Tuesday, January 23, 2007

Autism Hub's Dishonesty

I just have a brief example of the dishonesty of the Autism Hub bloggers here. This one comes from the Autism Street blog run by DoC (Dad of Cameron). He asks the following question:

"From a very basic scientific perspective, all the speculation, all of the study of possible mechanisms, and all of the assertions that “poor excretion” of heavy metals could possibly lead to autism, have skipped the single most important step - scientifically establishing the very existence of “poor excretors” in the first place."

I commented with this answer: http://www.lewrockwell.com/miller/miller14.html advising whoever might read it to scroll down to the part about APO's.
Doc, being the typical cowardly Autism Hub blogger that he is, did not publish my comment. I presume he thinks that he can blot out the truth to further his moronic agenda that it's a good idea to inject mercury into infants. He allows all of the idiotic comments that agree with his stupidity but is not man enough to back up his foolish assertions when confronted with the answer to his question. Deleting the truth won't change it, DoC.

UPDATE DoC since posted this bogus excuse for avoiding confrontations with the truth.
"Comment by Do'C — 23 January, 2007 @ 10:07 am
John, I blacklisted your e-mail address (permanently) months ago when I saw how you were treating a friend of mine online. Your comment was not deleted, it was prevented from being sent in the first place. I’ll go ahead and post it for you from the trackback link in my log files."


So, we see that Doc uses lame excuses like this because he doesn't like confrontations. Oh, it's so sad that I treated some idiot friend of his poorly. This is not a very good way to circumvent the truth about mercury and vaccines. It's just as cowardly as kevin Leitch's throwing everyone off his blog who disagrees with him and makes him look foolish.

48 comments:

Joseph said...

So in your mind a good source of scientific opinion and medical advice is a web page which states that:

"The disease was not seen in Europe until the 1950s, after thimerosal was added to vaccines used there."

Whereas common knowledge is that Hans Asperger first published about autism in 1944.

And this:

"In the 1950s, with an immunization schedule limited to four vaccines (against diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis, and smallpox), 1 in 10,000 children developed this disease."

Wrong prevalence and unsubstantiated.

And this:

"And according to one study, autistic children have a huge preponderance of APO-E4 protein in their brains."

No PubMed article mentions such an association. There is one that notes a possible association with APO-E2.

Joseph said...

And this paper out of Duke University Medical Center seems to contradict the claim in that web page with all the factual errors.

Fore Sam said...

Ah Joe, Asperger pulished about Asperger's syndrome, not autism.
In the '50's, they weren't shooting up infants with mercury as soon as they were born.
Not published in Pubmed doesn't mean anything.
The post is about the lack of guts and honesty on the part of your fellow neurodiverse knuckleheads at the Autism Hub. Care to comment on DoC's lack of balls.

Fore Sam said...

And does this Duke paper excuse DoC's lack of balls or his dishonesty?

Joseph said...

No, Lorna Wing published about Asperger's syndrome. Hans Asperger published about "autistic psychopathy".

Considering that you get your information from web pages like the one you cited, such misconceptions are not surprising.

Joseph said...

You'll note DoC posted your comment manually. You're apparently blacklisted in his blog software, and who could blame him.

If you have evidence that poor heavy metal excretors exist (which is the claim by DoC you're attempting to question) you should provide a link to said evidence.

Fore Sam said...

Joe, I included the link in my comment that he didn't have the balls to publish. It's interesting that you claim he published it after I wrote this. I'll have to check. And, I'm not surprised the coward blacklists people who disagree with his deranged ideas. Isn't that what most neurodiverse knuckleheads do to avoid the truth?

Jack Mieyov said...

John, perhaps you could elaborate on your a priori dismissal of PubMed.

Anonymous said...

John, there is no association between APOE isoforms and autism, there is no association between APOE isoforms and ability to excrete mercury.

All you have is the assertions of a fringe doctor who makes this claim without offering a biologically plausible mechanism or citations to support his assertions.

Pretty clear that this meets your standards of proof but the rest of the world is unimpressed.

So let's talk about double standards and dishonesty. How many years have you been chelating your son back to health and how many micrograms of mercury does he excrete daily versus the quantity contained in all of the vaccines he received?

Fore Sam said...

Jack, I see your link talks about denial. If DoC hasn't blacklisted you for disagreeing with one of his friends, maybe you can show it to him and help him recover from his denial of the truth about mercury.
Just because something is not in Pubmed doesn't mean it isn't true.

Fore Sam said...

Anonymous ( Why are you afraid to share your name?),
Your calling a guy a fringe doctor doesn't mean his point is invalid. But, I understand that character assassination is the main thrust of the neurodiverse argument technique.
Unlike your cowardly friend, DoC, I'm happy to tell you that my son has completed about 35 to 40 rounds of chelation. He has improved gradually so that he is much better than he was when we began in spring of 2004. I measure the progress by his behavior, not micrograms of mercury. When he can drive a golfball 300 yards straight down the fairway, I'll be done. That's my measure.

Anonymous said...

Shit, I guess that means anyone who can't hit a little white ball is abnormal. Good luck with your goals.

Fore Sam said...

Anon, If you could get your head out of your ass long enough to take a lesson, I could teach you to do it. If I can get the mercury out of my kid's head, he'll learn. It's called enjoying life, something you knuckleheads don't understand.

Anonymous said...

"So let's talk about double standards and dishonesty. How many years have you been chelating your son back to health and how many micrograms of mercury does he excrete daily versus the quantity contained in all of the vaccines he received?"

Why haven't you answered this question? You have a lot of nerve calling other people cowards when you don't use your own name, but call yourself Fore Sam, and dodge all the important questions.

-anon 2

Anonymous said...

Enjoying YOUR life, chumpstain! Why are you trying to lump YOUR idea of a normal life on others??

Fore Sam said...

Anon2, My name's on the front page of the blog. I gave you an answer. Too damn stupid to subtract spring of 2004 from Jan 2007?

Anonymous said...

The whole vaccine myth is baloney, and you're still being too much of an NT to admit it. And autism ain't a disease.

Seriously, just try and understand your son, Foreskin, and quit trying to remove as much of his blood as possible from him. Can imagine it hurts having needles poked into his skin for tests like that, and chelation's just plain stupid.

Anonymous said...

And, also, Fore-Sam, you may not throw us off your blog, but you seriously do make yourself look foolish. It hurts.

Mich said...

"Anon, If you could get your head out of your ass long enough to take a lesson, I could teach you to do it. If I can get the mercury out of my kid's head, he'll learn. It's called enjoying life, something you knuckleheads don't understand."

The reaosn why most people here don't type out their names is because they're afraid of entires being written about them on this blog where you rant more and more on nonexistant epidemics!

And I am pretty dang sure your son would enjoy life much more if he did not have gallons of blood removed from him on a regular basis.

Also, Foreskin Sam, you stand out as a hypocrite and a retard in my mind. Much more retarded than your son, because you dehumanize him to try not to understand him.

Fore Sam said...

This is rich. Neurodiverse knuckleheads come here to insult me and show off their stupidity and they say it makes me look foolish. Well, that's fine because, in the end, my son has a chance to be delivered from the abyss of autism while you idiots celebrate having brain damage. So, who's foolish?

TheProbe said...

John, get help...for yourself.

Fore Sam said...

Probe, I could use some help handicapping two year olds. Are you any good at that?

Anonymous said...

As I was wasting my time poking around on Kev's site I noticed this from Mike Stanton:

Anyway, now the debate is over, why don’t the Autism Hub challenge EoH to a contest?

Can you imagine a debate between the EoH list and scientists from that side and the nitwit ND's and their pseudo-scientists? The nitwits would have their butts whipped. Can you picture Kathleen Seidel in a debate with her long-winded nonsense? How about Kev Leitch with his hypocritical foolishness. Who else do they have? The moron mouse (anonimouse). They would have Joseph trying to say that there are the same amount of people with autism today as there was 30 years ago. That would get a huge chuckle from the audience. How about Jonathan with his logical fallacies to put everyone to sleep. Let's see who else... They could have that Dr. David Gorski, (better known as Orac) and Dr. Ken Wickiser who would have to explain why he chose such as silly pseudonym such as Bartholomew Cubbins. Did you see there's a new moron in town who goes by the name of Christschool. His real name is Kent Adams and he is comparing people who try to help their kids to Charles Manson... Yeah, right. This guy needs his head examined. For fun we could also ask Brian Deer to fly in from the UK (perhaps he could fit in Kev's carry-on luggage). Maybe Mr. Deer could dress in his Superman outfit and be tossed around during the intermission of the debate. What do you think?

Fore Sam said...

Anon, The debate should include children. They could bring their kids and celebrate the brain damage while our side could bring cured kids who celebrate having their brains fixed. Then they might see the error of their philosophy.

Megan said...

That's a great idea Mr Best. I hope my father will bring me.

reality check said...

They could bring their kids and celebrate the brain damage while our side could bring cured kids who celebrate having their brains fixed. Then they might see the error of their philosophy.

Do so! And they'll see just how pitiful their own parents are as their emotions get the best of them.

Megan, you need help - help to understand and accept your condition as it is. Don't listen to Foresam - he'll kill you.

foresam is a murderer said...

Get this through your thick head, Fore Sam. Autism can not be cured. You are hurting your son with chelation. Stop it before you kill him outright.

Fore Sam said...

Thank you, loopy loons. Now you're confusing curing a nightmarish condition with murder. The cult of neurodiversity has done a good job of brainwashing you.

foresam is a murderer said...

The nightmare is that you are killing your child and you don't even know it. Now we are telling you and you are ignoring us - so you are now a murderer.

What's worse? Autism or death? I say choose Autism.

reality check said...

Megan doesn't exist. That's really Foresam in disguise.

CDC worker said...

This blog is known to the FDA and the CDC. It provides the daily laugh and the source is Foresam.

Looks like your crusade is failing!

Anonymous said...

You've been brainwashed by the real loonies, dumbass - the "Cure Autism" cult that holds back tolerance of the disabled in general. You're a joke, Foresam. Get away from them, dude.

Fore Sam said...

Anon, It's not intolerance of the disabled dufus. It's intolerance of the disability. Go celebrate having brain damage, I'm going to bed.

Anonymous said...

There sure were a lot of cases of SIDS deaths in babies when mercury teething powder was introduced.

Anonymous said...

This blog is known to the FDA and the CDC. It provides the daily laugh and the source is Foresam.

Looks like your crusade is failing!


GOOD THE AUSTRALIAN GOVERNMENT NOW HAS PHIL'S INFORMATION SHOWING THAT HE IS NOT DISABLED ENOUGH TO WORK AS A REF AND CAN NOW STOP SUCKING THE DISABILITY OUT OF THE SYSTEM AND PEOPLE WHO REALLY NEED IT CAN USE IT.

Acebrock said...

(new anon) Brain damage? You are a willfully ignorant fool, and a poor debater (look up ad homimem attack).

All the evidence I have seen (abnormal brain size for example) suggests genetics.

Also, most autistics can get through the day without special assistance, and whenever High functioning autistics try to debate on whether autism exists against such groups as cure autism now, they (the groups) say, "well you're not really autistic."

I think I've earned my right to have a reasoned debate on this subject. I have had one at this website: http://forums.newspeakdictionary.com/viewtopic.php?t=2355&start=0 , however you refuse to debate, beieving you're right and anyone who disagrees with you is wrong.

Also, for your information, asperger syndrome is basically another form of autism. Feel free to try to trash my comments. I'm sure that most people here will rightly trash yours.

Fore Sam said...

Acebrock, The genetic component of autism is an inability to excrete mercury.
The debate at the moment on this blog concerns the dishonesty of the Autism Hub. Do you have any comments about that dishonesty?

Anonymous said...

CDC worker said...
This blog is known to the FDA and the CDC. It provides the daily laugh and the source is Foresam.

Looks like your crusade is failing!

Wow! has John become that famaous that the CDC, and the FDA are reading his blog.
Tell me CDC worker, are you wearing your uniform and marching around your computer between posts? The FDA, and the CDC are nothing but a pack of lying, corrupt, lacneys for Big Pharma. The truth is finally coming out.

Peggy

Anonymous said...

foresam is a murderer said...
Get this through your thick head, Fore Sam. Autism can not be cured. You are hurting your son with chelation. Stop it before you kill him outright.

You're right. Autism cannot be cured, but heavy metal poisoning can. It's called chelation. Autism is just a word. Mercury poisoning is the disease.

Peggy

Anonymous said...

"This blog is known to the FDA and the CDC"

SEE I WAS RIGHT! Remember, I just came to this blog a couple weeks ago & asked what the hell was going on - why John was being so fiercely attacked. Then last night I posted "the cult" visiting this blog was from a pharmeuctical company. Now they admit it. And Peggy's right, these guys are all in bed together. Yep, John you've got some people real upset. As my husband just said, when people get this upset - start looking for the money ...

informer said...

GOOD THE AUSTRALIAN GOVERNMENT NOW HAS PHIL'S INFORMATION SHOWING THAT HE IS NOT DISABLED ENOUGH TO WORK AS A REF AND CAN NOW STOP SUCKING THE DISABILITY OUT OF THE SYSTEM AND PEOPLE WHO REALLY NEED IT CAN USE IT.

Do tell, anon! How did you contact Centrelink? By phone or online? Hope you stayed anonymous!

Andre said...

Go celebrate having brain damage, I'm going to bed.

What brain damage? Yours? Get a grip you fairy - the only brain damage around here originates from your inane paranoia that you are inflicting on your son. What goes around comes around - you're creating a monster that you won't be able to control because you don't know what you're doing.

Fore Sam said...

Andre, Eli Lilly inflicted brain damage on my son. I'm trying to reverse it. Do they pay you to make these idiotic statements?

andre said...

So where's my reply? Or was it so true you deleted it?

dgdavis64 said...

Wow John,
You sure brought out the venom and claws on this one.
I'm wondering how your son loses all the blood from that person's comment about chelation?
How foolish. And for the lunatics that think chelation kills, I'm laughing in your face with EVERY new word my son speaks! Chelation doesn't kill, the mercury, aluminum and all the other trash in vaccines surely has a more detrimental effect on a child's longterm health than chelation.
Where are your scientific peer reviewed studies that ALA kills?

Fore Sam said...

DG, The neurodiverse aren't too bright. They probably think I'm using leeches to chelate him.

foresam is a murderer said...

No, Foresam. You have been using chelation for too long. It's not made to be used for the long term, especially for children! You'll end up taking all the essential metals out of his bloodstream - and it follows that it will kill him!

Murderer!

Anonymous said...

foresam is a murderer,

"You'll end up taking all the essential metals out of his bloodstream - and it follows that it will kill him!"

The kids being chelated are given suppliments to replace "essential metals"
Who has Foresam murdered BTW?
Until he actually does murder someone then you sound pretty stupid yelling,

"Murderer!"