Friday, January 19, 2007

Neurodiversity Murders A Teenager

Outside of Boston today, in the Lincoln Sudbury High School, an teen with Asperger's stabbed a fellow student to death. I don't know why he did that. It's not important. He'll probably get off easy with a diminished capacity defense.

I'd like to hear what there is to celebrate about this from my friends at the Autism Hub. Is the dead boy's family celebrating the joy of autism tonight?

I've heard more than enough from these assholes who don't want autism cured. If this kid with Asperger's had been cured, he may have found a better way to deal with whatever this situation was. Where are all the do-gooders like Estee Klar when things like this happen? Will she tell us how wrong it is to cure a murdering teen? Would curing this kid have prevented a murder?

Where are the neurodiverse psychologists? Why aren't safeguards put in place so these kids have avenues to vent their anger besides murder? Is neurodiversity teaching these kids to murder people who rub them the wrong way? What is neurodiversity doing to prevent this behavior? From what I can see, all they are doing is accepting the diversity, even if it means murder.

How many more times will this happen with the growing numbers that neurodiversity denies? This is just the tip of the iceberg. That boy was born at the start of the epidemic. There will be many more to follow. All the neurodiverse knuckleheads who won't help their kids may well be raising murderers. It's time you jerks woke up to the fact that people with brain damage are laible to do just about anything. That's right, brain damage. That's the most apt description for all autistic spectrum disorders. Lunatics who insist on celebrating this brain damage instead of addressing it are setting society up for a lot more of this aberrant behavior. May the next incident of this type of thing fall on the head of a neurodiverse parent with their head in the clouds instead of an innocent victim who probably knows nothing about this epidemic of brain damage that you idiots want to deny.

116 comments:

Anonymous said...

Got a link for this story, John?

Fore Sam said...

No link, it was on the local news. Try the Boston Globe.

concerned said...

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2007/01/19/fatal_stabbing_at_lincoln_sudbury_high_school/

It's too soon to tell, but I don't think he has Aspergers.

David N. Andrews MEd (Distinction) said...

Many more non-autistics commit murder.

Gonna slag them off too, John?

Or shall we do that for you?

Anonymous said...

School killing stuns suburbs
Stabbing suspect spoke of violence, classmates say

By Brian R. Ballou and Michael Levenson, Globe Staff | January 20, 2007

SUDBURY -- A 16-year-old sophomore accused of fatally stabbing a freshman at Lincoln-Sudbury Regional High School yesterday frequently boasted about his knowledge of weapons and violent crime, and once asked a teacher for acid so he could build a bomb, fellow students said.

John Odgren , who was charged with killing James Alenson , 15, had long endured the taunts of schoolmates, who belittled him for wearing a trench coat in the halls, like the killers of Columbine High School.

"He was just a really sketchy kid," said junior Brianna Hodge , 16, of Sudbury. "He was always making references to killings and weapons and bombs."

Read more

This is truly alarming, we may have a killer generation coming up now. They should be eating ALA instead of ecstacy. With every 6th kid in SpecialEd we also have the most backward and unproductive minors in the industrialized world.

Fore Sam said...

Concerned, He did have Asperger's. The boy he murdered was in special ed too.

David, This kid doesn't fit in with thugs who commit murder. He does however, remind me of Columbine.

David N. Andrews MEd (Distinction) said...

John: "David, This kid doesn't fit in with thugs who commit murder. He does however, remind me of Columbine."

Sadly, I have to agree with the Columbine thing there: outsider kid, and probably some long-standing grievance that maybe wasn't given a chance to be aired and then ... bang, someone who probably didn't deserve to die ends up dead anyway. Tragic, for sure. No question about that.

However, to link this sort of killing to being autistic is completely irresponsible (you made this conjecture: "If this kid with Asperger's had been cured, he may have found a better way to deal with whatever this situation was", and thereby made the link). His offence has nothing to do with him being autistic - it has to do with a set of circumstances that have not yet been fully uncovered, and so cannot really be commented on.

I agree that avenues are needed so that any person experiencing specific learning and or developmental difficulties can find ways to express anger appropriately, and safely. I also happen to think that everyone needs those.

As for this question: "Is neurodiversity teaching these kids to murder people who rub them the wrong way?" - bit insulting, John. None of us on this side of the debate wants anyone killing anybody else!

"What is neurodiversity doing to prevent this behavior? From what I can see, all they are doing is accepting the diversity, even if it means murder."

Evidently you know nothing of what does get done, then.

"He'll probably get off easy with a diminished capacity defense."

I should not expect that to happen, if I were you. Serious offence, and this one cannot be argued away with diminished capacity or any other M'Naughton type defence.

"Would curing this kid have prevented a murder?"

Given the number of non-autistoc people who kill... no.

David N. Andrews MEd (Distinction) said...

autistic ... hit wrong key.

Anonymous said...

If I were to take a guess at this one it would not be the aspergers but the cocktail of anti psychotic drugs he was most likely on. There was mention of medications. One of the things I noticed immediately when I watched his court arraignment was the blank stare he had. My first thought was This kid is on some drug. The next thing I heard was that his lawyer saying the parents felt the medicatiosn he was on had something to do with it, and the fact he was not taking them. It will be interesting to see what this kid was on. These rugs are known to cause mania, and psychotic states if you just stop taking them or even miss one dose. I saw this first hand when the VA put my boyfriend on four psych meds at once. For back pain no less. He went nuts on the stuff. He stopped them cold turkey and went completely manic. It took six weeks for him to normalize. He lost his memory, picked up a lesbian alcoholic that he wanted to spend the rest of his life with after only knowing her for a week. They are going to try this kid as an adult. The news stations are already playing this up. I am going to try to find some info on what he was on.

Peggy

Fore Sam said...

David, Damaged brains arrive at damaged conclusions. Kids without their brains addled by mercury may have had a fistfight.
Those who find joy in this condition are off in La La Land. The sane people among us know that this brain damaged state is going to result in a lot more harm to innocent people. It's also unfair to those with brain damage to do nothing about fixing it. Neurodiversity's idiotic philosophy was the main cause of this murder.

Fore Sam said...

Peggy, Agreed, we hear the warnings about suicide from these drugs. Maybe they should add murder to the side effects. As long as the "experts" try to treat the symptoms instead of the cause, this type of thing will begin to multiply as the kids ruined in the epidemic get older.

Anonymous said...

Fore Sam said...
Peggy, Agreed, we hear the warnings about suicide from these drugs. Maybe they should add murder to the side effects. As long as the "experts" try to treat the symptoms instead of the cause, this type of thing will begin to multiply as the kids ruined in the epidemic get older.

John,
The FDA has known about this for a long time. I haope these parents persue this with a good attorney.

Mechanisms of antidepressant-induced violence
A link between antidepressant use and violence needs a plausible clinical mechanism through which such effects might be realised. There are comparable data on increased rates of suicidal events on active treatment compared to placebo [16,17]. In the case of suicide, several explanations have been offered for the linkage. It is argued that alleviating the motor retardation of depression, the condition being treated, might enable suicides to happen, but this cannot explain the appearance of suicidality in healthy volunteers. Mechanisms linking antidepressant treatment, rather than the condition, to adverse behavioural outcomes include akathisia, emotional disinhibition, emotional blunting, and manic or psychotic reactions to treatment. There is good evidence that antidepressant treatment can induce problems such as these and a prima facie case that akathisia, emotional blunting, and manic or psychotic reactions might lead to violence.

Akathisia
Some of the best descriptions of akathisia come from the medical literature on the use of reserpine as an anti-hypertensive in the mid-1950s [18]:

“Increased tenseness, restlessness, insomnia and a feeling of being very uncomfortable”.

“On the first day of treatment he reacted with marked anxiety and weepiness, on the second day felt so terrible with such marked panic at night that the medication was cancelled”.

“The first few doses frequently made them anxious and apprehensive. They reported increased feelings of strangeness, verbalised by statements such as ‘I don't feel myself’ or ‘I'm afraid of some of the unusual impulses I have'’.

Events such as these in clinical trials of antidepressants have commonly been coded under headings such as agitation, emotional lability, and hyperkinesis (overactivity), and only rarely to akathisia. In clinical practice the term has sometimes been restricted to states of demonstrable motor restlessness, but by definition it cannot be a simple motor disorder or it would be classified as a dyskinesia [19]. There is good evidence that akathisia can exacerbate psychopathology in general [20] and consensus that it can be linked to both suicide and violence [21,22]. A link between akathisia and violence, including homicide, following antipsychotic use has previously been reported [23–25].

Substantial evidence from SSRI clinical trials shows that these drugs can trigger agitation. Approximately five percent of patients on SSRIs in randomised trials drop out for agitation against 0.5% on placebo. The current data sheets for SSRI antidepressants specify that the drugs can cause akathisia and agitation, and warn about developing suicidality in the early phase of treatment, on treatment discontinuation, and in the wake of a dosage increase during the course of treatment. In the US, these warnings explicitly apply to not only depressed patients but also people being treated for anxiety, smoking cessation, or premenstrual dysphoric disorder. In Canada, warnings specify an increased risk of violence in addition to suicide.

Emotional blunting
Another mechanism that may contribute to hostile events is treatment-induced emotional blunting. Several reports published since 1990 have linked SSRI intake with the production of emotional blunting, detachment, or an amotivational syndrome, described in one report as the equivalent to a “chemical lobotomy” [26–29]. It is quite common in clinical practice to find people who say they simply are not bothered any more. Things that would previously have worried them no longer do so. However, clinical trials of antidepressants have so far not assessed this phenomenon and its frequency is not reliably known.

Mania and psychosis
Another mechanism that may link SSRIs to violence are the manic or psychotic states reported to be induced by drug treatment. These drug-induced states often resolve once the medication is removed. However, the full dimensions of treatment-induced psychotic or manic reactions have yet to be mapped; some may continue for a long period after treatment has stopped [30]. It has recently been estimated that these drug-induced manic or psychotic states may account for up to eight percent of admissions to psychiatric facilities [31–35].

The development of a psychotic episode or of command hallucinations has traditionally been linked to both violence and suicide. The labels for most SSRIs now concede a causal relationship to psychosis and to hallucinations.

A proportion of these cases with superficially manic or psychotic reactions and unrecognised confusion may be delirious states reflecting organic brain disturbances rather than a functional psychosis or mania. Delirium is an absolute defence against murder, while psychosis and mania may not be.

Somnambulism
Another mechanism that may be relevant to violence and murder is sleepwalking. Somnambulism can provide an absolute defence against murder, in that the defendant in such a case does not have the capacity to form intent. Several reports have been published of an association of paroxetine with sleepwalking in people not previously known to have sleepwalked [36,37]; somnambulism has also been reported for other SSRIs [37]. Among the drugs linked to sleepwalking in reports to the UK MHRA up to January 2006, paroxetine came second with 12 reports, and zopiclone first with 13 reports, with antidepressants occupying eight of the top 17 slots.

Paroxetine has also been reported to the MHRA more often than any other drug for nightmares (206 reports). The second most commonly reported drug is mefloquine (Lariam), a drug noted for triggering psychosis, with 132 reports. Antidepressants occupy six of the top ten slots for reports of nightmares. As mentioned above, clinicians report between one and ten percent of adverse events to regulators and thus the incidence of nightmares on paroxetine is substantial.

Joseph said...

Bigots commit murder too, John. Do you want to cure that too? For the looks of it, you don't.

Anonymous said...

It is also a known fact that at least one of the Columbine murders was on "medication" for his issues. I agree that these meds can completely make people go nutty... Of course, our genius officials think nothing of prescribing these drugs to children.

Fore Sam said...

Joe, Yes, I'm bigoted against those who refuse to try to cure ASD's by your definition. But, in my book, that's like being bigoted against child abusers. My cure for that is to try to educate you and your ilk. So far, you aren't very good students.

Anonymous said...

You know absolutely nothing about autism. Please, do some research.

Anonymous said...

I'm with Peggy re the "cocktail of anti psychotic drugs" this poor kid was probably on. Pretty cool thing the pharmeutical companies have going for themselves. First they cause diseases like autism. Then they convince the public you gotta take drugs to function when you have the disease.

OR what we could do is go in the direction John here is & remove the toxic substance - MERCURY - using chelatin therapy or the alternative technique we've been using.

Pretty incredible - GO BIG BUSINESS!!!

And we can forget any work being done to try to figure out the CAUSE of these diseases. PREVENTION!

Anonymous said...

just because he may or may not have been on the spectrum, does not mean that that is what caused this to happen. How many other murders or assaults or crimes have been done by people on that spectrum? I think no where near as many as people who are NOT on the spectrum. Or do you conclude that all bad people are on the spectrum?
I would like to hear about some more cases. If anything, autistic people are LESS likely to commit a murder. Maybe he came from a broken home-maybe his parents beat him-maybe he was in a crappy school system-you can not just blame the diagnosis. You are reaching here.....

Frank said...

I think it's more likely that this tragic episode happened because of the drugs he was put on than rather the condition of being autistic. A little perspective.

David N. Andrews MEd (Distinction) said...

John, you're still incapable of learning, and it seems you always will.

And you're incapable of wilholding insults for all that long, as well, aren't you?

Bye John.

The only indication here on your part is a refusal to acknowledge that you could ever be wrong.

Sadly, that one is an indicator of a huge set of risks ahead.

Anonymous said...

mercury can cause autism. but mercury would NOT cause autism if the child had a normal, healthy biomedical make up to begin with. otherwise-everybody and their brother would have it. chelate to getthe mercury out. that is right on-but them what are you going to do to make your childs system healthy enough to take whatever else in lifethat he may be overly sensitive too. treat the whole child.

Anonymous said...

"otherwise-everybody and their brother would have it"

Huh??? Where have you been?? Everybody & their brother does have it - a disease that is. Parkinson, MS, cancer, learning disability's etc etc. You think these just happen to us by accident? I don't care how strong your immune system is. You inject a jolt of mercury & you are gonna get sick. Really sick. Autism.

Now just substitute the above with the dozens of other ways we're exposed to heavy metals or other toxins & what do you get?? A disease. In case you haven't noticed we've got an epidemic of diseases.

Have you heard cancer took a slight down turn these past 2 years? They think it's due in part to 1) women cutting back on HRT (once again, thanks to little or no testing by the pharmaceutical companies) 2) reduction in smoking (more toxins, more chemicals & once again thank you Big Business)

Fore Sam said...

David, Autism is brain damage. Saying so is not an insult, it's a fact. You may have struggled through 40 years of school to get your degree. Many of these kids could go to school for 400 years and never pass the first grade.

David N. Andrews MEd (Distinction) said...

John: "David, Autism is brain damage. Saying so is not an insult, it's a fact. You may have struggled through 40 years of school to get your degree."

Wrong on som many issues.

No actual proof of autism being breain damage... a recent study at Johns Hopkins Med School demonstrated that it wasn't.

AS for me struggling through 30 years of school??? You kidding? I decided to go back as a mature student. Took a few years to accumulate credit in subjects I liked to get my BA equivalence, and then I was taking time out for other activities (music, and so on). Took five years postgraduate education and professional training which equates to a master's degree study and to 3 yrs post-MEd supervised practice... standard for my job, really.

concerned said...

Concerned, He did have Asperger's. The boy he murdered was in special ed too.

I am saying that he was mis-diagnosed on what I have read thus far.

Anonymous said...

My dad thinks his work is more important than me.
I don't get any attention cause he has a serious adiction to his commputer. He says the things he does on his computer are to make things better for me, but I don't feel better I feel worse.
I just want him to stop and play with me, but he's just too busy taking with who he calls the "bad people".
All I want to know is when will he be finished talking with the "bad people" so he can talk to me for a change?

Anonymous said...

Sorry I couln't use me name in case my dad found out. He would go mad if he found out I was talking to you, Mr Best.
You're not one of the "bad people" are you?

Fore Sam said...

Concerned, What should the diagnosis have been?

Fore Sam said...

David, Johns Hopkins is wrong. People who can't talk, smear feces and run into traffic have damaged brains. There is no other explanation.

Anonymous said...

Gotta say most high functioning autistics are not murderous. I would consider the rate of murders in the autistic poulation as to compared to the non-autistic population would be at least comparable if not less than. If anyone can come up with verification to prove differently I would be suprised. In light of what so many autistics go through with bullying and the like I think that the low incidence actually speaks volumes.
It unfortunately is a sad thing that when someone who does have autism commits a crime or suicides, the papers sensationalise it and imply the reason for the action was as a result of autism.
If they suicided and were not autistic they would say it was their depression, if they were autistic and depressed they would blame it on autism.
If they committed murder or any other crime they would similarly take into account nothing more than the autism diagnosis.
Were they mentally and psychologically balanced?
I am not murderous and pose no danger to society yet am autistic. Yet to attribute such acts of illegal and voilent actions to autism is like saying all men are potential rapists. It is insulting, cruel and does nothing for any autistics.
What the media should focus on is the positive role models of individuals with HFA and push for education of the public on how to best help autistic people. I think issues such as chelation, coping strategies and support for parents ought to be examined instead of just sterotyping certain voilent individuals as representative of a whole autistic population. It is unfair and unjust.


Rossco

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
just because he may or may not have been on the spectrum, does not mean that that is what caused this to happen.

Anon,

Answer to your statement. Being on the spectrum did not cause him to stab this other child. Being on the spectrum was most likely the reason he was put on the psych meds. Don't quote me on this one, but I also believe I read that all kids involved in Columbine were on either one or more pssych meds. I think what we should start doing is noticing how often we hear of violent crimes being committed by people wiht a history of psychiatric problems. This usually means meds. Where there is smoke, there is fire.

Peggy

Anonymous said...

Anonymous you said...
mercury can cause autism. but mercury would NOT cause autism if the child had a normal, healthy biomedical make up to begin with. otherwise-everybody and their brother would have it. chelate to get the mercury out. That is right on-but them what are you going to do to make your childs system healthy enough to take whatever else in life that he may be overly sensitive too. Treat the whole child.

Anon,
Here is my thoughts on the above. This is just my theory. It was stated that 1 in 166 is autistic. This figure alone is alarming. Now lets add in all the so called neurodevelopemntal delayed. ADD's ADHD's, dyslexia, etc, etc. It was stated that this was 1 in 6. This should be causing alarms to go off everywhere. I'm not done yet. Now lets add in the increase in asthmas, allergies, chronic ear infections, childhood diabetes (which use to be rare) This should encompass about 98 percent of children. I don't think its a matter off all children being autistic, I think about how many have chronic illness, and why. If you look at heavy metal poisoning, not just mercury you begin to see that they are all affected. Just how they are affected presents differently. I work with the elderly. Alzheimers is sky rocketing. Years ago someone in their 80's who began to have memory issues would be called senile. Now its called alzheimers. It is effecting younger populations. Starting as early as 50, and 60. They cannot confirm alzheimers unless they do a brain autopsy. They have found that the brains of alzheimers people have a high concentration of aluminum.

You hit it on the head when you said biochemical health is the most important. How in gods name can we protect ourselves if our food water, and air is being poisoned. There is a lot we can do. But it is getting harder, and harder to avoid. My opinion of the Genetic link is this. Yes genetics play a role, but only so far as to where the toxic tipping point is. Some can handle more poison than others because of their genetic makeup. At some point we will all reach it.

Yours and anyones elses thoughts on this post.

Peggy

Anonymous said...

Peggy - couldn't agree with you more. What's really frustrating to me is that we sit on these blogs playing guessing games. Our Government should be funding independent studies that have real answers for us. I know a Vet who has launched a campaign to prove alternative medicines do help. Also she's exploring the effects of vaccines & food on their health. Why would that be important to us? Think about it -Pharmeutical Companies do their testing on animals we should also be pursuing testing of these alternatives.

In the mean time John here has to defend his right to "cure" his son (using chelatin therapy) of something which never should have happened in the first place (autism). We're using NMT http://www.neuromodulationtechnique.com/ & getting fantastic results. But more should be done re research & not by someone who has will profit by the results ie BIG BUSINESS.

By the way, when we realized we had mercury posioning we did a hair analysis. Our mercury poisoning was off the chart. We went to a neurologist & he was very concerned about my husbands aluminum levels (also off the chart). The neurologist said it's been proven aluminum is highly correlated to senility. So what do we do? Throw out our aluminum pots & pans, no more canned food, no antacids etc etc. OK so now you know this about aluminum & we know this ... how come this info isn't getting out to the general public?? How come we pretend senility is on the rise & noone knows why?? Answer - BIG BUSINESS. Do you know how big the aluminum business is?? God forbid they should admit their poisoning us & shutdown.

Same thing happened with vaccines/mercury. Those bastards knew & didn't care cause of $$$$. Well, the truth of the matter is God help their souls ...

David N. Andrews MEd (Distinction) said...

You need some help, John. Here's some. The University Medical School at Johns Hopkins did the work; you didn't. They have published, and you haven't. I even offered you a chance to conduct a basic practitioner-research study on your son's development with ALA, and you refused to put your money where you mouth was, John. Who should I believe? People who have conducted a rigorous scientific study and are aware of the limitations of their study (in terms of the range of applicability of its results), or some guy in New Hampshire who can't be arse to make a careful study of his own son's development?

I don't think I need tell you whose results are the most reliable, but here's a clue: JHUMS - not JBJr!

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Science Daily — Deepening the mystery of autism's origins, a Johns Hopkins Children's Center study has failed to link the typical autistic child's fixation on spinning objects and constant whirling around to long-suspected damage to the brain's control center for movement, balance and equilibrium.

Reporting in the December 2000 issue of the Journal of Autism and Developmental Disorders, the Hopkins team said test results of parts of the cerebellum in 13 autistic children were the same as in normal children without autism.

The cerebellum has long been the focus of autism research because of the relentless responses autistic children make to sensory stimulation, according to Melissa Goldberg, Ph.D., assistant professor of child and adolescent psychiatry at the Johns Hopkins Children's Center and the Kennedy Krieger Institute.

"The stimulation we see autistic kids seeking out when they're spinning or putting things in front of their eyes would seem to be linked to the part of the brain known to control such things as our ability to stabilize our bodies and what we see and touch," she says.

"But in this study we found this was not the case, at least not with the children with high-functioning autism."

Cautioning that their findings may not apply to all autistic children, Goldberg and her team added that they "still don't know what part of the brain is abnormal in autism."

In their study, the Hopkins researchers examined the eye movements of 13 high-functioning autistic children ages 7 to 17, after spinning them in a chair as they sat upright, tilting their heads forward just after the chair became still. If the cerebellum is functioning normally, the reflexive eye movements, which typically occur in the direction opposite to that in which the child spins, are diminished once the head is pitched forward. Researchers found the autistic children's eye reflexes diminished appropriately.

"This tells us that those parts of the cerebellum that govern our ability to restore balance operate normally in autistic children," Goldberg says.

"Knowing what parts of the brain do not appear damaged in these children, we can move on to investigate other sources of the problem."

Dr. Goldberg and her colleagues plan to use brain imaging and other cognitive neuroscience research methods to investigate further how autistic brains operate and to corroborate their findings. In one study, for example, they are tracking infants at high risk of developing autism because they have a brother or sister with autism. The goal is to tease out genetic risk, and document the earliest indications of the onset of disorder, and to develop intervention strategies.

This sibling study is led by colleague and co-author Rebecca Landa, Ph.D., an expert in child development and autism in the Division of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry at the Johns Hopkins Children's Center and director of the Kennedy Krieger Center for Autism.

Autism is a developmental disorder that affects an estimated one in 500 children in the United States., according to the Centers for Disease Control (CDC). Children with autism have trouble making social connections or responding properly to sights, sounds and touch.

The study was funded by the National Alliance for Autism Research. The eye reflex portion of the study was conducted in the laboratory of co-investigator David Zee, M.D., professor of neurology, otolaryngology and ophthalmology at the Johns Hopkins Medical Institutions.
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David N. Andrews MEd (Distinction) said...

Reference for the brain study: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2001/01/010104071419.htm

Anonymous said...

David, Johns Hopkins is wrong. People who can't talk, smear feces and run into traffic have damaged brains. There is no other explanation.

Yes there is. It's called a different mind. Different minds don't mean brain damage!

concerned said...

Sir, I am not a doctor (and neither are you as I have previously advised you) so I am not able to make a diagnosis based on media reports. But there is enough there at this point to suspect strongly that it is not Aspergers. Such a person would shy away from physical violence and this person did not. Now as we do not know the specific circumstances behind the fight that led to the stabbing nobody will know for certain, but I just do not feel right about this young man having the disorder on current information.

reality check said...

David, John Best Junior won't listen to you. He's convinced he's God and is here to save the world from "brain damage". He's nuts.

Anonymous said...

Only 2 things are critical ~

1) what treatment is showing the best results?

2) what caused the disorder in the first place & how can we prevent this from ever happening again?

The answer to the first question is not found in the form of a pill (eliminates Big Business).

The answer to the second question is Big Business.

Fore Sam said...

Reality check; The nuts are the ones who celebrate having brain damage.

Fore Sam said...

David, Johns Hopkins should pay attention to Richard Deth. He gave us the answer. The rest is a load of crap. Spinning kids in circles to record eye movements is idiotic. There is not one area of the brain that is damaged. The whole brain can't work right because methylation is not taking place due to the mercury. That's all you need to know.
Remove the mercury and the kids can pay attention. Problem solved. You can learn this now or wait until it shows up in a textbook.

reality check said...

You celebrate it by mentioning it all the time on this blog. If you didn't celebrate it you wouldn't be mentioning it.

Fore Sam said...

Reality check, You are presenting evidence that your brain is not working right.

reality check said...

And you'd know wouldn't you, dunce.

Anonymous said...

David,
This study is a perfect example of a waste of funding. Going after a genetic link is a huge waste of funding. They are doing this with all disease. If they can claim its genetic then it will take the light off the real problem. If its genetic then there is really nothing you can do but accept treatment in the form of toxic drugs. The same with heart disease and cancer. This guarantees them lots of money, and years of useless research. Watch out for these studies. Also who conducts them. Most universities take huge $$$ from pharmaceuticals to conduct studies. I have to agree with John on this one. Then again I am biased because I saw what they did to corrupt the research on the mercury autism link. Medicine is no longer about cure. Its about treatment, and managing disease. They are ot looking for the casue. They are looking for waht is different about an autistics brain. I thought we already knew that.

Peggy

Fore Sam said...

Reality check, Yes, I can tell by your verbal ineptitude that your brain doesn't work very well.

Fore Sam said...

Reality check, Yes, I can tell by your verbal ineptitude that your brain doesn't work very well.

reality check said...

Use of big words doesn't equal smarts, dunce! What are you scared of? Get out into the real world!

voice of reason said...

Peggy we don't know. Research is all about understanding. Treating everything as a purely a disease closes a number of possibilities. That's the real reason why the researchers prefer the genetic link because it opens up the options and increases the chances of understanding the problem - whether it is a pure disease or a disorder with a genetic base. And in several cases it will be both.

I query your claim of first hand experience about corruption. Details please.

Anonymous said...

voice of reason said...
I query your claim of first hand experience about corruption. Details please.

Voice,
You can't be serious? All you have to do is google medical research, and then use any word you want, like fraud, tainted, etc, etc. There are whistle blowers right within the FDA, who say they are incapable of protecting the American pulic because of their ties within the pharmaceuticals, psychiatrists are speaking out against the take over of the pharmaceuticals within their field. The DSM IV is wrtiiten by psychiatrists that are working for the pharmaceuticals. They vote these mental illness's into the DSM IV, NO science to back it up, just their opinions, then come the drugs. Do you know if you are lousy at math its now considred a mental illness.

Peggy

Anonymous said...

NPR just had a segment on about a Study done of "Studies". The results?? Whomever funded the study, the results were more than likely to favor them & whatever they're trying to prove.

So who funded all these studies re autism. Hmmm ... let me guess?? Pharmeuctical Companies!!! Am I right?? What do I win besides mercury poisoning?!?!?

Anonymous said...

NPR recently did a segment on a Study done of "Studies". Conclusions were the results of studies are more than likely to favor whomever is funding the study. So my question is - who funded all these studies of autism?? Hmmm ... let me guess ....Pharmaceutical Companies??? Am I right??? Of course, I'm right.

Anonymous said...

but even if you get all of the mercury out of a childs system, it will seep back in there again. we chelated our son, and he did great. it helped, along with other things we did for him. But you can see that it could happen again, His hair rarely grows, and I have never cut the child toe or fingernails. His body just does not get rid of toxins. he does not perspire. There is an underlying issue that maginfied the mercury toxidity. so the gaol is to not only ger rid if the mercury, but to also try to get his body to start working properly to help defend itself from these toxins that he as an individual is much more sensitive to. That is hard in a world where toxins are everywhere. To the paint you put on your walls to the soap you clean your body with and the cleaners in your house to the print on the newspaper to the exhaust from automobiles. Mercury is a big part, but it is not the ONLY part.

Anonymous said...

How do you know you got all of the mercury out using chelatin therapy? There is a controversy that testing is inadequate to show the levels of mercury. Here's what I know ~

A doc in Calif had a patient who was extremely ill & she couldn't figure out the problem. His hair was falling out, skin was terrible, he felt awful etc etc. So finally she sent to him to a dermatologist. That doc decided it was mercury poisoning. But how'd it get in him? The first doc had a hunch it was from consumption of fish cause they're located on a bay. She began testing all her patients. Sure enough they all had off the chart mercury. She got most of her patients to stop eating it & began retesting. They found at about 10 months the tested levels of mercury fell to "acceptable" levels. So this doc believes all you have to do is stop eating fish, then eventually limit the amount. But many other doctors believe the mercury is stored in the brain & other vital organs & is not so easily tested.

Now I would think if one isn't careful other toxic substances will be entering the body ie mercury in fish, aluminum from pots & pans etc. So what do we do?? I don't think that's an easy answer.

My family has mercury poisoning from consumption of fish. Just check out what our government has to say about their tests of fish. They even admit it, have issued warnings for pregnant women, small children, women of child bearing ages. (I love the way they say the benefits are greater than the risks.) Other governments are issuing warnings. Toronto Health Department has actually told pregnant women not to eat it at all; or small children.

Back to us, we're continually detoxing through a variety of methods. So far I'm really happy with the results. But we do all organic, all-natural, Holistic. We're very strict.

voice of reason said...

Peggy, that is not first hand experience. There are conspiracy theories all over the Internet, and most of them are from disgruntled dissatisfied former employees out for some glory. And they are 99 percent lies.

What some people will say to just get attention without going through the proper channels boggles the mind.

Anonymous said...

Check out the new funny comments on Leitch's blog. Good for a laugh or two. First, some sanity from "Mercury Dad" re: the ability that Kev, (et all) has to turn something trivial into a federal case. Then the Clone comes to talk about "ethics"... which I find completely fascinating considering that I have NEVER heard the Clone talking about ethics before in regards to the fools who actually make decisions concerning vaccinations and children. Suddenly, he's all up in arms about "ethics". Talk about irony...

Then, we have Sophist asking a question in regards to the Patriot Act and if there was any hanky-panky that went on with that? Unbelievably, you have that foolish Mouse showing the world that she is incapable of keeping her mousey pie hole shut when she doesn't know what she is talking about. Clearly, she didn't even know about the issues concerning the last minute amendment to the Patriot Act and this issue...

So typical ...

Anonymous said...

All I know is that our DAN doctor said it out as much as it can be-he said the same thing-you can not be 100% sure that it is ever ALL out. And like I said-we ALL have some of it in our systems-we were designed to handle it in small ammounts. But the difference is that the healthy ones get rid of it on their own and their bodies are not super sensitive to it. So then you go and do what Peggy is doing-which rquires vigilance and a new way to look at everything that you come in contact with. It can drive you insane. You can seriously only do so much.
There was a child in my sons pre-school class-a girl who was 3 at the time. she was just diagnosed as being on the spectrum. Was classical in her symptoms. Now being in a area that is keen on alternative "cures" and looking to find ways to deal with things-her family did all of the same stuff we did with our son. They Chelated (I am not sure what protocol they followed) they did sensory intetgration, they did Tomatis, they did homeopathy-all in the span of a YEAR. You know what nothing helped this girl. So anyhow-we left the pre-school to start kindergarten and I ran into her family about 8 months later and I could not believe it was the same girl. She had had zero language-nothing. She was just a shell. It turns out that they just kept having her tested and they found out that she had a major-MAJOR thyroid problem. They had her undergo surgery and they said within days she started to "wake up". This girl WAS autistic. she was-I saw her-every day for 8 months. She is still behind-she is having to learn everything new, but she is at some point going to be fine. It was a thyroid. Not mercury. Not the MMR. Now0maybe one of those things CAUSED her thyroid to go crazy at a young age-who will ever know. She did test high for mercury. I guess she still has an issue but she is like a totally normal girl. I just think that you have to keep digging to see what really is off and not just blame everything on mercury this and mercury that. I think that all kids on the spectrum should be tested and chelated if need be. But it is not always the only answer. It just is'nt.

Anonymous said...

I ALWAYS knew that Amanda was a FAKE! How pitiful!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BtNETd62Ug

Mich said...

I swear Foreskin Sam'd murder me if he knew me in real life. :-P ~~~ But not out of anger that isn't studied enough, but rather out of thinking that I don't deserve to live for being not as sane as him.
*eye roll at "not being as sane as him"*

Hateful curebie people who claim they have an autistic kid so they can get away with hate-spewing are never sane.

Anonymous said...

David, Damaged brains arrive at damaged conclusions. Kids without their brains addled by mercury may have had a fistfight.


Maybe the kid who was murdered was a curebie...... *eyes Foreskin Sam*

Fore Sam said...

Anon, How do you know she's talking about Amanda?

Fore Sam said...

Mich, Advising you to seek help is not a hateful thing. Too bad your doctor won't give you the same advice. He would if it had not been his profession who caused your autism.

cutting edge said...

Mich, Advising you to seek help is not a hateful thing.

It is when no help is needed!! STFU!!

Fore Sam said...

Cutting edge, Can't you make a comment without adding that slur? Anyone with a diagnosis of a diminished capacity needs help. Why are you opposed to them receiving it?

Anonymous said...

Anon - we definitely live in a toxic world. It drives me crazy that we're spending HUGE $$$ in Iraq fighting terrorists when more people/kids are being harmed by toxins here at home. Causing thyroid problems, autism, cancer, parkinson etc etc. You name it. Govt should be doing more to figure this out!

Anonymous said...

http://droopyssafespace.blogspot.com/2006/12/borg-any-resemblence-of-other-persons.html

This is the accusers blog. I read amandas response that says this woman accused one of her friends of copying her also, I wonder why this woman didn't blog about Amanda's "friend" as well. This is very disturbing!!!!!

Fore Sam said...

http://droopyssafespace.blogspot.com/2006/12/borg-any-resemblence-of-other-persons.html
Here's the link to Droopy's blog and a post about Amanda. I wonder what smooth talking neurodiverse knucklehead was behind this?

Anonymous said...

John-

Why no pictures of your family? It might make you seem more human. I wonder if you really even have a kid on the spectrum. Or even post something about your journey with chelation. How it started working...how long it took to see anything. What are your "sons" days like now? You just rant about the same thing over and over. It is great that you are so paaionate-it is what makes me want to believe in what you say, but there is a human side lacking to your whole stance. All of us that are part of the world of autism are passionate-and feel deeply about these people affected. I read so many blogs, and your is the most puzzling in that aspect. If you want people bleieve-you have to appeal to the "mom" in all us and put some more of yourself out there. Otherwise-why are you wasting your time? Everyone on this blog just argues with you. What is the point? I went through this whole blog-read as mkany comments as I could and it is the SAME thing over and over. The same people argue with you. You are so pssionate about this subject that I feel that you could be helping more. There is no advise on how to get started-just some info on Andy Cutler. Who is he? There are a LOT of moms with newly diagnosed kids that are all part of this blog network-that find your site and just run away because you are so inhuman about how you present it. You just want to scold scold scold. Shame on everyone who is not chelating. There is nothing on this site to guide anybody.
And yes-I could just not be here and look somewhere else but you are DOING what you are preaching and CONVINCED that it is helping but are not willing to give any of the gory details. Well shame on you-we are all parents who are shocked-at our wits end and desperate for anything that might work. And everyone else here that comments just likes to push your buttons and it just goes in circles on every post. You really could help more-post some links-post some insights-post something other than "all autism is caused by mercury and you need to chelate and Andy Cutler is the expert and find a DAN doctor"..and so on. Go a little deeper.

Anonymous said...

Your blog absolutely enrages me. First of all, it is not as simple as saying autism is the result of mercury. That has never been definitely proven, nor does it make sense that previous generations did not show the same epidemic proportions of autism that the current generation(s) are showing. There are so many factors, you need to get your facts right before writing a diatribe about it being a manmade phenomena. Next, I have worked in both Seattle and Boston, working to "cure" autism. I am a big supporter of helping that specific population, and feel as if I have personally been very successful in doing so. However, there is a lot to be said for the celebration of their brains. I'm currently working with 2-4 year olds, and every day I get more and more insight into how their minds work. Yes, it is different than mine and I believe yours, but by no means is it wrong, or is it bad - it is merely different than what we're used to. There's a lot to be said for thinking outside of "our" box.
Finally, it is a terrible crime, no doubt. However, think of all of the school crimes that have gone on in the past few years, and one of them happens to have autism. One out of 167 have autism, so statistically, that doesn't seem signficant at all. It is ashame that many kids with autism lack the coping mechanisms that many "typical" kids have - but we are talking about kids here, and typical or not, not everyone has great coping mechanisms, and apparently, not all adults do either.

Fore Sam said...

Anon, I don't have a camera or I'd love to put pic's of Sam up. If I put my picture up, some neurodiverse nut might stalk me and shoot me.
I did write two or three posts about Sam's improvement. As far as the specifics of chelation goes, it really wouldn't be fair to advise anyone with my limited knowledge of the biochemistry involved. That's why I always tell people to join the Yahoo group Autism-Mercury where Andy Cutler and other knowledgeable people can answer questions much better than I can.
I just plod along giving ALA every three or four hours and rejoice in miniscule improvements. After awhile, they add up to big improvements.
Your criticism is justified but the major intent of the blog was to show the absolute idiocy of Neurodiversity and every idiot associated with it. I thought of it as a counter punch to all their blogs knocking those of us who know the truth about thimerosal.
There's a post a few months back with all sorts of great links that's good for those who haven't already read all that stuff.
The most important thing in Sam's progress has been the Autism-Mercury group. That's serious business over there and that's the best way to help your kid.
This is mostly a place to bash Neurodiversity, Bush, Pharma, doctors and anybody else who gets in the way of curing autism. Hopefully, we can have some laughs in the process at their expense.

Fore Sam said...

Enraged Anon,
You're wrong. It has been proven that mercury caused autism.
That fact is being covered up by the people who caused it through their negligence. They happen to control the media or this would be all over the news. Doctors are protected by something called "Standard of Care" or every pediatrician in the country would have been sued.
Working with autistic children is a tremendously difficult and draining job for which you are to be commended. However, the best way you can help their minds achieve their potential is to remove the mercury that keeps those minds from working properly. Unfortunately, the professionals you probably associate with have not learned this. You have to learn it from people like me who are pissed off that I can't manage to have anything published about it so I write about it on a dumb blog. You can also learn lots more by joining the Yahoo groups EOHarm and Autism-Mercury and visiting the Generation Rescue and Safe Minds websites.
The best paper written on autism's cause so far was by Richard Deth of Northeastern U. If you read his work explaining how mercury prevents methylation, that is all you'll ever need to know about how mercury caused the autism epidemic. You'll also see how it can be cured.

cutting edge said...

Anyone with a diagnosis of a diminished capacity needs help. Why are you opposed to them receiving it?

If they don't want it, why should they? What are you - their keeper? STFU! And I'll add that every time until you do!

reality check said...

You're wrong. It has been proven that mercury caused autism.

In the real world - it has not been proven at all. It is simply an unverified theory like everything else.

Fore Sam said...

Cutting edge, People with autism have brain danage. You can't expect them to make important decisions by themselves. Your continued name calling is evidence of your brain damage.

Fore Sam said...

Reality check; I'm one of the people who proved it. You're out of your league here.

reality check said...

You aren't a doctor, Foresam, so you're the one out of your league.

Fore Sam said...

Reality check, On the contrary, anonymous knucklehead, I'm curing autism. That's something most doctors tell you can't be done. So, the doctors are out of their league if they want to debate me on the subject.

reality check said...

So where are your qualifications? You don't have any - so you are out of your league automatically. Get into the real world, "knucklehead".

billy bob said...

So you're curing Autism, Foresam? Really? How can you tell? When are you going to have your findings published in a prominent medical journal? Do you have the courage to try and get your findings published there?

You are seriously deluded, dude.

Fore Sam said...

RC, I don't need any qualifications to give my kid Advil if he has a fever. Thanks to Andy Cutler, I know what to give my kid to remove the mercury his doctors used to damage his brain. It's that simple, stupid.

Fore Sam said...

Billy bob, Medical journals do not publish papers that show that doctors poisoned their patients. My interests are in curing my son so I can get back to the golf course every day. I hope to be taking my son with me.

A teacher said...

Did you all forget that a child was killed? His name was James Alenson and he was only 15-years-old.

billy bob said...

Billy bob, Medical journals do not publish papers that show that doctors poisoned their patients.

How do you know if you haven't tried?

reality check said...

It's that simple, stupid.

Simple to a lazy, rude, bigoted, uneducated, emotionally crippled narcissist like you maybe. You need a holiday in the real world away from the fantasy world you are presently living in.

A teacher said...

Hey did everyone forget that a child died? His name was James Alenson and he was only 15-years-old.

Concerned-
"But there is enough there at this point to suspect strongly that it is not Aspergers. Such a person would shy away from physical violence and this person did not."

Anyone is capable of violence.
Even a person diagnossed with an ASD.

However, it would be very wrong to suggest that autism is what caused this tragedy.

Please take a few moments to remember James Alenson. He was only 15-years-old. He will never drive a car, go to a prom, or hold his own child in his arms. Take a break from all of this bickering to remember that a boy was killed.

What is with all the school violence? What can we do to prevent this from happening again?

autism rocks said...

Listen up, John Worst Junior.

I am HFA. I have a job programming computers. I work alone, routinely and effectively. My effectiveness comes from having no distractions. No social life to speak of because I don't need it. I am happy.

I don't want your so called help, and I won't have you telling people like me that we can't make decisions for ourselves!

A teacher said...

John I hope you and Sam have a wonderful golf trip someday!

Fore Sam said...

RC, Your name calling won't change the fact that kids are getting better with chelation. Only a sadistical jerk would take issue with helping children escape from the abyss of autism.

Fore Sam said...

Autism rocks, If you became HF Normal, you might get laid once in awhile and enjoy life a lot more.

Fore Sam said...

Teacher, I think you got the point. Let's cure autism which may prevent the same thing from happening again.

Anonymous said...

Anon said.....
your blog absolutely enrages me. First of all, it is not as simple as saying autism is the result of mercury. That has never been definitely proven, nor does it make sense that previous generations did not show the same epidemic proportions of autism that the current generation(s) are showing.

I am 54 years old and I can tell you I knew of no children in my school years that even closely resembled autism, no one had asthma, or chronic ear infections either. The fact that mercury has been proven to cause the exact symtoms of autism, in my opinion its not autism at all, its heavy metal poisoning, and not just mercury. How do we know what they replaced the thimerisol with when they removed it (If they ever really did) Are they all single dose viles now? I have looked into Andy Cutlers site. What he uses to chelate with is much safer than the other chelating agents. There is no need to do anymore studies on the neuro toxicity of mercury. There are already over 1,500. If we are waiting for this government to admit they brain damaged a generation of kids we will see hell freeze over first. That would really be unfortunate because I am counting on a lot of those involved in this tragedy burning in it for eternity.

Peggy

Fore Sam said...

Peggy, I think some of these people work for Pharma or the govt.. They couldn't possibly be so dense that they can't understand the simple facts you point out. (Of course, they could just be lacking intelligence.)

Anonymous said...

John,

First, let me say I am very sad for both families involved in this tragedy.

Second, I am concerned about the meds this boy may have been on. I can't stand how our society blindly accepts drugging our youth. It's all motivated to make drug companies richer. Look at this ridiculous Teen Screen Baby Boy Bush supports. I think these drugs make there kids more violent and cause more problems.

Any person who can come here saying they are a HFA and make a living working on computers has absolutely nothing in common with my son who has a debilitating medical condition. He knows what a computer is- and can play preschool games on it and he is 11 years old. Stop implying you have the same issues- you don't.

Anonymous said...

No words have ever been more true:


S Baron Cohen.........your words are scathing, brutal idiocy



While these people with autism are giving their souls for the digital computer age, (if they remain “healthy” enough to do so)

would S Baron-Cohen and all those like-minded still absurdly, tragically state

“.....it has never been a better time to have autism. were they to feel vicariously the collective

biomedical, neurological, social and emotional pain our children are experiencing?

if only they could experience it all.......and then tell us....:



sensory integration disorder..

aversive to touch, sight, sound...all painful;

awkward movement, clumsiness, stumbling, falling;

auto-immune disease: fatigue, lethargy;

systemic inflammation and constant pain in muscles, joints; relentless headache pain;

relentless gastric pain, debilitating diarhea, malabsorption of nutrients and therefore, non-functioning brains

inefficient enzymes

inefficient nuero-transmittors:

lack of intuition

auditory processing disorder: painful hearing, inefficient hearing

exzema

asthma

inability to put thoughts into words; thoughts locked in their brains

upper respiratory infections

the fatigue of CFS, Fybromyalgia

the inflammation of Lupus, Lyme

the painful cold feet and hands of Raynauds

the muscle wasting of dystrophies

the swelling joints of dermatomyositis

the forgetfulness and wasting of Alzheimers and Parkinsons

the alienation of society; the lack of socialization, the lack of friends, the lack of acceptance..the denial of social participation

the inability to access and relay their skills

pain......everywhere

sensory distortion.....of all five senses



......the denial of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness...

as they have been robbed of the life God intended..

they have been imprisoned by their multiple diseases, and so liberty is non-existent...

and they are unable to socially, emotionally, mentally and physically pursue happiness

S Baron Cohen.........your words are scathing, brutal idiocy

Anonymous said...

voice of reason said...
Peggy, that is not first hand experience. There are conspiracy theories all over the Internet, and most of them are from disgruntled dissatisfied former employees out for some glory. And they are 99 percent lies.

Voice click on this link and rad Dr. David Graham's testimony before congress about the FDA covering up the heart attacks vioxx wa causing. You will read that David Graham is not a former employee. In fact I believe he is still working at the FDA.

http://www.senate.gov/~finance/hearings/testimony/2004test/111804dgtest.pdf

Peggy

Fore Sam said...

Here's a link to the side effects of Concerta. http://www.yourlawyer.com/topics/overview/concerta
I think chelation is a better option.

Anonymous said...

John,

Look them all up Risperdal, Zprexa, Ritalin, Prozac...you name it they are poison. Some children may appear to gain short term benefits, but they they may suffer later. i.e. diabetes with some meds- does not seem worth it. Again, another giant experiment on our kids. Give them psycho-tropic drugs and see what happens... but make sure manufacturers have liability protection. Makes me sick. Wake up sheep!!!!!

autism rocks said...

Autism rocks, If you became HF Normal, you might get laid once in awhile and enjoy life a lot more.

Don't need it, Worst. I'm happy with what I've got. Why confuse it? Do you want me confused?

cutting edge said...

Cutting edge, People with autism have brain danage. You can't expect them to make important decisions by themselves.

Autism Rocks proves you wrong! STFU!!

Anonymous said...

What is with all the school violence? What can we do to prevent this from happening again?

Teach tolerance and love and wipe out hate, Teacher. That's the only way.

voice of reason said...

I am 54 years old and I can tell you I knew of no children in my school years that even closely resembled autism

Peggy, that's because the autistics around then weren't mainstreamed. The bigotry of schools in the 1960's wouldn't allow it - so of course you wouldn't have seen them. But they existed. And the ones who were mildly ASD would have been the bully targets/nerds. You would have had those at your school. They just went undiagnosed.

Voice click on this link and rad Dr. David Graham's testimony before congress about the FDA covering up the heart attacks vioxx wa causing.

That is still not first hand experience. And besides, one case does not prove your argument.

reality check said...

Only a sadistical jerk would take issue with helping children escape from the abyss of autism.

Doesn't look like Autism Rocks is in an abyss! Or are you suggesting if he or she isn't sexually active they are in an abyss anyway? Get your head into the real world!

Anonymous said...

Thank you John-for your answer to my long post about being "more human" and trying to at least direct the moms and dads who come across your site in the right direction. I still think a few more updates now and again on Sam would be nice. And I get your point about the pictures....and I get that this blog is meant for debate. But you get SO many hits on your profile...and I could not find the link to Andy and his web group. Maybe you should just put it at the top of your home page to keep it simple. When one does a search on "chelation", your name pops up. So-at least guide the people who come here and do not want to be involved with all of this crazy comment stuff some easy info off the bat so we can quickly run away. It is entertaining and educational though....it it is great that you just do not ever budge on your views. Thank you for being such a great supporter of a way to cure autism. It may not be for everyone, but as parents we owe it to our kids to try EVERYTHING to help them INCLUDING something as simple and safe as chelation. I am one of those-I will try anything that I feel is safe. The child who died while receiving chelation is tragic-should not have happened. But-it is more dangerous to leave an autistic child in your front yard where he/she might run away and be lost or hit by a car. Yet people still do it....they are just more vigilant about it and KNOW the dangers. That doctor did not know what he was doing so it is the parents fault as well-they did not make sure that things were safe for their child. One negative thing overshadows all of the THOUSANDS of positive outcomes. Yet that is all people see.

I wish Sam well....and I wish that all of these idiots that post here would get a clue.

reality check said...

I wish that all of these idiots that post here would get a clue.

The idiot is Foresam because he's a bully.

Mich said...

"Mich, Advising you to seek help is not a hateful thing. Too bad your doctor won't give you the same advice. He would if it had not been his profession who caused your autism."


Oh shit. My parents care about me, so I should be ashamed of them. That's a big confidence booster....not.

Fore Sam said...

Anon, I'll do another more general post about chelation soon where I'll include the links. I can't figure out how to put a link on the front of the blog. The directions aren't specific enough for a computer illiterate like myself. Old bastards like me who went to school before computers are just lost.
The loopy loons who come here to criticize me belong to a cult so they're probably beyond being reached by reasonable discourse. They do make neurodiversity look more idiotic though, so I welcome their commenmts.

Anonymous said...

"The loopy loons who come here to criticize me belong to a cult"

I wonder if they work for a pharmaceutical company ...

reality check said...

Old bastards like me who went to school before computers are just lost.

He admits it! He's lost!

Fore Sam said...

RC, I see you went to the neurodiverse school of journalism to learn about taking quotes out of context. The maggots who run your cult would be proud of you.

Anonymous said...

Voice you said.....
That is still not first hand experience. And besides, one case does not prove your argument.

Dr. Graham is first hand experience. His job at the FDA was to watch for adverse side effects once the drugs were being prescribed to 100o's. Something you don't see in small trials. There was also two other scientists who saw the same thing. It was also enough to get the drug pulled from the market.

Peggy

Kurai-Gaka said...

Diversity is a good thing. Deny that and you deny something that is extremly fundimental in the development of this planet. Diversity is everywhere and if we didn't have it, this planet would never survive. Neurodiversity is one of those things we should not let diminish.

So, Nazi man. seems that you aren't very popular around here. gee, I wonder why...........?

Anonymous said...

I'm a 46 year old woman. I hold down a good job, have a husband and child, pay my mortgage, own an investment property, and pay my taxes regularly and in full. I have a very high IQ and am hyperlexic. I also have Aspergers. What I DON'T have is Mercury poisoning. I know this because I decided to have it checked out, had tests done, and the result was that there is no mercury in my body. The only problem I have is with Neurotypicals who give me a hard time for my intense interests, my avoidance of their gaze when talking, and my wish to keep social contact to a minimum. In short, they seem to dislike the fact that I can ignore them totally. What, ANY response, even negative, is better than being ignored? Maybe I should start my own site, "Hating Normies". Oh, but THAT would be prejudiced and hate-inciting, right?
So you can't say I'm hiding behind anonymity, my email address is:
venugoban@ozemail.com.au
Alison

Fore Sam said...

Alison,
It's obvious that your IQ is not very high. You're not smart enough to understand that this site is not about hating anyone. It's about hating a nightmarish condition that ruins children's lives.
Many nerds have been misdiagnosed with Asperger's. If you had a hair test to check for deranged mineral transport that was negative, I suspect that is the case with you. If you have not had that test done, you don't know if there is mercury in your brain or not.

ronnie said...

I have been in contact with Alison, Foreskin - and she is VERY intelligent. Far more intelligent than you could ever be because at least she listens and learns.

You are completely and utterly incapable of learning - and you are therefore incapable of judging others with anything resembling accuracy.

Your attitude will punish you soon. Karma's a bitch.

Fore Sam said...

Ronnie, I'm a guy who has learned how to get an autistic boy deemed a vegetable to improve. I don't know if I can cure him or not but I'm going to keep trying. That, in itself, makes me a lot smarter than a dope like Allison who won't even try to help herself.

dysamoria said...

being autistic or not has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with acts of violence.

As noted by david andrews below, far far more murders are committed by NON-autistics.

Emotional responses to emotionally charged events will not give you a rational perspective on the how and why of the event and will lead you to make emotional judgment calls... such as wrongly connecting violence with autism.

(be happy i restrained myself when writing this comment because your words of anti-AS and anti-autism feel like violence and i feel defensive and protective now - maybe you should consider your own violence capabilities before you make hate-mongering commentary)