Saturday, April 14, 2007

Amanda Baggs Lawyers Up

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgmP0Z1PC74

Above is the link to a letter from Neurodiverse nitwit lawyer, Anne Bevington to the autistic woman known as Droopy. It seems that Bevington thinks she can order Droopy to stop defending herself from Amanda Baggs' impersonation of her.

Bevington has gone as far as demanding that Droopy remove all anonymous comments from this blog that she thinks were put there by Droopy. I hope Droopy won't get in trouble with Bevington because anonymous comments can not be removed by the author. They can only be removed by the blog owner.

The problem here is, how is the blog owner supposed to know who put the anonymous comments here. Will I be reprimanded by this neurodiverse nitwit because I can't identify who posted certain coments? What if I believe Droopy and not Amanda (sham) Baggs? Can this lawyer force me to delete comments? That sounds like a free speech matter. I don't think lawyers have the authority to force anyone to do anything. Can she sue me for refusing to infringe on Droopy's right to free speech? I don't think so.

We have Amanda Baggs masquerading as a low functioning autistic person. If Amanda wants to take legal action based on that, it seems she would have to prove that she is, in fact, a low functioning autistic person. A low functioning autistic person might try to eat the keyboard upon which Baggs types 120 words per minute. I wonder if Baggs can work that into her role. Can she type and eat the keyboard simultaneously?

If low functioning autistic people knew how to call lawyers for help, they'd all be getting themselves off of Seroquel, Clonidine and other wonderful, mind-numbing drugs in favor of some DMSA and ALA, and getting themselves out of institutions. Does anyone think this nitwit, Bevington will help autistic kids with that? I doubt it. However, it's interesting that this associate of Kathleen Seidel's will initiate legal action against a true autistic woman. This is just more proof that Neurodiversity exists to harm autistic people.

That's my opinion of the whole thing, MS Bevington. Do you think silencing Droopy will stop anyone else from giving their opinion that Amanda Baggs is a sham?

Droopy, you're welcome to say whatever you want about Baggs here. That is, of course, unless MS Bevington can deny you you're free speech on a blog. This blog is written for an autistic person and, as such, will expose any scumbag who tries to harm any autistic person with blatant lies as Amanda Baggs chooses to do.

Amanda Baggs, MS Bevington, is harmful to all truly low functioning autistic people because she makes the general public think that autism is not nearly as horrible as it is. That lie that sways public opinion helps to prevent a majority of the public from becoming outraged at the atrocity that has been perpetrated on our babies. The fact that the general public is not outraged about this crime of negligence prevents people like my son from receiving all of the medical care that he needs to reverse the effect of that negligent poisoning. For assisting with this sham MS Bevington, I hope you die a slow, painful death and rot in Hell.

I also hope some decent lawyer who reads this will advise Droopy how to get this Neurodiverse nitwit, lawyer off her ass.

ADDENDUM: It looks like the nitwit lawyer has scared Droopy. All of her videos concerning Amanda (sham) Baggs are gone from Youtube. The nitwit can't erase our memories. We know what we saw and we know who is telling the truth. The scumbags at Neuroinsanity may have won a battle by intimidating an autistic woman. Their actions can't alter the truth.

Here's another video that the nitwits at Neuroinsanity will not like. http://www.tacanow.org/video/hope-video.htm
I wonder if a nitwit lawyer will demand that this be removed because it shows them for the idiots that they are with their deranged philosophy of wanting children to suffer for a lifetime instead of being helped.

154 comments:

Anonymous said...

If the comments are proven to be defamatory, Mr Best, one can still be sued. Freedom of speech is not a defence if the comments are not true and cause damage to the person being defamed.

I recommend you be careful and not treat this with a grain of salt. It depends largely on whether or not Amanda is bluffing. That is what we don't know.

Fore Sam said...

I can't see anyone proving that any comments are defamatory when Baggs is not autistic. Doesn't it state in the DSM that autism must be diagnosed by 3 or 4 years of age? So, by definition, she can not be autistic.

Anonymous said...

No it doesn't say it must. And even if it does that doesn't mean you can't be diagnosed at any other stage of your life. Your definition is ridiculous.

Fore Sam said...

Those who are really autistic are diagnosed very young because they have something seriously wrong. Baggs didn't fit or she would not have been missed. If she had acted the way she does on her videos as a child, she would have been diagnosed by anyone who met her.

maxima said...

I've posted a lot of links to her old blogs on here and said not so nice things about this person. Good luck with taking me to court for voicing my opinion on something I know is a fraud; I live in Iceland, haha.

She's fake and I suspect that letter Droopy got might also be a fake. How the hell can they even think they can identify anonymous posts on here? People are starting to see through Amanda so she's trying to scare Drooopy into being quite. This is hilarious, the way Amanda is acting, ROFL.

Drooopy will get her justice and people will see the truth in the end. More power to you Drooopy, you're not doing anything illegal.

Joeymom said...

Actually, I know the school here has discovered a couple of kids who can't talk, but they can type. Typing allows for a visual cue in the communication. We're going to start signing with Joey this week, because we have learned he can follow a conversation and keep up with stories better if he has visual cues; there is some problem he is having with processing sound. So I wouldn't write off someone as "not autistic" simply because they can type, but cannot speak. Would I consider such a person to be "low-functioning"? I think the functioning labels are really quite useless, as they don't seem to refer to a person's ability to actually function in society. My kid is called "high functioning" all the time, yet he can't hold his own in a classroom, or with his peers. Can he be called "functional" when he can't actually function?

Anonymous said...

Sorry, just testing. Have been having problems posting to this blog.

Fore Sam said...

Only certain anonymous posters have problems posting here. If your comment did not get posted, it's due to your anonymity.

Anonymous said...

I'd be interested in knowing if Droopy is chelating herself.

Anonymous said...

Droopy enjoys being autistic doesn't she?
She's against being chelated isn't she? I think she enjoys wearing diapers. She discusses adult diaper wearing with other adults in a sexualized context, so I hear.

Anonymous said...

I'd be interested in knowing who is paying the attorney's fees.

Anonymous said...

"Only certain anonymous posters have problems posting here. If your comment did not get posted, it's due to your anonymity."

John, I'm having problems with my blogger account and for a few days last week I couldn't post anything. If I try and use my blogger account it fails and then "other" and "Anonymous" don't work either.
I can only use anonymous at the moment.
Because i've tried to use blogger i've had to save this comment, log off your blog then come back and post as anonymous.
This might be happening to others with blogger accounts who want to post here but are having trouble.
I don't think it's a problem with your blog, but with google/blogger accounts.

Jonsmum.

Fore Sam said...

Jonsmum, I'm not aware of any problems. I have refused a lot of anonymous posts lately.

Anonymous said...

Baggs didn't fit or she would not have been missed.

She wasn't missed, she was mis-diagnosed. My view is that she was the victim of a number of medical people who were still living in the 19th century. History is littered with people who are the victims of holes in health system.

Fore Sam said...

Sorry, nitwit, autism was not misdiagnosed by anyone after 1943. Baggs was born 40 years after that. There was nothing to diagnose until she became a teenager, took LSD and decided to be schizophrenic.
The only misdiagnosis taking place with ASD's are nerds pleading for an Asperger's diagnosis to excuse their lame behavior. Are you forgetting that Baggs could talk before she auditioned for job of Neuroinsanity Spokesmodel?

Anonymous said...

Hey Forearm Dick! You don't need a lawyer - you need an undertaker!

Fore Sam said...

Gee, maybe I'll get calls from a neuroinsane, nitwit lawyer offering to prosecute you for that threat. Nah, those nitwit lawyers are too busy picking on autistic people.

Joeymom said...

Actually, autism was often "misdiagnosed" after 1943. I have a very good friends I grew up with who weren't diagnosed with ASD until we were in our twenties. Children with "milder" forms of autism, especially verbal children, were commonly "missed" in the educational process. Non-verbal ones were often labeled MR, and only recently diagnosed ASD (especially when appropriate IQ measures were used, and it was discovered that these people were well in normal, or even above-normal, range). Children I grew up who were often considered strange, but gifted are now realizing they have Asperger's Syndrome. Perhaps having grown up in the "gifted" crowd, I know more of these cases than other people might, but it is definitely true that kids have been, and continueto be, mislabeled, misdiagnosed, and mistreated because the autism is not being diagnosed.

Not that there are no misdiagnoses the other way. This is very common around here with Tourettes, which often presented as autism-like when the kids are young.

Fore Sam said...

Joeymom, You're talking about high-functioning people. A train wreck, as portrayed by Baggs, could never be missed by anyone. Do you suppose that's because she did not take acting lessons until she decided to become autistic?

Anonymous said...

Sorry, nitwit, autism was not misdiagnosed by anyone after 1943.

How do you know? Prove that it hasn't been mis-diagnosed. My sister was mis-diagnosed with schizophrenia - and it was corrected to high functioning Autism in the late 1990's when she was 24! So there's one example!

Anonymous said...

A train wreck, as portrayed by Baggs, could never be missed by anyone.

It could be called something else! Amanda herself has said she suffers from other problems along with Autism. Did it occur to you to think that the other issues were diagnosed and Autism got lost in the shuffle?

Or are you too stupid?

a supporter of Amanda said...

Amanda is Autistic.

Get yourself a lawyer you slanderous bastard.

Maxima said...

I'm really upset, Drooopy took her blog down about the lawyer. She's letting the Amanda cult get to her.

This Amanda character will be exposed and the day she does get exposed I will laugh so hard. What comes around goes around and I can't wait until her past catches up with her.

I'd be really interested in hearing from that guy she claims is stalking her; he went to college with her and probably has a story to share.

What was her username when she was posting all that LSD stuff in Google Groups?

BTW, I'm also having problems with my blogger account. Anonymous is not the only optiuon on here, people can pick a name. I think it's lame people post as anonymous, it's hard to distinguish who is who when reading the comments.

watson said...

I have a very good friends I grew up with who weren't diagnosed with ASD until we were in our twenties.

Joeymom, I don't understand. Only five months ago (November 25, 2006 - Commentary: 8 Myths of Julie Krasnow) you wrote:

"However, in my wide range of contacts, friends, acquaintences, etc., I have only one person I know has an ASD, and not even a whisper of anyone, a sibling, a cousin, an aunt, uncle, etc., with ASD, Einstein Syndrome, or other problems that could indicate ASD."

Fore Sam said...

Anon, I'd have to meet your sister to see if you are wrong.

Amanda Supporter, Why would I need a lawyer? I'm not impersonating autistic people.

Maxima, Hasn't Amanda already been exposed? Isn't that why she got a lawyer? Isn't that why the lawyer browbeat a poor autistic woman so Amanda could try to continue her sham?

watson said...

I'd be really interested in hearing from that guy she claims is stalking her; he went to college with her and probably has a story to share.

Jonsmom, I'm almost certain it's Daniel M. Drucker who went to Simon's Rock College with Baggs and was probably in the same class:
http://www.ccn.upenn.edu/~ddrucker/

Here's a school photo:
http://www.3e.org/photos/picture/25567754/

What was her username when she was posting all that LSD stuff in Google Groups?

Nightsong, Galiganinda Dulin, Sidhe Dulin

watson said...

Baggs also went to SRC with someone with the username Ophelia:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.schizophrenia/browse_thread/thread/a535dde7d4fc030c/870a91fc93a2ea69?lnk=st&q=Amanda&rnum=3&hl=en#870a91fc93a2ea69

Maxima said...

Fore Sam said...
Maxima, Hasn't Amanda already been exposed?
I'm talking about big exposure, like CNN. Your blog actually does come up on the first page when I type Amanda Baggs into Google, haha.


Thanks for the links watson ;-)

I've posted this link before, but I wonder if her lawyers will do anything about this?
http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Amanda_Baggs

Jonsmum said...

Maxima;

"BTW, I'm also having problems with my blogger account. Anonymous is not the only optiuon on here, people can pick a name. I think it's lame people post as anonymous, it's hard to distinguish who is who when reading the comments."

After posting a while on this blog you do tend to become a little defensive. No offence intended, but I hope you don't think I'm "lame" for commenting as "anonymous" due to problems with my blogger account.
I don't want to be lumped in with the same anonymous pigs who say things like, "you need an undertaker!"

Fore Sam said...

Maxima, Do you think some nitwit lawyer will try to browbeat Google to get my blog off the first page?

maxima said...

Foresam said: Maxima, "Do you think some nitwit lawyer will try to browbeat Google to get my blog off the first page?"
I actually wondered the same thing when I saw your blog pop up in the search, haha. Everything that has been posted on here are links to old messages of hers, I doubt you can get in trouble for that.
As far as the opinions on here go, if people are so sensitive they don't have to come on this blog. The last time I checked it was OK to voice your opinion about a person on the Internets.

This Amanda Baggs is becoming the LULZ of the year. She's probably the first known case where autism appeared later on in life, kind of like alzheimers I guess.

Watson, I'm very tempted to e-mail Daniel M. Drucker. Anyone dare to send him a message?

Fore Sam said...

Maxima, What's a LULZ?
It's a good tactic by a nitwit lawyer to browbeat someone who publicizes a fraud. It's sort of like bluffing in a poker game against someone who you know is short on cash. I think there's been enough information supplied here to call that bluff.
However, if the nitwit lawyer learned anything from the Nixon administration, she's busily deleting all of the comments that have been referenced here at the source.

jonsmum said...

Maxima;
Again, "No offence intended, but I hope you don't think I'm "lame" for commenting as "anonymous" due to problems with my blogger account."

A response would be appreciated.

maxima said...

I don't find you offensive at all, what made you think that?

Jonsmum, you're using a name? I'm talking about the people that come on here and threaten Foresam, etc. and use the name anonymous.

BTW, Foresam; LULZ is an internet slang which basicly means that people online are laughing at you for making an ass out of yourself on the internet.

jonsmum said...

Thanks Maxima,
Thought you had missed my name on my comments and was addressing me directly with your comment.

Sorry. Like I said, "After posting a while on this blog you do tend to become a little defensive."

It's all the anonymous nasty comments that do it, LOL.

Joeymom said...

Watson:

I have found out about these recently. Sorry I don't put every little detail of my life in my blog for you.

amanda supporter said...

Amanda Supporter, Why would I need a lawyer? I'm not impersonating autistic people.

No, you are slandering one. Amanda is Autistic. Unless you're a doctor you can't say otherwise. You'll be in big trouble if she decides to go after you for damages.

Fore Sam said...

Amanda supporter, The way I see it, your nitwit lawyer is slandering Droopy.
The evidence that has been posted here suggests that Amanda is a fraud. My comments concerning that are not slander, just my opinion.

watson said...

Maxima said...
I've posted this link before, but I wonder if her lawyers will do anything about this?
http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Amanda_Baggs


Did you see the quote?!

It's hard to believe that a very bright 13 year old could be sent away to college and not be able to blow her own nose.

watson said...

Joeymom said...
I have found out about these recently. Sorry I don't put every little detail of my life in my blog for you.

Glad you cleared that up. I find apparent contradictions intriguing - particularly when it seemed you were going to type "a friend", changed your mind, and put the sentence in the plural form. But I guess the "a" was just a typo.

Actually, I wasn't reading through your blog to verify what you'd said about your friends, I wanted to find out more about your son because I'd only read your first blog message and your last, and gathered that your son was profoundly autistic and that he had started speaking in sentences after oxygen treatment a few weeks ago.

That was the impression I got from this:
There were other words that emerged from her lips, but the ones I will always remember were: "Your son is either profundly deaf, or profoundly autistic."

And this:
This burst of verbal-ness is actually something of a shock. It started when he was put on the oxygen during our Croup Crisis a couple weeks ago. He's been using sentences ever since.

But I had it wrong. I have now read elsewhere that your son has been able to speak in sentences for some time, and converse too, and that he's now considered to be mildly autistic.

Sorry to have been jumping to conclusions, but I guess when people say that their child "has autism" or "is autistic", I tend to picture my own child at the same age. And although my son was happy, affectionate and cuddly prior to vaccination at the age of two - he wasn't afterwards.

If you think your son might be having problems processing sound I'd like to suggest you look into AIT.

Children with "milder" forms of autism, especially verbal children, were commonly "missed" in the educational process.

Seeing as Baggs has said that she wasn't diagnosed with anything until she was 14, do you think that she would have been missed when she was growing up, if she'd had even mild autism, like your son?

The impression that Baggs gives, that she has always been the way she appears to be today i.e. non-verbal and severely autistic, is false and misleading.

watson said...

Foresam said...
A train wreck, as portrayed by Baggs, could never be missed by anyone.

Anonymous said...
It could be called something else! Amanda herself has said she suffers from other problems along with Autism.

She doesn't make that clear when she is advising parents of children with autism.

For example, take what Baggs says here to Julie Zuelsdorff:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/HEALTH/02/22/autism.emails/index.html

Baggs wasn't non-verbal when she learned to type at the age of 9, nor was she diagnosed with Autistic Disorder at the time. She didn't have to learn to type in order to communicate, but that's the impression she gives.

Is that honest?

maxima said...

Jonsmum, don't take comments on here to heart. I know I could never imagine what it's like having an autistic child but people's opinions or lack of understanding should never get into your heart.

I started reading about autism because my best friend's son is autistic. I probably wouldn't have stuck around this place if it weren't for the fact that Foresam let's people voice their opinions; even if they're not polite or kind.

If people like Amanda manage to control what is said online why bother posting anymore?

The fact that Droopy deleted her blogs is horrible and I hope that anyone that knows her encourages her to put them back up.

maxima said...

Watson said: "
Did you see the quote?!

It's hard to believe that a very bright 13 year old could be sent away to college and not be able to blow her own nose."

I wonder if she was wearing diapers at college too? There is some website where she has pictures of herself in diapers? I have to save these links, I can't remember where it's at but it's been posted on here.

Like I've said before; she sounds more like a person that took a bad trip on LSD and never recovered.

BTW, Foresam; you can always set up a forum and host it in another country. I have experience with Open Source, PHP run websites and it costs close to nothing to get one set up.

Anonymous said...

Yes we all know what we saw. Such as Amanda blogging about how a doctor diagnosed her as being hypermobile and folding her wrist down parallel with her forearm then Droopy stating that this was an imitation of her and yet Amanda couldn't get it "quite right" because it's "not called hyper-mobile but hyper elasticity" and is "part of a syndrome called Ehler's Danlos". Droopy has hyper elasticity which includes the abillity to stretch the skin beyond what is considered normal. Amanda has hyper mobility of the joints and her skin doesn't stretch in the manner that Droopy's does. So in effect Droopy is saying that somehow, Amanda is bending her joints in a way that is not possible for the rest of us in an attempt to imitate Droopy, while at the same time not conforming to Droopy's Disease and therfore is imitating her poorly and even though hyper mobility is a know syndrome, it isn't right because it is not the syndrome Droopy has? What kind of rediculous backwards logic do you subscribe to? Oh wait, I've read all your other posts...

amanda supporter said...

The evidence that has been posted here suggests that Amanda is a fraud. My comments concerning that are not slander, just my opinion.

Opinion that - if proven to be false and malicious - is slanderous because it damages the target. The evidence here is non conclusive to a neutral observer - which you are clearly not.

Get a lawyer. You'll need one.

Fore Sam said...

Amanda supporter, Get a brain, you might need it.

Joeymom said...

Watson: I have no idea if Amanda Baggs is autistic or not. I don't really care. I just don't like things like "autism must be diagnosed by 3 or 4 years of age", which is utterly untrue (you have to show signs, but actual diagnosis is not the same as when you show signs) and "Those who are really autistic are diagnosed very young because they have something seriously wrong" which I am finding out increasingly is not true, especially for people with Asperger's Syndrome and those misdiagnosed with other disorders that may effect communication and/or social skills, and particularly "autism was not misdiagnosed by anyone after 1943." That's so ridiculous, it needs no further comment.


With the more of my friends and acquaintences who "come out" as ASD, I am believing less and less in "epidemic" and more and more in "a diagnosis of autism has become associated with shame, disability, and discrimination." My friends who have come forward recently are afriad of losing their jobs if they admit to employers that they have autism. There is a "don't ask, don't tell" sort of attitude towards it in the current workplace. Very strange, since these peopel have been performing fine (at the least) in their jobs, and living independently for years.

When Joey was two, he was completely non-verbal. He is now verbal. He has not been "speaking in sentences for some time" in any regular fashion- in fact, it was so rare as to be extremely noteworthy, and included in "letters home"...

No, Joey is not a major head-banger, or hand-flapper, and his tantrums and meltdowns are very rare. I work had to keep it that way. He works harder. Yes, he went to using breif phrases to regularly using sentences, instead of being completely non-verbal to suddenly speaking in sentences. He ain't Charles Wallace. Does that make our shock and joy less valuable to you? Does that make us less autistic in your eyes? So be it. Nothing I can do about that, really.

We've looked into AIT. Why does everyone automatically assume when someone mentions a problem their child is having, they haven't looked into , or even completed, obvious, relevant therapeutic methodologies. It is a therapy, not a cure- so surprise! we still have processing problems, we're just able to function better. Sorry if you've been lead to believe AIT solves the problem completely. It doesn't. And remember- my kid, according to you, is "mild" (according to his medical and educational teams, he's "moderate").

I have noted several times elsewhere in this blog's comments that Joey's autism was not caused by vaccines. He has always been autistic. We have friends who saw the dramatic regression after vaccines. Autism has no one cause or trigger. So no, Joey was not like your child. He's always been a very happy little guy, except when the frustration with communicating and sensory overload strike. We've worked ahard to support him and keep him a happy, healthy little guy.

As to nitpicking posts and comments, well, have fun. It seems like a fun hobby for a perfectionist, I bet my kid will love it when he gets older.

If you want my opinion of Ms. Baggs, all I can say is I have been to her website. It contains some interesting information. However, her attitude towards other people is not the best. She tends to lump all parents together, so that she comes across as accusing me of abuse of my child, which I do not appreciate. As with any resource, it is important to look at the site with a thoughtful, critical eye. I usually recommend sites that have more information about specific methods and therapies for supporing kids than something like that. I think "Welcome to Holland" is a bit more useful for parents who are trying to cope with the emotional strains of raising a child with disabilities.

the informer said...

John, I found Phil's blog! You'd better give it a look!

http://timelordphil.bigblog.com

And he doesn't allow comments.

And not only that;

http://philsworld.wiki-site.com/index.php/Mercury_Poisoning_-_The_Myth

And;

http://philsworld.wiki-site.com/index.php/Fore_Sam

This is all attached to his new website.

Fore Sam said...

Informer, I checked the last link. Is Phil a comedy writer?

watson said...

Joeymom, let’s get a few things clear.

I did not say that "autism was not misdiagnosed by anyone after 1943”. Kanner’s *paper* was published in 1943.

Nor did I say that "autism must be diagnosed by 3 or 4 years of age", but it's not surprising that people believe that autism must be diagnosed by that age, when what is meant by the term is constantly changing - and seems to have changed considerably since the turn of the century.

Nor did I say that vaccines were the only cause of autism. I have already listed quite a few other causes.

Nor did I say that “AIT solves the problem (auditory processing) completely”. AIT was merely a suggestion.

Nor did I say that your son was mildly autistic. You said so yourself in July last year. And the subject of your son’s degree of autism was only relevant to the point I was trying to make about Ms Baggs.

You said that some people with mild autism would have been missed. I was trying to point out that if Ms Baggs had been even as mildly autistic as your son, she would not have been missed. Would you agree?

Now, you said:
I have no idea if Amanda Baggs is autistic or not. I don't really care.

And yet you say that her attitude towards other people is not the best, and she comes across as accusing you of abusing your child which you don’t appreciate. I think whether Baggs is, and always has been severely autistic, should matter a great deal to all parents of children with autism.

Ms Baggs has become the mouthpiece of the ND movement and, because she looks and behaves like children who are severely disabled with autism, parents are listening to her "Anti-cure, Celebrate Autism" propaganda.

On the subject of your many friends and acquaintances “coming out”: If they are successful in their jobs and living independently, why on earth would they have to, or even want to "come out"? It sounds to me like they are joining the crusade, like the gay movement in the 70s when homosexuals started coming out of the closet and shouting "Me too!”

If people are good at their jobs, who really cares if they are homosexual, nerds or asocial? Obviously, so far, your friends haven't been discriminated against, so why should they bother to mention they've got an ASD or Aspergers?

Does that make our shock and joy less valuable to you? Does that make us less autistic in your eyes?

Not in the least. You are at the beginning of a long, hard road that many parents before you have trodden, and, as one parent of an autistic child to another, you have my utmost sympathy.

That’s why I believe in treatments and therapy, and am anti the ND movement.

I usually recommend sites that have more information about specific methods and therapies for supporing kids than something like that.

Do many parents take umbrage at your recommendations or suggestions, as you did with mine?

Joeymom, *I* am not the enemy, you know. I'm all for curing children with autism.

watson said...

John, this might be of interest:

http://lists.extropy.org/pipermail/extropy-chat/2007-February/032987.html

Fore Sam said...

Watson, So, she spoke fluently in normal English at college. I wonder if any of her doctors found a reason why she lost the ability to talk but can still sing. One would think she could just talk in a singing voice instead of using that talking machine.
If she did that though, she might not be so useful to Neuroinsanity's goal of preventing any autistic children from being helped.
I hope I don't get threatening letters from any nitwit lawyers for saying that.

watson said...

John, I'd certainly like to hear her lawyer's response to the message, and those of the 'Amanda is autistic' supporters who post here.

BTW, did you know that David Seidel went to Simon's Rock College? Not at the same time, he's a lot older. But I wonder if they met at a reunion....

jonsmum said...

Maxima;
"Jonsmum, don't take comments on here to heart. I know I could never imagine what it's like having an autistic child but people's opinions or lack of understanding should never get into your heart."

Thanks Maxima. I do have a tendancy (as Phil would say) to take things to heart, but I'm working on it!

Fore Sam said...

Watson, Isn't Dave Seidel some sort of musician? Maybe Amanda was a groupy.

maxima said...

Foresam said: "Watson, Isn't Dave Seidel some sort of musician? Maybe Amanda was a groupy."

ROFL. I love this place, sarcasm at it's best ;-)

amanda supporter said...

I'd certainly like to hear her lawyer's response to the message, and those of the 'Amanda is autistic' supporters who post here.

The message itself admits that Amanda "fluctuated". When she spoke in an organised environment, that was routine (essential to Autistics) so no problem. The fluctuations come from going from a routine environment to an ad-hoc one.

Hardly proof that Amanda is not Autistic!

Get it through your skulls, fools. Amanda Baggs is Autistic.

Fore Sam said...

I guess that proves it then. If an anonymous nitwit can call us fools, Amanda must be an actress.

amanda supporter said...

How the hell do you work that out? Get a brain, dumbass - you're making no sense!

Fore Sam said...

Amanda supporter, I know it didn't make sense. I'm trying to figure out a way to communicate with you. I'll keep trying.

amanda supporter said...

I'm trying to figure out a way to communicate with you. I'll keep trying.

Try using words. Heard of them? They contain LETTERS put together in the correct order. Can you do that? Can you put the words in the right order?

Obviously not.

So who's the person who can't communicate again? Sure isn't me!

jewlz said...

this site was funny.
i am autistic myself and i have to say this is the most stupid site i have visited for a while.


keep up the good work.


i should start a "hate neurotypicals" site.
hmm
thank you for inspiring me

Fore Sam said...

Sham supporter, Is it common for schizophrenics to become autistic?

Anonymous said...

sorry for change of subject but ...

just saw the aunt of virginia tech mass murderer on CNN. she's korean so it was translated. she said he was always like this, as a child he was cold & withdrawn. she had been told he had autism.

Anonymous said...
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Anonymous said...

sorry link didn't work. try again

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/19/vtech.shooting/index.html

Just in case here's part of it ~

Cho's great-aunt, Kim Yang-soon, said Cho was diagnosed with autism after coming to U.S. in 1992. Speaking from her home in South Korea, she described Cho as "very cold" and said her niece was constantly worried about him.

"Every time I called and asked how he was, she would say she was worried about him," Kim said, according to a translation from the AP. "Who would have known he would cause such trouble, the idiot."

Anonymous said...

Well, well, well - isn't that interesting. Now CNN has removed the word "autism" from the article. It is gone from the introductory paragraph & also the one I posted here. Wanna bet they'll no longer run the video of the old lady saying he was diagnosed with autism?? Here's how the paragraph now reads

Cho's great-aunt, Kim Yang-soon, described Cho as "very cold" and said her niece was constantly worried about him, according to a translation from the AP.

Fore Sam said...

I'd like to know why they changed that story.

Anonymous said...

"I'd like to know why they changed that story."

me too. i've been searching the CNN website for any trace of it. i can't find it. also, they have a list of all their video's & i can't find that interview with the aunt. i've been checkin the AP website for a copy of it but so far nothing.

that is amazing. you had told me before about the power of advertising dollars as it influences media. i am shocked.

Fore Sam said...

Maybe a drug company thought it would lead to the truth about autism.

Anonymous said...

"Maybe a drug company thought it would lead to the truth about autism."

that's exactly what we think. man, they move fast. lot's of money involved, huh?

amanda supporter said...

Sham supporter, Is it common for schizophrenics to become autistic?

What was common is for autistics to be mis-diagnosed as schizophrenic! That's what happened to Amanda - and it's happened to lots of others as well!

Anonymous said...

I asked CNN, and they said the translation was incorrect.

Question is - is that the real reason? I guess we'll never know.

Anonymous said...

here's the video of the aunt. if the link doesn't work it's at CNN. it's not the same as i saw this afternoon. it's alittle longer now & the translation contains no mention of autism as it previously did.

http://www.cnn.com/video/player/player.html?url=/video/world/2007/04/19/chance.cho.relatives.speak.ap

Fore Sam said...

Sham supporter, Nobody could ever misdiagnose a train wreck as portrayed by Amanda in her role of a low functioning autistic.

Anonymous said...

CNN.com International ... by gunman Cho Seung-Hui on the morning of his campus killing spree. Cho's great aunt said Thursday the 23-year-old had been diagnosed with autism. ...
edition.cnn.com/?eref=edition - Apr 19, 2007 - Similar pages


http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=aunt+says+Cho+Seung-Hui+had+autism&btnG=Google+Search

Anonymous said...

I'd bet you wouldn't find one case of a supposedly low functioning autistic adult who could talk fluently until the age 13 and then lost their speech.
I'd bet if you were a fly on the wall in Amandas house you would probably find her and her partner talking normally to each other, discussing what would be the best strategy to get her out of this mess she's made for herself.
And you would probably find Amanda lying in bed awake, worried sick, unable to sleep not knowing what true details of her real life might be revealed tomorrow.

amanda supporter said...

Sham supporter, Nobody could ever misdiagnose a train wreck as portrayed by Amanda in her role of a low functioning autistic.

Oh yes they could! Easily! You obviously don't believe quacks exist. Oh of course you do! Make up your mind! Do quacks exist or don't they?

Fore Sam said...

Sham supporter, It was quacks who put mercury in vaccines without testing for safety. But, even a nitwit like you could not miss a train wreck.

Fore Sam said...

Anon, We could probably check with her neighbors and see if they've heard any loud arguments over who was going to wear the strap on dildo.

Anonymous said...

AutismLink Reacts to Diagnosis of Autism in Virginia Tech Shooter 19 Apr 2007 23:03 GMT
... PITTSBURGH, April 19 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- AutismLink and Autism Center of Pittsburgh Director Cindy Waeltermann today ... individual should not reflect upon the entire autistic population. It is unfair to blame Cho's ...

/K I L L K I L L K I L L -- AutismLink/ 19 Apr 2007 21:57 GMT
... journalists and other readers should disregard the news release, AutismLink Reacts to Diagnosis of Autism in Virginia Tech Shooter, issued earlier today over PR Newswire. Cindy Waeltermann, Director of AutismLink, ...

Anonymous said...

AutismLink Reacts to Diagnosis of Autism in Virginia Tech Shooter



PITTSBURGH, April 19 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- AutismLink and Autism
Center of Pittsburgh Director Cindy Waeltermann today issued a statement
regarding the recent revelation that Virginia Tech shooter Cho Seung-Hui
was diagnosed with autism as a child.
"While the entire autism community in Pittsburgh and across the nation
are devastated by the recent events at Virginia Tech, we would like to
caution the public not to stigmatize children or individuals with autism.
Cho likely did not receive the help and support that he needed early on --
that is why early intervention is so important, and that is why places like
the Autism Center of Pittsburgh exist. The act of one individual should not
reflect upon the entire autistic population.
It is unfair to blame Cho's actions on autism when he was clearly
psychologically impaired and likely had another disorder in addition to his
autism. His psychological evaluations apparently revealed a dark history
that concluded that he was an imminent danger to himself and others and was
also depressed.
This is a wake up call that stresses the importance of early
intervention, research, and appropriate treatment strategies. Many strides
have been made in autism spectrum disorders and research has consistently
shown that when children receive the help that they need early on they are
more likely to become more adept at social and communication skills.
Autism affects 1 in 150 children and is now the most commonly diagnosed
developmental disability in the world. It is time to recognize autism for
the epidemic it is."



SOURCE AutismLink

amanda supporter said...

But, even a nitwit like you could not miss a train wreck.

Train wreck does NOT equal Autism automatically! What are you, a quack yourself? You admitted there are quacks around - so why don't you admit they are capable of fucking up a diagnosis huh?

phil said...

Hey Phil, I think you've gone off the deep end. Do you own a gun? PLease get some help soon

I don't need any help, Best - certainly not the rubbish you're advocating.

Guns are for cowards. I am not a coward. You are - and I have noticed that I'm nowhere near the only person to say that on here!

Stay off my website. That is your ONLY warning.

Fore Sam said...

Phil, Wouldn't you call it cowardly to write ridiculous nonsense about someone and then try to prevent them from seeing what you wrote? Your enemies list is hilarious, Phil. Are you trying to become a comedy writer?

Fore Sam said...

Sham supporter, How many people do you think Amanda fooled on CNN? Sure, some of us see through her act but most who saw that would agree she was, at least giving a great performance of imitating an autistic person. Nobody would say she was imitating a paranoid schizophrenic.

phil said...

Wouldn't you call it cowardly to write ridiculous nonsense about someone and then try to prevent them from seeing what you wrote?

You can see it. What you can't do is join up and throw your bullshit on it. You're a bully - and bullies are cowards.

Go fuck yourself.

Fore Sam said...

Phil, Does this mean I get to stay at the top of your Enemies list?
It's a good ploy to call sane people bullies because they point out your insanity. You should be thanking me for telling you this. A psychiatrist would charge you a fortune. A more intelligent response would be to try Andy Cutler's protocol and see if helps you think more clearly.

phil said...

You're not sane, Best. You're insane. My article on you (which is about to be updated) covers that accurately and with the truth. As does my article on Mercury Poisoning (The Myth).

Chelation will do nothing for me. Because I have not been poisoned. Aspergers - like Autism - is genetic.

That's all from me.

Fore Sam said...

Phil, You won't know if chelation will help you until you try it. Your stupidity may be genetic but the Asperger's is mercury poisoning.

dan jewell said...

Stop bullying Phil you moron! I looked at the links Informer provided, and what he says makes sense. You're only angry with him because he just might be proving you wrong! You're a brat!

Anonymous said...

Hey Phil~ Why don't you tell us what the name of the gene is and where it is in your body? I think the world would like to know, I'm sure you'd be paid a ton of money for the discovery.

dan jewell said...

I'm sure Phil would love to find out, just to prove you all wrong. But because you lot continue to divert the focus it's not being found. You're making science waste time on your wild theories. Shut so that progress can be made!!

Fore Sam said...

Dan, Phil is mentally challenged. If you're a friend of his, see that he gets help, will you.

dan jewell said...

No, he's not. He's perfectly sane. His website proves it. I am able to look at this from a neutral stand point. You can not. If you keep this up he just might sue you so I would be careful.

Fore Sam said...

"This article - contrary to another opinion - is NOT a comedy piece. It is DEADLY serious, and the truth."
This is Phil Gluyas' new heading in his manifesto about me. It's found under his "Enemies" list. Thanks for another good laugh, Phil. I'm going to alert the FBI about you. You're delusional. You need help before you become dangerous.

Heraldblog said...

Baggs never claimed to be low functioning.

Fore Sam said...

Hey Phil, I notice you begging Kevin to let you join the Autism Hub of Insanity. I think you'd fit right in but it looks like you're a little too wacked for even Kevin to want to be associated with you. Please get that counselling you need so desperately.

Anonymous said...

The kids who smear and cannot talk are the ones being harmed the most by the anti-cure/Amanda Baggs crowd.

It seems Amanda, who is now in diapers, was once toilet trained. Once she could speak and now she, apparently, cannot. Once she could walk and now she uses a wheelchair.

How is this even possible?

I have never heard of this type of regression in association with autism. Is it documented anywhere?

Amanda says she has been diagnosed as low functioning. Who the heck would not be if they began using diapers and refused to walk or talk.

Fore Sam said...

Anon, You better be careful. You might get letters from some nitwit lawyer telling you not to say bad things about Amanda.

maxima said...

Foresam, have you heard from any lawyers yet?

I just read some comments on here and I'm glad there are more readers starting to see the light.

Foresam, I wonder if you could get autism at your age; you know since it's genetic you better start investing in some diapers and a wheelchair. Thank god you have this blog, at least you'll still be able to type your thoughts to us. Who knows, you might get your 15 minutes of fame on CNN? Just make sure you have a fat boyfriend that scoots around with you in a wheelchair, it will make it more convincing.

(Just incase some readers take this comment to heart, I don't really care. It might help you to look up the meaning of satire.)

Fore Sam said...

Maxima, I've been chelating myself along with my son in case I have enough mercury to cause Alzheimer's. I could probably gain 200 pounds, wear a dress and find a guy to push me around while I fake Alzheimer's though.
I think the lawyers are only interested in picking on autistic people.

maxima said...

ROFL, picturing you in a dress in a wheel chair....

Talking about alzheimers, I've heard that some studies link it to metals collecting in the brain over time. One of the more common ingredients in cosmetics and lotions is titanium dioxide; nice, huh. It makes you wonder what they really put in our foods. Like who knows what all those E400, E200's mean?

It would take a chemist to analyze what all those chemicals really are, sometimes there are 3 different names for the same chemical. MSG has a bad history of that here in Europe; foods were being mislabeled and people that were allergic had no idea they were digesting MSG.

Fore Sam said...

Maxima, I read an article someplace that claimed the drugs they were using to alleviate Alzheimer's symptoms were killing patients much earlier than normal. That's a good plan if they want to knock off the baby boomers quickly to save social security. Fits right in with shoving the flu shot on old people.

Anonymous said...

Christ, you two are so damn insenstive! Just shut up will you?

Noetic said...

fore sam: "Amanda supporter, I know it didn't make sense. I'm trying to figure out a way to communicate with you. I'll keep trying."

I disagree with many things on this blog, as I do with many on "the opposite side", but I must say this is the wisest thing I have read all day.

Never ever give up trying - if we could all (autistic and non-autistic) keep trying, a lot of misunderstandings and conflicts might never even occur....

Anonymous said...

One more thing I do not get about Ms Baggs and that is the size of the girl. Looks should not matter and do not matter to me, however, the autistics/Asperger's in my life have food issues. They do not like the texture of this, do not like the taste of that, the smell of something else. Then there are the gut problems. They are slim and the problem has always been keeping the weight on, not gaining out of control like Amanda.

Is it usual for autistics/aspies to be able to eat so much they grow overweight?

Fore Sam said...

The lack of exercise would contribute to the obesity. One would think that all that hand flapping would burn some calories. Maybe she only hand flaps for the cameras.

Anonymous said...

"The lack of exercise would contribute to the obesity. One would think that all that hand flapping would burn some calories. Maybe she only hand flaps for the cameras."

Yeah, and all that hate you express should have made your brain explode.

maxima said...

Another anonymous said: "Christ, you two are so damn insenstive! Just shut up will you?"

Stop reading this place. Do you say that to all the beings that offend you on this earth? I can imagine you sending e-mails to news forums, etc.

What I say is my opinion, we live in a western society that supports that right ;)

watson said...

maxima said...
Watson, I'm very tempted to e-mail Daniel M. Drucker.

I think he'd say what he has said on this page:

(Search for comments posted by "DMD")
http://www.metafilter.com/58058/In-My-Language

Seeing as he has a good memory, it's not that surprising that Amanda doesn't "wish to be contacted by him, directly or indirectly, in any way, shape, or form"....

Fore Sam said...

Watson, What did he say, there's too many comments to search through it.

watson said...

Okaaay...

"Holy crap. I went to college with her, 1994-1995.

And I was with her when she went into a hospital for the first time - I was the one who made the phone call.

She ... self-medicated? with LSD from February to May, almost nonstop, though the sheer quantities involved weren't really appreciated by most of us around her."

"For anyone interested, volumes-worth of her writing may be found by searching Google Groups for nightsng@netcom.com or "Galiganinda Dulin"."

Question from LooseFilter:
"Also: dmd, I'm very interested to hear a little more--why so much LSD? If her consciousness is already tuned into a much wider sensory world, what on earth kind of effect did LSD have?"

"Nightsong (as she called herself then) was, back then, thoroughly convinced that she had Dissociative Identity Disorder.

She wrote long descriptions - which I only wish I had permission to share with you all - brilliantly written stories of the elves and fairies inhabiting - or comprising - her selves.

I think one of the things self-medication did for her was reify her inner world - i.e., it caused her world of perception to better match her world of cognition.

If you knew you were surrounded by elves, wouldn't you feel better if you could at least see them?"

(posted by dmd January 25)

Anonymous said...

Do you say that to all the beings that offend you on this earth?

Are you seriously expecting me or any sane person to accept that Alzeimers has anything to do with Autism? Of course not! So leave it out of the argument! My grandmother has it.

I came here because this site talked about Autism. You have the right to an opinion, but I have an equal right to demand compassion have I not? If I don't then yes, I will leave - and proceed to sites like that of Kevin Leitch and this Phil person where hopefully there is more compassion for those with any problem let alone Autism or Alzeimers!

the informer said...

Thanks for another good laugh, Phil. I'm going to alert the FBI about you.

Ummm, John - the FBI has no power in Australia, in case you didn't know. You would need to contact the Federal Police here direct, or maybe through Interpol.

And he is responding to your comments on that article about you. He's even added a seperate page now with "updates".

And there's a fresh post on his blog about some court decision down here concerning ADHD if you're interested.

Fore Sam said...

Informer, The FBI would make sure Phil didn't gain entrance to the USA. I don't care what he does in Australia but we don't need any more crazies here. Phil is so far gone, they won't even let him into the Autism Hub. And we know how many psycho's are associated with them.

Fore Sam said...

Other Anon, Alzheimer's is also caused by mercury. If your relatives have it, it is due to an inability to get rid of toxins. That's the genetic part of both conditions.

Anonymous said...

No it's not, you lying bastard! My grandmother was tested for it, and she had none! So shut your filthy dishonest mouth before I come to your house and wire it shut!

Fore Sam said...

Anonymous Coward, Bring it.

Anonymous said...

Name the place, brain dead! I'll bring the wire. I'll be doing a lot of people a big favour!

Fore Sam said...

Anon, First I need to know who you are, coward.

Anonymous said...

You don't need to know, so why should I tell you? You'll find out soon enough!

Anonymous said...

Anonymous Coward, Bring it.

That was a stupid thing to say, Foresam. This bravado will end up costing you your life if you keep it up. There are plenty of Cho's around - this could be one of them! For God's sake be careful! You have to stay around for the sake of your son.

Googlybear said...

No it's not, you lying bastard! My grandmother was tested for it, and she had none! So shut your filthy dishonest mouth before I come to your house and wire it shut!

So basically you would rather your grandmother spend her days with her memory and body function rotting away than seek out chelation therapy? That's some real compassion there. By the by, Alzheimers has been linked to Aluminum for years.

Joeker said...

Googly: Okay, so it's been linked to Aluminum for years... Why does Fore think it's mercury? Bit of a contradiction, confused me.

Oh, and by the way Anon, it wouldn't do much good, wiring his mouth shut. You see, we're communicating by keyboard...
Yeah, you can understand the problem with that, correct?

james said...

Joeker,

"Okay, so it's been linked to Aluminum for years... Why does Fore think it's mercury? Bit of a contradiction, confused me."

Try googling "aluminium in vaccines" and you'll get something like this.

"Vancouver neuroscientist Chris Shaw shows a link between the aluminum hydroxide used in vaccines, and symptoms associated with Parkinson’s, amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS, or Lou Gehrig’s disease), and Alzheimer’s...."

Also, from "Mercury on the Mind by Donald W. Miller, Jr., MD"

"We have demonstrated the toxicity of thimerosal by using it to kill neurons in culture. At 50 nanomolar thimerosal the neuron killing capacity/rate is about doubled with the addition of levels of aluminium found in vaccines. The aluminium alone at this level is not demonstrated to be toxic, so it is enhancing the toxicity of the thimerosal. It likely does this by increasing the rate that thimerosal breaks down releasing ethylmercury which is the toxic material"

"synergistic toxicity - mercury's enhanced effect when other poisons are present. A small dose of mercury that kills 1 in 100 rats and a dose of aluminum that will kill 1 in 100 rats, when combined have a striking effect: all the rats die. Doses of mercury that have a 1 percent mortality will have a 100 percent mortality rate if some aluminum is there. Vaccines contain aluminum."

http://www.whale.to/y/aluminium.htm

Please read this link Joeker.
I presume you want to have kids in the future? You should be concerened about vaccines, and exactly what's in them before you even think about trying to "reduce your mercury hypothesis to a quivering puddle."

The US licensed vaccines for children that contain aluminum adjuvants are (3):

DTP (diphtheria-tetanus-pertussis vaccine)
DTaP (diphtheria-tetanus-acellular pertussis vaccine)
Some but not all Hib (Haemophilus influenzae type b) conjugate vaccines
Pneumococcal conjugate vaccine
Hepatitis B vaccines
All combination DTaP, Tdap, Hib, or Hepatitis B vaccines
Hepatitis A vaccines
Human Papillomavirus vaccine
Anthrax vaccine
Rabies vaccine

A lot of these vaccines used to contain unsafe levels of thimerosal on it's own, but to have thimerosal and aluminium together....

watson said...

Joeker said...
Why does Fore think it's mercury?

Obviously, Fore Sam knows about the apoE protein. And you don't.

Anonymous said...

So basically you would rather your grandmother spend her days with her memory and body function rotting away than seek out chelation therapy?

Chelation therapy is for removing mercury! My grandmother HAS NONE! She's been checked! Can't you read??

Got any other ideas, bastard or bitch? (Whichever applies)

Joeker said...

Coming back to the basics, the top comments...

Those who are really autistic are diagnosed very young because they have something seriously wrong. Baggs didn't fit or she would not have been missed. If she had acted the way she does on her videos as a child, she would have been diagnosed by anyone who met her.

I wasn't DXed until I was 8, and only after extensive examinations to determine just what I had. Now, doesn't it say somewhere that Amanda was diagnosed with other things before hand? I seem to recall it being here somewhere... Anyone help to find the conditions she was DXed with before Autism?

Oh, I believe I found something. Schizophrenia. Ctrl+F for schizophrenic or schizophrenia, you'll find some intriguing admittances.

One of which is apparently, Amanda Baggs WAS diagnosed, with Schizophrenia. Maybe cormorbid, maybe mis-diagnosed? Look at facts, find the facts. Truths are of opinion with Fore, as I've found.

After all, some things stand out about Autism, and some are less visible. Some fit a different diagnosis very well. I should know, having been DXed at 8, around ten years ago, and it was a "Which category is best-suited?" question for the final DX.

Googlybear said...

Mercury isn't the only metal that is neurotoxic. I can't remember who made the comment, but she said that her grandmother was tested for heavy metals and didn't have any. I pointed out that mainstream medicine has been linking aluminum to alzheimers for years. That proves that at least one neurotoxic metal is there. If the body isn't able to rid one metal, it is likely that is isn't able to detox itself from mercury, lead, antimony..etc, either. That is what chelation therapy is for.

Alzheimers is a devastating disease. Could you imagine living your whole life independantly and then suddenly you begin to forget things, then you forget your loved ones, then you forget who you are entirely. It is unfortunate that mainstream medicine knows that aluminum causes alzheimers but does nothing to remove it. The patients just get warehoused until they end up on the hospice unit and die.

Googlybear said...

Please read this link Joeker.
I presume you want to have kids in the future? You should be concerened about vaccines, and exactly what's in them before you even think about trying to "reduce your mercury hypothesis to a quivering puddle."


I wanted to add something. I think that families with tendencies towards autism spectrum issues need to be educated on the inherent weaknesses that tend to co-exist in this group. They need to do this so they can learn to protect their offspring from damage. My family is one of those families and I will educate my children on how to protect their children and protect their own future health. My husband and I, we both have spectrum type issues of different sorts, so we are having our amalgam fillings removed and are going to do chelation also.

Googlybear said...

Make no mistake, Anon, I'm a bitch when I wanna be. You have anger issues, so what does that make you, a rage-a-holic or an asshole.

Chelation therapy is for removing mercury! My grandmother HAS NONE! She's been checked! Can't you read??

Chelation therapy is for removing all sorts of metals. Since you are not educated on chelation therapy, then I figure you are not educated on how to detect whether someone is metal toxic or not.

Googlybear said...

Joeker,

I'm pretty sure you were missed because you were highly intellegent and probably very verbal.

Amanda is claiming she is a non-verbal, low functioning autistic person. You don't miss that kind of behavior in small children. If my daughter was dx'd at 3 after 1/2 an hour, and she is verbal, nobody was missing Amanda's alleged issues. Schizophrenia is usually very rare in children. A low functioning, non verbal person, if they were missed for an autism diagnosis, would have been likely diagnosed with mental retardation or some kind of developmenetal disability. Low functiong presentations are much easier to spot. If she is acting the way she portrays in her videos, then she was likely much more affected as a child, as most people on the spectrum are; if we are to believe her story. Nobody is going to miss that. Childhood schizophrenia is very rare. Most schizophrenic onsets occur in teens into the 30's.

I believe Amanda is suffering from a disorder however. It is called Munchausen Syndrome. It is a disorder in which the person fakes an illness or psychiatric disorder in order to get attention. Some people with Munchausen will put themselves through some extraordinary circumstances, like painful testing or they will do things to make themselves ill, in order to prove their alleged condition. As the token low functioning adult who can function quite well, she is the perfect ND poster child for low functioning autism. She can write essays on disability rights, buy her own diapers and make videos of herself stimming with water. What could be better. Now that low functioning problem group is all solved. Amanda is the hero and spokesperson, and she gets all kinds of attention that she craves.

Anonymous said...

Since you are not educated on chelation therapy, then I figure you are not educated on how to detect whether someone is metal toxic or not.

The people who checked my grandmother are, bitch! And there was NO POISONING!!! So don't fucking tell me what's what when YOU have no idea!!! Do I have to repeat this over and over until I'm blue in the face??? SHE WAS CHECKED!!!

Obviously you can't read if you don't get it now!

james said...

Anon,
"The people who checked my grandmother are, bitch! And there was NO POISONING!!! So don't fucking tell me what's what when YOU have no idea!!! Do I have to repeat this over and over until I'm blue in the face??? SHE WAS CHECKED!!!"

What metal/s was she checked for, if you don't mind me asking?

Googlybear said...

Rage-a-holic.

snicker

Don't let your head explode with that nasty temper.

Fine then, its hereditary. Look forward to alzheimers in your old age.

Joeker said...

Googly: That's likely the main cause, I think.

Anonymous said...

What metal/s was she checked for, if you don't mind me asking?

All of them, James. One of the doctors did express surprise at negative result - probably because he thought the same as Googly.

And if defending family makes me a rage-a-holic, Googly - then fine. You lied about my grandmother without knowing. How would you respond if I did the same to a member of your family, huh?

Googlybear said...

Anon, I don't think I would really care if you said something about my grandmother. Nobody here really knows me, you or my grandma.

If there are no metals, there are still things you can do to try to improve her condition. Look into things like phosphatidyl choline, essential fatty acids and various nutritional supplements. There are plenty of good books on the subject.

Joeker said...

Oops! Made a mistake, I should clarify it!

I meant my last comment here, on what Googly said about them missing me. I have to agree, as I was onto full sentences young, etc. so on and so forth, I believe we've been over this.

So... yeah. That's about it. Ciao!

Droopy said...

"You can shine your shoes and wear a suit
You can comb your hair and look quite cute
You can hide your face behind a smile
One thing you can't hide
Is when you're crippled inside

You can wear a mask and paint your face
You can call yourself the human race
You can wear a collar and a tie
One thing you can't hide
Is when you're crippled inside

Well now you know that your
Cat has nine lives
Nine lives to itself
But you only got one
And a dog's life ain't fun
Mamma take a look outside

You can go to church and sing a hymn
You can judge me by the color of my skin
You can live a lie until you die
One thing you can't hide
Is when you're crippled inside

Well now you know that your
Cat has nine lives
Nine lives to itself
But you only got one
And a dog's life ain't fun
Mamma take a look outside

You can go to church and sing a hymn
You can judge me by the color of my skin
You can live a lie until you die
One thing you can't hide
Is when you're crippled inside

One thing you can't hide
Is when you're crippled inside
One thing you can't hide
Is when you're crippled inside"


A paranoid schizophrenic attention-seeking (and very broken inside) sort of person stalked, copied, and eventually killed the author of these lyrics.

This song is "Crippled Inside"
on the Imagine album,
by John Lennon

Fore Sam said...

Droopy, Thanks for that. You already got attacked by friends of a schizophrenic. I don't think they'll go after you in person, they're too cowardly.

Fore Sam said...

Droopy, Please send me an email so I can talk to you off this blog. bettwice33@juno.com
I'm holding your last comment for now so you don't give Baggs and her scumbag lawyer any more ammunition to go after you.

Jonsmum said...

Droopy;
I just wanted to say that on reading a certain blog several months ago, by a well known autism advocate who at the time made allegations claiming that they were being accused of 'stealing your identity', I believed they were fabricating an elaborate story to cover up their lies, and to gain public sympathy and support.

This person has 'allegedly', attempted to steal YOUR identity, using the best form of defence, which is attack.

I and many others BELIEVE YOU.
I only wish that others who visit this blog and this particular post, would voice their support by reassuring you that although there may always two sides to a story, they believe yours to be the truth.

Fore Sam said...

Jonsmum, Droopy may opt not to comment here but she is reading. It is best that she does not give any scumbag lawyers any ammunition with which to attack her.

jonsmum said...

I understand.

Droopy, if you are reading this, I hope everything works out right for you.
BTW, John Lennon was and always will be my favourite Beatle.

Googlybear said...

Droopy, you have my support too. There are others of us who were not snowed by intricately woven stories.

Anonymous said...

I don't know much about Droopy, but I did read the "identity theft" stories on Ms Baggs's blog. At this point I do not believe a word that woman says. I think she is bilking the system while playing the victim. I've met others like her with invented disorders who take money from social services that they are not entitled to. It makes me sick when there are so many genuinely diabled people who need support. If Ms. Baggs was truly as autistic as she claims she would not be so savvy at getting the system to work for her.

Googlybear said...

Anonymous, you are right on the money. I don't even know developmentally disabled adults who are higher functioning than she claims to be who know how to work the system the way she does. I have though seen adults who have had to live within the system for a long time learn how to manipulate people around them to get what they want. Usually the ones who are very manipulative, are those who have mental illnesses as opposed to developmental delays.

Anonymous said...

I have heard that Amanda and her lawyer have a case all lined up and almost ready to go. Expect to hear from her very soon, Foreskin! If the rumour is true.

Maybe you should just shut your mouth. Or get yourself a medical degree pretty damn quick!

Fore Sam said...

Anon, I doubt any lawyer would actually bring a fraud into court and expose her to questioning. She'd look pretty foolish taking the fifth ammendment while trying to prove that anything that was said about her was not true.
What would happen if she lost? Would CNN apologize for using her to scam the general public? That would give national exposure to the fact that neurodiversity is a complete sham. No, I don't think they want that.

Googlybear said...

I have heard that Amanda and her lawyer have a case all lined up and almost ready to go. Expect to hear from her very soon, Foreskin! If the rumour is true.

ROFLOL!!! Do you know how silly it sounds for someone to be entering into a lawsuit against people on the internet.

To borrow a line from Shakespear, "The lady doth protest too much, methinks."

Anonymous said...

Thr twerp who keeps calling John Foreskin is some idiot from Aspies For Freedom who actually posted on that site that he intended to go on this blog and call John Foreskin. And they say Aspies are clever!

Fore Sam said...

The person from Aspies for Freedom is showing off their brain damage. It's really a cry for help,he wants to be cured.