18 years old. During the past couple of years, I have heard many stories of families leaving parts of the country, including here in New Brunswick, to go to Alberta and seek the appropriate care for their children. Quite frankly, parents shouldn’t have to do that in this country.

A national strategy would help ensure that persons with autism spectrum disorders will receive treatment and therapy for their condition and the associated costs will be covered by the provincial and territorial health care insurance plans. One child in one hundred and sixty-six now born will be afflicted with Autism Spectrum Disorder and that number is increasing at an alarming rate.

Studies have repeatedly shown that Applied Behavioural Analysis, Intensive Behavioural Intervention and other treatments can dramatically improve the social and intellectual functioning of autistic children and thereby their quality of life.

The enormously debilitating intellectual and social cost to the sufferer is rivaled only with the financial and emotional burden of care on their families. Therefore, a strategy would be a great thing to help make practical investments early in a child’s life in providing necessary interventions that will save money in the long run.
I believe the Government of Canada has an important role it can play to facilitate such an important initiative.

I ask that for your support of M-172 and please reply to these high school students who should be commended for being so enthusiastically engaged in public policy development.

Sincerely yours,


Hon. Andy Scott
P.C., M.P. Fredericton "

Michelle Dawson would consider this to be a "Strategy to deny autistics lives"

She is actively opposed to any intervention/help for autistics, of any kind, biomedical or non-biomedical, and her ethos is "Autistics deserve better"!!!
Somebody please lock her up and throw away the key, before she does anymore damage.
There is something very wrong with this woman, and I feel deeply concerned for autistic children in Canada.

Fore Sam said...

Like I said to Andrews on Amanda's blog, a lot of these adult autistics had woefully negligent parents who should have taken guardianship of their kids. What kind of jackasses raised this Monkey and taught her to harm children?

Jonsmum said...

She needs to be careful before she's linched by an mob of angry parents.

Jonsmum said...

Oh no, I made a mistake in my grammar. Will Angry Andrews notice?
Quick, hide.

Fore Sam said...

Andrews won't notice if he's been out drinking all night. He'll probably accuse you of threatening the monkey though.

Jonsmum said...

In Michelle Dawsons letter to Andy Scott, in retaliation to his earnest request for early intervention for autisic children in Canada, it is clearly evident that the mere mention of ABA/IBI is like a red rag to a bull.

"Also, ABA/IBI is not, as all the experts for both sides in the Wynberg trial agreed, medical or medical treatment in any way. ABA/IBI was not pioneered or developed by medical professionals, nor is it researched or provided by medical professionals. ABA/IBI is about learning and education, which may explain why it is not necessarily funded as medical treatment."

I believe Autism Hub "promotes diversity and human rights, with ethics and reality as the core guiding principles; aspects include empowerment/advocacy, acceptance, and a positive outlook"

While Michelle Dawson is actively opposed to any early intervention for autistic children, arguing that it is not a medical treatment,
just what constitutes a treatment that would enable empowerment of autistics? Or do autistics across the board, not need any intervention and treatments?

"with ethics and reality as the core guiding principles"

You can forget about "reality" and "empowerment" as far as Michelle Dawsons' concerened.

Autism Hub, if they do have any "ethics", need to look at their members ethics that 'clash'
with each other, and their philosophy as a whole.
Or is Kev Leitch not to fussy at this early stage?
Is quantity more important than quality, to him?


Michelle, if you are reading this. How do intent to 'empower' autistics, when you are fighting against everything helping them to
achieve "empowerment"?

Anonymous said...

I don't think the Monkey will respond. She's too busy earning pellets on her own blog by hitting the delete key.

Lovass said...

Anon;
Her blogger profile has had a pathetic 206 views since Aug 05.
I wonder why she became an "Autism Hub" member?

Canadian autistic said...

Dawson!
Dawson!
Dawson!
OUT!!!
OUT!!!
OUT!!!

Jonsmum said...

She'll have huge blisters on her busy little fingers, from deleting comments.

Anonymous said...

From The Missing Link's blog,

mom26children said...

"Parents who want normal children do not know what they are talking about. There is no such thing as "normal".

The way things are going, soon there will be "no such thing" as non autistic.
This would be Dawson's idea of paradise!
It's a Mad Sad World.

Jonsmum said...

John;
While we're all waiting in line for our comments to be "moderated" on Ballastexistenz, I would like to put mine in here, before Cristmas arrives.
If you think it's 'innapropriate', just do a Monkey and delete it.

Amanda;
You may not allow this comment but it doesn't really matter because it is to you, regarding you're comment 115.

3. "Stop making all sorts of snide little putdowns and personal attacks."

With respect, don't you realise that you yourself did this with comment 89.

"(No, it wasn’t him, but it was a disturbing commentary on the way he forms language.)"

You didn't have to say it, but you did make a "snide little putdown" yourself, by stating that John Best "forms language" in the same manner as someone who sent you spam, "that was all about how someone was going to rape me in the butt and make me enjoy it and thank them and ask for more."

You are far from innocent of the behaviour you are now warning us all to stop.
What were you trying to imply with that comment?
What was the point of making an association between that "wierd spam", and John Best?

Fore Sam said...

Jonsmum; As if anyone can figure out who wrote something by the "way they form language". What a lot of crap. She probably just has some weird sexual fantasies.

Fore Sam said...

Jonsmum; Do you think Kathleen is telling Dave Seidel what to say on that blog? It's a real pain in the ass to comment there with everything being moderated.

Kevin_1000 said...

fore sam,

I would love to be a fly on the wall in the infidels' household. Dave's probably polishing the silver as we speak :)

Jonsmum said...

Dave being told what to say by Kathleen?
YES. And I also think she's on there commenting under a pseudonym.

The problem with Amanda's blog is that when you make a comment to someone, there are already so many
comments on 'moderation', by the time the comments are shown, the 'thread' is a jumbled mess.
It can take you all night to put 3 comments in!

Joseph said...

The thing, John, is that you did say the following about your son...

"When a kid is already dead mentally due to mercury poisoning, there is no choice. You either try to cure him or you torture everyone in your family with autism until the day arrives that the kid has to be sent away... If he dies young, I will rejoice for him that he has excaped the nightmare that was his life."

There's no other way to interpret that. You believe it's better to be dead than autistic.

Fore Sam said...

Joseph;
I'll qualify this for you so you have no misunderstanding. You and your so-called autistic friends would not meet the criteria for the severity of autism I'm talking about. My son no longer meets that criteria either thanks to Andy Cutler and chelation.
As my son was before chelation, oblivious to EVERYTHING, and a screaming "train wreck" of a kid who was always in pain and extremely self-abusive, Yup, I would not wish that life on anyone. Perhaps my belief in Heaven makes my position easier than it is for atheists. I think it's also more humane. If you had an animal like this, you wouldn't think twice about putting it out of its' misery.

Brad said...

John:

I have a friend with a child with M.D. At his point, his life expectancy is in the early 20s.

This dad is a fighter, as is his wife. They are blazing a new trail for biotech that may be able to save their son.

I think it is true that knowing your child has a terminal condition will cause you to focus more on faith and acceptance, but even then there are folks like my friend who is going to run through every wall possible to try and give his son an extended life and a better life.

Then, you have the neurodiverse. I don't know if it's fear or their own psychological issues, but they literally advocate doing nothing.

It boggles the mind. Nice photo, by the way, that's sort of how I picture Dave Andrews.

Brad

ballastexistenz said...

The main reason I moderate on my blog is because there's usually 30 to 50 spam comments to 1 real comment. The conversations would be even more confusing without that.

On that one particular thread, I've so far moderated out comments from people on both sides of the argument. If you want your posts to be included, keep the personal insults and such out of it, and stick to the issues. I've moderated out a lot of posts with some good points -- on both sides -- so far because they included personal insults.

I disagree with jonsmum about whether that was a snide remark or not (it was certainly not intended to be), but even if it were, I'm not deleting past comments of that nature, only future ones, so it's a moot point. I'm not going to discuss it further, for the same reason that I'm moderating out other personal comments. But I've left it in, as well as all insulting comments from all people on all sides, before I began moderating, because I'm not going to retroactively moderate things to make people (including myself) look better. I just don't think the discussion is very productive as a mudslinging match of any kind.

ballastexistenz said...

Oh, also, if anyone (on either side) wants their comments in there, try again minus the insults. I'm not going to moderate for disagreement, only for insultingness.

Jonsmum said...

Ballastexistenz;
My comment to you was not insulting but you haven't left or put it in. My comment to David Andrews, which was:
"David Andrews said... I don't recognise the comment", also was not insulting, but at this moment neither of those comments are on your thread.

What was your objection to them, other than the point I was trying to make?

"Oh, also, if anyone (on either side) wants their comments in there, try again minus the insults. I'm not going to moderate for disagreement, only for insultingness."

If this rule applies to everyone, then we should expect not to see anymore foul mouthed personal comments from David Andrews?

Fore Sam said...

Brad; I think if the Neurodiverse had parents like your friend, they'd be no such thing as Neurodiversity because those parents would have all of these adults with Asperger's in treatment now. Then people like Andrews would be able to present a better picture of himself.

Fore Sam said...

Amanda;
When some of us refer to your sanity as questionable, it should not be taken as an insult. It is simply a matter of fact. A court ruled that Asperger's was a diminished capacity.
Facing the truth is the first step in helping yourself. I realize it is difficult to accept but it is sincerely meant as constructive criticism. All decent parents would like to see you get well. No decent person would advise you to accept a hindrance that may be improved and would certainly not advise you to celebrate having a disability when help is available.
BTW, feel free to insult anyone you want here. I think it makes for more honest discussion.

ballastexistenz said...

I have in fact moderated some of David's comments. Foul-mouthed is fine though, personal insults are not.

ballastexistenz said...

Jonsmum: I accidentally deleted two comments, including the one you mentioned, and one by Dave Seidel. (That was due to shortness, not to content, and would've happened even if I wasn't moderating for content -- sometimes my eyes get tired in a huge sea of spam, and I miss a few things.) I noticed that they showed up in my email box but not the blog itself, although I kept looking for them. You can go ahead and resubmit that one. I'm sorry about that.

Foresam: I'm moderating amateur diagnoses on all sides, including some that have been made of you. I don't see what's to be gained from a bunch of people telling each other they're either crazy or stupid.

Anonymous said...

For what it's worth, I enjoy telling John Best he's an offensive, lying, money-grubbing pathetic waste of a human being. I will do it every day I possibly can.

Fore Sam said...

Anonymous;
Being called names by cowards with low IQ's doesn't bother me. You're just helping to prove my point that neurodiverse knuckleheads need lots of help. Thank you!

Jonsmum said...

Amanda;
No sarcasm intended. Thanks but I won't bother re-submitting my comment. You sort of said it youself.

"I don't see what's to be gained from a bunch of people telling each other they're either crazy or stupid."

Nothing personal, but arguing black is white with everyone on your blog, and other blogs is like banging my head against a brick wall.
As far as I'm concerned anything I say, won't make anyone who disagrees with me think twice.

There are thousands of people who believe there is an autism epidemic, and there are thousands who believe it's a man-made epidemic caused by thimerosal in vaccines.
The 'neurodiverse' don't hear from these people on their blogs because they don't choose to be sitting ducks for idiots who can't or don't want to see what's going on around them.

Kev Leitch recently said, in his usual nauseating tone,

"Apparently Susan, you've still to comprehend the whole idea of a discussion based piece of software such as a blog. In short it is to enable people to discuss."

There's no 'discussion' going on as far as I can see.
A lot of arguing, insults and boot licking, but no discussions.

Kev's most hypocritical and comical statement so far was,

"Stay on the safety of John's blog where nothing ever gets discussed except the personalities of people you don't like"

Kev is entitled to his own opinion, which seems to be 'I'm against eveybody, and you're next.
While he's busy playing scout leader to his 'autism cubs', serious, pro-active autism advocacy organisations in Britain are laughing at him.

I wonder if the members of "Autism Hub" are aware that he not taken seriously in his own country.

While he may be a sadist, I'm no masochist, and the most intelligent comment he has made so far is probably,

"Stay on the safety of John's blog"

Not that I needed it, but thanks for the advice.

Fore Sam said...

Jonsmum;
"Apparently Susan, you've still to comprehend the whole idea of a discussion based piece of software such as a blog. In short it is to enable people to discuss."

Not much discussion there since he banned all of the opposing views. I wonder why he doesn't pop up out of his hole on the EOHarm list when the subject of Neurodiverse idiots comes up. Must just be cowardice.

Jonsmum said...

Mr Leitch has sent me an 'informative' email regarding Autism Hub, which he finds amusing.

Fore Sam said...

Aren't you going to share Kev's Email?

Jonsmum said...

I have to pick my son up from school, I'll try to email it to you when I get back in.

Anonymous said...

Michelle (yes I'll call her by her correct name) deleted your comments because you support non medically supported education. That is, education done by teachers, not psychologists. I see her point, and the fact that you have a history of not listening yourself - I don't blame her for deleting your comments. You are the one who can not stand to be contradicted by someone else's EXPERIENCE. She wants PROPER intervention - not the uneducated variety you seem to be advocating. It's like ignoring that Autism even exists - and that's a crock of crap. Take your fingers out of your ears for two seconds, John. You might learn something.

If you are capable that is!

(And I wonder if this post will even make it through moderation?)

Fore Sam said...

Anon; Psychologists are not teachers and have no business having anything to do with autism. Autism is mercury poisoning and should be treated by doctors.
The only experience Dawson has is being a pain in the ass to parents trying to help their kids. She needs to be cured, herself.

Anonymous said...

You're the one who needs to be cured. Where the heck did you get this fanciful notion that Autism is the result of mercury poisoning? That's the biggest load of BS I've ever read! All Austistic spectrum disorders are GENETIC in origin. Psychologists are the way to go. Doctors have no idea what they are dealing with.

And neither do you obviously.

Fore Sam said...

Anon; Please explain what caused this genetic epidemic. Then show me 75 year old autistics at the rate of 1 in 166. If you wake up, you can learn how to cure autism. Did Michelle tell you to say this?

Anonymous said...

Autistics don't normally live to 75 because of the distress level, so that's an irrelevant comment. Mind you, as long as people like you shut up the stress can be reduced. Any progression away from an Autistic Spectrum Disorder is because of a reduction in stress, and the obtaining of a structure that lasts and enough autonomy to keep the stress level down.

That has nothing whatsoever to do with mercury poisoning - which when I last checked was LETHAL!! How about you show me a proven case of mercury poisoning where the victim survived? I'll bet you can't!

Autism can NOT be cured. The only thing that needs to be cured is attitudes like yours.

And no, Michelle did not tell me to say this. I'm acting off my own bat, to show you that you are living in a fantasy land. Leanr to accept your Autism, and you'll have a much happier life.

Fore Sam said...

Anon;
Are you hiding in anonymity so I can't expose your ignorance?
Autistics in institutions don't have any stress, don't drink, smoke, do drugs or eat improperly. They would probably live to be 100 if they existed.
Mainstream medicine has been curing mercury poisoning with chelation for over 60 years. Many autistic children have already been cured with chelation. I can give you lots of names but I won't put those people in a position of having some anonymous coward knowing who they are. Anyone that rants against curing autism is psychotic and I shudder to think what they might be capable of.
If you would like to learn about curing autism, pay attention and I'll be happy to teach you.

Anonymous said...

You're an idiot. Autism can NOT be cured! Neither can any other ASD. You are the dangerous one because you increase the distress levels of those who know the TRUTH. THE TRUTH! Ever heard of it? If anyone is psychotic around here it's you.

There is also no cure for mercury poisoning - because it is LETHAL! You can chuck as many names at me as you want. They weren't poisoned with mercury. They never had Autism. They were mis-diagnosed - which happens a lot with ASD's because of the many quacks that exist on this planet.

Get it through your thick skull that you are WRONG. The only way to treat ASD's is through psychological training. The disorder remains for life - the trick is to learn to live with it. All the drugs do is limit the traits - it doesn't eliminate them. Because it can't be done.

Fore Sam said...

Anon; There is a picture of a pending psychologist in the next blog entry who would have as much chance of treating autism as any other psychologist.
You sound like a simpleton who has not learned anything about autism over the last seven years. We found the cause and can now cure it. Only a true moron would argue against the fact that chelation is curing autism. Kids are being helped because intelligent people have learned that autism is actually mercury poisoning.
When you learn to listen instead of ranting, I will be happy to teach you about autism.

Anonymous said...

You can't teach me squat - because you don't know anything. Listen to yourself. You're preaching something that you want to believe because it justifies your blind hate of Autism. You can't accept it as a part of you because you are scared. Scared of something that you don't understand. You are not a psychologist or a doctor so you can't speak with any original authority. Why don't you admit to the fear? I know why - you don't have the guts. I have learnt more than you'll ever learn. You don't want to learn. The link that you are trying to draw between Autism and mercury poisoning has NEVER been proven (and it can't) so you have no right to preach it as fact. That's a combination of scaremongering those who have accepted Autism as a part of their lives and have learned to live with it (something you need to follow suit on), and giving false hope to the parents of diagnosed children that there's a cure when there isn't.

Your attitude is in violation of the Universal Declaration on the rights of Disabled People. And to a degree the rights of the child. Be ashamed. Be very ashamed. And go get a fresh education on ASD's before responding because clearly you need it. You've got no idea, and you are presenting no new arguments to back up your fanciful views that are based on wilful blindness and sheer hatred that will kill you a lot sooner than it would kill me.

Fore Sam said...

Anon; It seems you also need lessons in Reading Comprehension. I am not autistic, my son is.
Read my latest entry. There's part of the proof, Simpsonwood. That was the start of the obvious coverup. Of course, the covert coverup had been ongoing long before that.
Geier gave us proof as did Sallie Bernard and every parent who has already cured their child. I am part of that proof as I have cured some of the autism in my son by removing the mercury.
There was a time, many moons ago, when the only choice autistics had was to learn how to live with the autism. That has changed. I suggest you join the Autism-Mercury Yahoo group and learn how to help yourself. You're obnoxious but, once you cure yourself, you can overcome that personality defect.

Anonymous said...

Geier is recognised as a quick by several experts. His views have never been verified by a proper analysis (see Wikipedia if you don't believe me) so they should be treated with a grain of salt.

And don't accuse me of a defect in my reading comprehension. You ARE Autistic. You have to be because your son is. Where did he get it from? YOU! Not Mercury poisoning - YOU! You are showing all the traits of Autism with the way you write, and the stubborness of established structure.

You are not a medical professional. You can not teach me anything because you are not qualified to do so. You are dangerous and I will make sure that your influence goes nowhere beyond your own fantasy zone. That's what you are living in - fantasy land. Something that is very much Autistic Spectrum.

You have the personality defect. Accept it. It's a part of you. Embrace it. Fighting it will end up killing you - and your son. I've got a good mind to contact local welfare authorities and have your son taken off you because you are clearly an uncaring parent who has no idea. There is STILL no choice - learn to live with Autism. Because there is NO CURE! You have clearly given up on your son because you don't understand what it is he has. That makes you a coward - and an unfit parent. Removing any mercury from your son's body will make no difference. If there is a difference then it's for a completely different reason.

I'll start by making sure your precious Yahoo Group gets shut down as a threat to the human rights as ASD sufferers.

Jonsmum said...

"You ARE Autistic. You have to be because your son is. Where did he get it from? YOU!"

Are you saying that autistic children have inherited their 'genetic' autism from at least one of their parents?

If you are, then by your logic, at least one grandparent must be autistic, and the prevalance of autism must be at least three times as high as the current stats.

Are you speaking from experience?
Are you an adult autistic with an autistic child?

Anonymous said...

I am an adult Aspergers sufferer. I do not have any children, but that's beside the point. There are ASD traits that can be traced back quite a way. It was not uncommon in days gone by for spectrum disorders to go undiagnosed. The reason for that is because mild cases like mine managed to go unnoticed because of the structured nature of society then. But it was there. It was always there. The increase in diagnoses today happens not because of a so-called epidemic. It's a combination of lazy diagnosing caused by bad parents who are demanding excuses, and an increased understanding and acceptance by the few good psychologists and psychiatrists who have more brains than you obviously have. I'm willing to bet half the spectrum DX's are wrong (so much for the 1 in 166 stat).

Having said that - even today, yes, there are undiagnosed spectrum sufferers. That would include you. And one of your parents - and so on. It's not a disease, it's an inherited disorder that has contributed in a lot of positive ways to the community. You'll find that a lot of the eccentric geniuses of the past (Einstein for example) were sufferers of a spectrum disorder. Without them we wouldn't have made half the scientific advances that we have.

Still want to hate Autism? It has some positives you know! Bad parents like you turn it into a complete negative, and for that you should be ashamed of yourself.

Fore Sam said...

Anon; You are not tracing Asperger's in your roots. You're tracing an inability to excrete mercury. The best thing you could do is chelate yourself and finish your life without a diminished capacity.
Einstein was not autistic. He was very intelligent. People with ASD can't possibly be that intelligent because the mercury has damaged their brains. They may be able to become smart on some subjects but they have had to invent their own IQ tests because their damaged brains can't handle basic IQ tests.
There's nothing positive about autism. It sucks.

Jonsmum said...

"I am an adult Aspergers sufferer. I do not have any children, but that's beside the point."

Oh no, it is totally the point when you come here accusing us of being "Bad parents", when you have zero experience of parenting yourself, and know nothing of the educational and psychological help, intervention and education I have fought tooth and nail for, for my son.
You stupid woman/child.
You know no facts about me and my child, do you?
Absolutely nothing!

"The only way to treat ASD's is through psychological training."

What is your idea of psychological "training"?

"You ARE Autistic. You have to be because your son is. Where did he get it from? YOU! Not Mercury poisoning - YOU! You are showing all the traits of Autism with the way you write, and the stubborness of established structure."

"You have the personality defect. Accept it. It's a part of you. Embrace it. Fighting it will end up killing you - and your son."

So YOU, as a childless autistic adult/child, are saying that us parents who are NOT autistic, ARE autistic and insulting all autistics including yourself, myself, John Best and our children, by saying that autism is a "personality defect".

Be ashamed. Be very ashamed.

Anonymous said...

I am not ashamed in teeling the truth. If you think John Best is right about mercury poisoning being the cause of Autism then YOU should be the one who is ashamed. And I base my comments on my own parents experience with me (and I am an adult BTW - and male).

I know all about the stereotypical bad parent who demands a cure as a cover up for not being able to cope with a child who is inherently different. The condition is by definition a personality defect. It's a medical fact. Limited social instinct isn't a personality defect? Are you serious? I've lived with it all my life and it IS a defect! And I have had to live with it, and will continue to do so for the rest of my life. And I have the courage to accept that. What's your excuse? That's the problem - the instant a parent starts making excuses, they are a failure in parenting. My parents succeeded, because they didn't panic like you obviously have. And they didn't have anywhere near the amount of support then that there is available now!

On psychological training, that involves manually teaching the things that the neurotypical are able to learn by themselves just by being a part of society. At a young age this is possible and openly encouraged. It's the basis of every credible government assitance program that I know of.

If you truly love your son - get off the mercury poisoning scaremongering campaign. Get proper help for him through psychologists. Forget doctors and teachers, they aren't qualified to deal with this. And forget mercury poisoning. It's not the cause - it's an excuse to avoid the real problem. Your inability to cope with the son that you have and you are stuck with. Love what you have, and don't try to cure him of something that can not be cured.

Fore Sam said...

Anon; Were you diagnosed as an adult?

Jonsmum said...

Person/s to scared to use their real name/s;

Why do I get the distinct impression you are two different anonymous commentors, posing as one here?

Anon/s;
Why are you making your comments on different posts when they are sayin the same thing?

Jonsmum said...

Anon;

"If you think John Best is right about mercury poisoning being the cause of Autism then YOU should be the one who is ashamed."

I think I am right "about mercury poisoning being the cause of Autism", along with John Best and thousands of others.
I'm in good company and I'm certainly not "ashamed" of anything, apart from wasting my time arguing with you.

Anonymous said...

I was DXed as an adult firstly (in 1997). And I won't bother putting my real name here, because I don't want you lot interfering with my structured life by trying to force me down a path that I know is a farce.

Thousands of others? Guess what. The governments of the world don't agree with you. And I think they are rather more important and influential. They know Geier is a quack because he can't back up hios assertions with any proof of mercury poisoning links any further back thatn the 1980's at the most. I was born in 1965. Autism was already known about then even though I have Aspergers. And that wasn't known about until around 1990.

I consider people like you lot who support this theory to be dangerous and lazy - and don't want to make the adjustments needed to cope PROPERLY with any spectrum disorder.

I will say this again, and if required I'll drum it into your thick skulls;

Autism is genetic and is NOT caused by mercury poisoning.

Medical FACT!!!

And that goes for all other Autistic Spectrum Disorders - including Aspergers.

Anonymous said...

Oh and I forgot, I am one person.

Fore Sam said...

Maybe this guy is in love with Michelle. He's obviously got a screw lose.

Fore Sam said...

Anon;
Governments are not good places to gain accurate information about anything. They are shoving the vaccines down our throats and will NEVER admit they screwed up. All of the govt. employees got their jobs by being ass kissers. I don't expect much out of any of them.
You were well enough to avoid having the fact that you're a little bit off noticed by anyone. Trust me, nobody could miss the kids today. Have you ever met any of them? These kids are nothing like you. Many of them will never learn to type their name. Education is pointless because they are incapable of paying attention to anything. Removing the mercury gives them a chance.
A few people who were the most susceptible to mercury were bothered by it between 1931 and the late 1980's. When they added more mercury, ot nailed more babies. It's that simple, pal. Now, wake up and help yourself.

Anonymous said...

Fore Sam, if you ever did any PROPER homework, you would realise that;

1. Governments act on credible information given to them. There is NO credible information to support your non existant cure - so they RIGHTLY ignore it.
2. You vote for governments, so you get what you vote for. Don't blame them. YOU make the change. I'll bet you've never voted in your life.
3. Nobody could miss any spectrum child at any time, let alone now. And I WAS noticed BTW! I had to change schools once because of a stupid teacher who got me all wrong.
4. I HAVE met a badly off Autistic adult. And all he screamed out to me was "You don't understand me!" (proverbially speaking). And people like you don't even try because you are trying to change them. DON'T! That's why they are screaming and carrying on. Change is ALIEN to a spectrum disorder sufferer. It's like trying to make a blind person cross a busy street without any help!
5. They ARE capable of paying attention. You just have to find the trigger. That's the hard part. Psychologists are trained to find the trigger.
6. Wake up to yourself before telling me to. Don't inflict your fantasy world on other people. For the thousands of people who support you (supposedly), there are TENS OF THOUSANDS of people laughing at you. And rightly so! Or scared of you because of the threat you pose.

And one more thing. The increase in DX's has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with any mercury content increase. It's to do with parents wanting the DX to cover for their own mismanagement. The genuine cases of Autism have not increased at all. The numbers are also affected by lazy DX's of Aspergers and other spectrum disorders - especially ADHD. The sooner the quacks doing that are brought into line the better.

Anonymous said...

I missed this from further up;

Einstein was not autistic. He was very intelligent. People with ASD can't possibly be that intelligent because the mercury has damaged their brains. They may be able to become smart on some subjects but they have had to invent their own IQ tests because their damaged brains can't handle basic IQ tests.

There was no mercury damage to the brain, Best! Einstein was high functioning Autistic - or Aspergers (probably the latter). Such people have high IQ's! I'm a 131 BTW! Einstein's I believe was over 200. But he was still on the spectrum. So much for your theorising! And he wasn't the only genius who had the disorder! A lot of the brains behind the industrial revolution were on the spectrum, going further back than Einstein! And they wouldn't have been able to do it without the positives being on the spectrum brings! Oh yes - there ARE positives! It's just a matter of finding them.

So much for your mercury poisoning argument. Give it up, buddy!

Fore Sam said...

Simple Simon;
Autistics may not like change but they are all happy once they're cured.
Govt. employees do whatever the corrupt politicians tell them to do. Eli Lilly, et al. have paid for protection so that's what the ass kissers like Gerberding do.
There was no such thing as autism when Einstein was born. Eli Lilly hadn't invented it yet. I wouldn't expect a low IQ person like you would understand.

Jonsmum said...

Don't waste anymore of your time trying to educate us on how to help our children.
You haven't told us anything we don't already know.

For you further education;

The "trigger" was and still is VACCINES, and the "trick" is not to give them to your child.

Jonsmum said...

Anon;

I do apologise, Ive just noticed you only have an IQ of 131.
I thought you didn't sound 'very bright'.

I have an IQ of 155 and its a curse.
I can't get Mensa off my back!
They're desperate to get me to join, but elitist cults just don't appeal to me.
You wouldn't believe the pile of begging letters I get from them evey week.
They want me for their mascot, but I wish they would just leave me alone.

Anonymous said...

Autistics may not like change but they are all happy once they're cured.

Correction. They are happy when they get the routine they want.

Govt. employees do whatever the corrupt politicians tell them to do.

Then why haven't you voted the politicians out, huh? No guts?

There was no such thing as autism when Einstein was born.

Oh yes there was! There ALWAYS was! It just hadn't been DISCOVERED yet!

The "trigger" was and still is VACCINES, and the "trick" is not to give them to your child.

You don't love your son as he is. That flagrant cop out lie proves it.

I have an IQ of 155 and its a curse.
I can't get Mensa off my back!


Call the police and accuse them of harrassing you. That'll get them off your back. And if they don't, note the return address of the mail you are getting - and talk to a lawyer. Meanwhile, don't open their mail (if you can recognise it that is) and return it to the sender, marked "Refused". And keep doing it.

Fore Sam said...

Simple Simon; Why are you on this thread? Do you have a thing for Michelle or something?
Sorry dufus, autism did not exist until 1931. You can prove me wrong by dredging up some 75 year olds, good luck.

Jonsmum said...

"Call the police and accuse them of harrassing you. That'll get them off your back. And if they don't, note the return address of the mail you are getting - and talk to a lawyer. Meanwhile, don't open their mail (if you can recognise it that is) and return it to the sender, marked "Refused". And keep doing it."

Well I was hoping a psychologist could help me in finding the trigger for their harrassment, and give me some tricks on training them to stop.
Is there anyone you could recommend?

Anonymous said...

Sorry dufus, autism did not exist until 1931. You can prove me wrong by dredging up some 75 year olds, good luck.

My grandfather on my fathers's side had Aspergers. Einstein had Aspergers. Newton had it. Other genius's from the 19th century had it. Why do you think they were so smart and perserverative? And seen as eccentric? It's a spectrum trait - doofus!

Well I was hoping a psychologist could help me in finding the trigger for their harrassment, and give me some tricks on training them to stop.
Is there anyone you could recommend?


Your local police. And I gave you other ideas. What's the matter? Selective reading? Or are you lying to me about Mensa? And your IQ level.

Anonymous said...

And I'm on this thread because you lot are downright dangerous - and the more people know about it the better. I am exercising the first amendment that you lot hold so proudly - in order to prove beyond any doubt to the casual observer that you live in fantasy land. Tens of thousands of people can't be wrong!

Fore Sam said...

Phil;
Asperger's is a lesser form of mercury poisoning. I can't guess where your grandfather came in contact with it.
Einstein and Newton were intelligent men, not mercury poisoned. This screwball Neurodiversity movement wants to claim that every genius in history was autistic to obfuscate the obvious. They don't want any of these children to be cured because it will prove the malfeasance of the drug companies. It's that simple. No sane person rants against helping children.
My son is one of the kids who has been helped by removing the mercury. He's past the prime age where his chances of recovery would be good. The world's leading expert on chelation says to keep chelating. Many adults are improving their lives via chelation. I'll keep chelating, thank you.
Sam paid no attention to anything until we started chelating him. You are ignorant of what has been learned in the last seven years and it might do you some good to learn it.

Anonymous said...

The chelatin had nothing to do with it. You've done something else on top of it that you haven't realised. You stopped doing the other things that upset him. When you did that, he was automatically more comfortable because he saw you as leaving him alone. Which is what he wanted. The fact that it is taking so long (two years?) proves my point. A disease would have been cured by now. But it hasn't. The improvement has nothing to do with the chelatin.

Everyone with HFA and Aspergers are highly intelligent. That's a proven fact. There was no mercury poisoning. It was something else - in the genes. The traits are eccentricity. You name me a recognised genius from the 19th century who wasn't seen as eccentric. They did all the things Aspies do - do things on their own, within a structure, and get all upset when anyone interferes. They were all like that - Einstein, Newton, and the rest. They were against the establishment (the church in particular for the most part - who saw them as heathens) which is also an Aspie trait. Want any more proof? The Autistic Spectrum Disorder predates the development of thiomersal by DECADES! And my grandfather was DXed with it just before he died (in 1998). Thanks mostly to my father who also has it.

BTW, if I have it and it was caused by mercury poisoning - how come my sister doesn't have it as well? She would if you were right!

You are the victim of a scare campaign that has created a false picture that you have chosen to believe out of sheer helplessness over your son. The picture will soon be cleared by the courts - and you'll have to accept that you are wrong. You can keep chelating if you want - but it won't make a real difference long term. Your son is Autistic for life. You'll see.

Fore Sam said...

Phil;
HFA and Asperger's have nothing to do with high intelligence. IQ is inherited. I've met some pseudointellectuals but none of them are actually intelligent. The mercury in their brains probably cost them some IQ points.
You're only minimally affected by mercury if you aren't in an institution. It didn't nail your sister because estrogen makes the mercury less potent while testosterone helps it to kill more brain cells faster.
There is lots of bad diagnosis going on these days with people who are just strange deciding that they should diagnose themselves. They read the symptoms and a psychiatrist is happy to pick their pocket and give them the DX if that's what they want. I'm sure they could get diagnosed as being wombats if they paid the shrinks' bills.
The people you think were autistic before 1931 probably had a genetic disorder like Rett's or fragile X. Kanner described autism as something that had never been seen before in 1943. He knew it was different than all of the other brain damaged people who may have had similar symptoms prior to that. He just didn't figure out that it was mercury poisoning. That didn't happen until 1999.
My son was a normal baby. He didn't show any evidence of brain damage until he was about 10 months old. Now, he's recovering. You calling me a liar won't stop his improvement.

Anonymous said...

HFA and Asperger's have nothing to do with high intelligence. IQ is inherited.

IQ is inherited - so is all ASD's. They are linked whether you like it or not. It's why the IQ points remain intact and in some cases go up to compensate for the lack of social instinct. The only thing that may affect a growing baby (and that 10 month period is crucial) is diet. Not mercury poisoning. And even then that is also a theory. But to me that one is the one that makes more sense. Ever heard of the gluten free diet? I wonder what you fed your son in the first ten months? That will interesting to hear about. YOU may well be responsible for your son's Autism by not feeding him correctly!

But beyond that time - there is nothing you can do. Like I said, the improvement in your son is NOT because of the chelating. You've unconciously hit his preferred structure, and that's why he has calmed down. But can you maintain it for life? With the natural changes coming in the teen years, you are in for a major shock!

I agree that there are a lot of bad DX's. I've mentioned that before - and that's partly why your so-called epidemic doesn't exist. Kanner could only go on what HE'D never seen before - AND he was concentrating on Autism, not the other spectrum disorders. Hans Asperger discovered Aspergers in 1944, but it remained hidden by Kanner's findings until 1990. Kanner would never have said what he said if he'd been aware of Asperger's work. Asperger was behind the Hitler curtain at the time (he was in Austria) which is why he wasn't noticed.

The lesser ASD's went undetected until the work place changed in more recent years - and the increasingly negative responses from people like me. It managed to remain hidden because life in the old days was more structured than it is now.

Here endeth the lesson.

Phil said...

"In my case, the disability also includes a touch of Schizoid Disorder (not to be confused in any way with Schizophrenia).

Some of the features of Asperger's Syndrome and/or Schizoid Disorder include an excellent rote memory, the ability to absorb facts easily, a generally high standard of maths and science, a general inability to cope with criticism or imperfection, a target of teasing in the school environment causing withdrawal into isolated activities, an unusual gait or stance with a tendency to be clumsy, a presentation that is often seen as odd or eccentric, an appearance of good language skills but limited content, poor social understanding, a louder than normal voice with a tendency to be hyper verbal, a tendency to live in a fantasy world, a tendency to be disorganised, obstinate, callous, vindictive or insensitive, a tendency towards obsessional questioning, a tendency to be restless, repetitive or a strong sense of perseverance, and may have fads or obsessions."

Anonymous said...

Your point?

Jonsmum said...

Anon;
I think the point is, that Phil's own description of himself from his own site, http://www.philsworld.com.au gives us an insight into where he is 'coming from' with his comments here.

Make your own judgements again, Phil.

Anonymous said...

Why? You created the reprint. Explain yourself. All you're doing is recreating the truth.

Jonsmum said...

Anon/Phil;

Read my last comment again.

Anonymous said...

I did - and you still won't explain yourself. You're the one making connection that doesn't exist. Show me. Or are you too scared to because you know deep down I'll debunk your interpretation.

Jonsmum said...

Phil;

"a tendency to be hyper verbal, a tendency to live in a fantasy world, a tendency to be disorganised, obstinate, callous, vindictive or insensitive, a tendency towards obsessional questioning, a tendency to be restless, repetitive or a strong sense of perseverance, and may have fads or obsessions."

They are your words describing your own tendencies.

All these tendencies have been reflected in your comments here.
You have been 'all of the above'.
You have described yourself well.

Anonymous said...

And you're calling it a bad thing? Particularly as some of them reflected in here have been provoked!

If you are then that proves your lack of tolerance for people who are different, and backs up your refusal to accept your son in the same vein.

Well done, failure.

Jonsmum said...

Phil;
You said:

"And you're calling it a bad thing? Particularly as some of them reflected in here have been provoked!

If you are then that proves your lack of tolerance for people who are different, and backs up your refusal to accept your son in the same vein."

Yes Phil, I do consider
your "obstinate, callous, vindictive or insensitive" tendencies to be a bad thing.

Do you honestly think they're a good thing?

I think everyone you have made presumptions about and insulted here, including myself, have been more than tolerant towards you, because it is obvious you have mental health promblems separate from your Aspergers.

You want to be accepted as "different" because of your "tendencies".

I do not have to accept or tolerate your obstinate, callous, vindictive or insensitive
"differences", to get your rubber stamp of approval that I accept my son's differences.

My son is different, and I more than "accept" him.

By your logic we must accept all human differences before we can accept our children.

Mass murderers are different do we need to accept their "tendencies"?

Anonymous said...

Yes Phil, I do consider
your "obstinate, callous, vindictive or insensitive" tendencies to be a bad thing.

Do you honestly think they're a good thing?


Yes - when I'm provoked. It's called treating a person the way they treat you. You are all those things. What's your excuse?

My son is different, and I more than "accept" him.

If that was true you wouldn't be trying to "cure" him. So I call that a flagrant lie.

You are a failure as a mother. And if you call that callous - fine. Because I consider you to be callous towards your son's true needs - routine and autonomy. If you can't take it, don't dish it out - to anyone.

Unless you are a closet Aspie of course.

By your logic we must accept all human differences before we can accept our children.

What a pathetic interpretation! We must accept both equally.

Mass murderers are different do we need to accept their "tendencies"?

Don't be so stupid! You know as well as I do when an accepted law is broken in such a way there is no excuses. Mass murderers deserve nothing but contempt. Whether or not they have psych issues doesn't alter what they have done.

Have I broken any accepted law?

No.

You have. Child neglect.

Fore Sam said...

Phil; If you ever manage to get yourself laid and have a kid of your own, you'll understand that sane parents help their kids. You are out to lunch, pal.
Anyone as screwed up as you doesn't need a specific diagnosis. Fucked up Beyond Belief(FUBB) covers it nicely.

Anonymous said...

I am married and I get laid heaps more than you do I'll bet! Maybe that's what you need!

I can't have children because of radiotherapy - and I couldn't handle bringing up a normal child anyway because of the lack of routine and autonomy. I know how important it is to give a child your time ad hoc, and I - as an Aspie - could not handle it. I've looked into that at length and it's how I know the general rules of bringing up children.

You're the one who's screwed up. Screwed up by paranoia because you know I've got you beaten. And I know someone has lost when they start swearing.

Clearly you need an attitude adjustment. Hopefully the decision against the class action in June next year will make you see reason - although somehow I doubt that because you refuse to listen to anyone with a shred of common sense like me.

Jonsmum said...

Seriously Phil.
You're not coming over too well.
Do yourself a favour and concentrate on Michelle's blog where your comments are appreciated.

Anonymous said...

Why? Afraid of me because deep down you know I'm right and you haven't got the courage to admit it?

I have not yet begun to fight!

Jonsmum said...

Phil/Timelord;

I'm not afraid of you. I'm bored of you.
Has no-one ever told you you're tedious before?

Jonsmum said...

"I have not yet begun to fight!"

Venceremos Che!

Anonymous said...

One person thought I was tedious. Now they're under an intervention order.

I'll be stopping this nonsense, and you'll have to stop this useless charade of "my son has been poisoned". That's what you're afraid of, having to put up with what you can't handle and you don't have the courage to admit it.

Be grateful I don't have the ability to find out your details, because if I did I'd be getting welfare onto you and you'll have to wave goodbye to your son. You don't love your son unconditionally. You'll only love him if he doesn't have Autism.

You're a poor excuse for a mother.

Fore Sam said...

Phil;
You're too incapacitated to become a father. That makes you a poor excuse for a man.
The sane people who visit this site are helping children and opposing psychopaths who don't want to see kids improve. I think there's a much better chance that the ND bolgs would be shut down by other sane people. Seek help soon.

Anonymous said...

You're the one who needs help, Best. Not me. You badly need help because you are a threat to your son. A serious threat. I am a man. You are an alien living in a fantasy world.

And by judging my manhood on my inability in practical terms to be a father is a pathetic cheap shot that any sane person would not respect at all. At least I have the sense to know I can't be a father. You don't.

Had a good woman lately?

Fore Sam said...

Anonymous gelding;
I've had the same good woman for 12 years. We have 3 wonderful kids. One of them needs lots of help and we're giving it to him.
I know it must be difficult to accept the fact that your brain doesn't work right. I go to the trouble to impress that fact upon you in the hope that you will find the help you need.

Anonymous said...

12 years? Is that all? I've had mine for 20! And don't tell me you are giving your son lots of help. You are hindering him because you are looking for a quick fix - yes, it is a quick fix - for something that will be there for life.

My brain works fine. Yours is the one that needs help, you poor delusional human being. Your precious theory is wrong, and it's a shame that you won't find that out until it's too late. THAT is the fact of the matter. I'd love to be a proverbial fly on the wall when that day comes when you realise I was right. And I guarentee it will come when your son starts the journey into adolescene (whenever that is - how old is your son right now again?). Then again - you are so delusional you probably won't see it and compound the failure in the process.

I'd pity you if it wasn't for the danger you posed with your lies and excuse filled propoganda.

Fore Sam said...

Phil; If your brain worked fine, you wouldn't have earned the label "autistic". Autism is mercury induced brain damage. If I can get all of the mercury out of my son's brain, he has a chance to be normal. You have that same chance but you first have to get your head out of your ass.
Is your wife also brain damaged to put up with you for 20 years?

Anonymous said...

Foresam,
I know this guy.
Cure him of his aspergers and you'd be left with a complete tosser.

Hey Mr nice guy, remember me?
Think on mate, or you'll be needing more than one restriction order.

Anonymous said...

Best, you just proved me right again. You want your son to be normal. There is no such thing as normal. You'll never get the son you want so stop trying. You can remove all the metals you want from his brain - he will remain Autistic for life.

(And someone has just put a final nail in their coffin - reference immediate above message)

Fore Sam said...

Is that another threat, simpleton?

Anonymous said...

The coffin comment wasn't meant for you, Best. It was meant for the anon poster.

Paranoid are we?

Jonsmum said...

Phil;

(And someone has just put a final nail in their coffin - reference immediate above message)

I hope you were speaking 'figuratively'.

Although Anon sounds as if he can handle himself.

Anonymous said...

He can't handle himself at all. I referred to someone who I had an intervention order against earlier in this thread. This boy (yes he is only 16) is the very person I was talking about. And by communicating with me on this blog, he breached the order. I printed the comment and took it to the police yesterday, and asked for action. He's been very cocky lately, and he has made his last mistake. That is what I meant. Yes I was speaking figuratively.

Fore Sam said...

Anon; How can you prove the anonymous poster was him? Are the blog police going to prosecute him?

Anonymous said...

Hey tosser, don't blame this boy for something I said.

Don't you know me?

Anonymous said...

To answer your question, Best - the layout of the message, the use of the word "tosser" and very few people actually know about the order outside of this blog and my own forum. And only he would be so stupid as to make such remarks - knowing that I am heading his way this weekend. And the police I'm referring to are not the blog police! LOL (and you don't know the history either BTW!)

Anyway - even if by some miracle it wasn't him, this poster is getting the boy into a lot of trouble if the poster doesn't identify himself pronto. And I'll bet he hasn't got the guts to - which will prove me right.

Fore Sam said...

Why was he calling you Mr Nice guy? Were you coming on to him?

Anonymous said...

He probably wants you all to think that, Best. That's the way he works - a lying scheming little fat butterball. And an attention seeker with some rather nasty habits (which is why I took out the order to start with).

Jonsmum said...

"To answer your question, Best - the layout of the message, the use of the word "tosser" and very few people actually know about the order outside of this blog and my own forum. And only he would be so stupid as to make such remarks"

WRONG! Tosser is a common word used to describe people like you, and you are at the very least, a complete TOSSER.
Now sue me, tosser.

Fore Sam said...

Jonsmum;
I think the commotion Phil has caused here have made him a public figure so I just did a short post about him.

Anonymous said...

I have not caused a commotion, Best. You have by being a fool, and a careless one at that. You don't care that by putting my full name on here you have attracted a warned stalker. That makes you extremely dangerous besides the issues I have already blasted you about. Think yourself lucky I have to do some extra form filling for the court hearing to order you to remove my name.

Anonymous said...

Oh - and do not shift this to the other thread. That was a pathetic thing to do, especially when I was responding to Jonsmum - no wonder you confused that Concerned person! Notwithstanding his or her lack of understanding as to what I'm doing here.

Fore Sam said...

Phil;
How do I know you're not the stalker,yourself? Maybe this kid has a good reason to go after you. Why don't you explain the situation?

Jonsmum said...

Phil;
"I was responding to Jonsmum"

Do you think your 16 year old alleged 'stalker' just happened to be reading this blog and spotted your name. Since you have an "intervention" order out against him, you will be well aware he already knows your full name.

You came here and "blasted" us all, criticized and told us what we should and shouldn't be doing to help our children, when you have no experience of parenting autistic children yourself, and admit you could not handle being a parent yourself!

You posted your ID and website details because you wanted people to know who you are.
You wanted the credit for your comments.
Now it has backfired you're complaining.
You made a mistake and will have to accept the consequences.

When someone threatens to have my child taken from me, you can bet the very least I'm going to is google their name and find out what sort of crackpot I'm dealing with.
Unlike you, I do not threaten to take you to court because I know that would be a waste of my time, and you're not worth it.

The internet is a free for all, for any idiot to say want they want, and your unprovoked attacks on parents you no nothing about are proof of this.

You have failed court actions all over the place, and your threats here will be your latest failure.

Fore Sam said...

Jonsmum; Phil's reply to you is on the Phil Gukyas thread. I liked it better there.

Anonymous said...

And it should have stayed here, Best, you coward. No excuse for that.