Friday, January 05, 2007

Deidre Imus Gets Witched

The Wicked Witch of Neurodiversity is now attacking Deidre Imus. (I won't link to it.) Mrs Seidel claims that Mrs Imus is mistaken in her assertion that parents overwhelmingly share her suspicion that mercury in vaccines caused the autism epidemic. Seidel must have missed this statistical analysis that clearly shows the Witch is off her rocker.

Seidel goes on to claim that some parents have personal experience of the genetic transmission of autism characteristics. Reminds me of Fantastic Voyage with Raquel Welch. Maybe Seidel shrunk herself and her broomstick and took a ride on some sperm cells from an autistic guy to observe them penetrating the egg. Her illogical mind could then leap to the conclusion that the autism must have been passed on genetically, irrespective of the fact that the fetus had been shot up with thimerosal from its' mother's flu shot. Of course, Seidel also had to leap to another conclusion about the autistic guy who, if he hadn't been tested to rule out genetics, had most likely been poisoned into autism by mercury himself.

It's interesting how the neurodiverse mind can think that haughtily written letters to the editor become logical by using big words like "proselytization", sounds dirty, doesn't it. It simply means to convert or, in this case, educate.
Whatever, it's a feeble attempt at sophistry from a pseudo-intellectual.

Seidel tries to paint parents of mercury damaged children as being a greedy bunch of lowlifes who are only interested in grabbing a quick buck from the vaccine manufacturers. Seidel is unconcerned about the cost of caring for autistic kids, especially since she doesn't seem to want anyone to cure one of them. Some of that money parents could win from a lawsuit would, undoubtedly be used towards that end by these lowlife parents who actually want to help their kids. Is Seidel worried that any cured kids would make her pals in the vaccine industry look bad?

She goes on to claim that all parents don't like "grotesque, catastrophic terms such as epidemic and human tidal wave". This is true since the handful of idiots associated with neurodiversity don't like to agree with anything that paints autism as the life destroying nightmare that it is. She also missed the "train wreck" term which is my favorite. For me, that describes what happened to my son perfectly, to transform him from a normal baby to a walking zombie.

Mrs Seidel thinks the use of these terms dehumanizes autistic people. That's a nice bit of sophistry from someone who wants to discredit every decent parent on the face of the earth who helps a kid with autism climb out of the abyss. I love these terms because they are accurate descriptions of the horror that has been perpetrated on our babies by the sons of bitches who poisoned them with their negligence.

Sorry Kathleen, you don't count as a member of the autistic community. You are an outcast by virtue of your deranged character assassinations of respectable scientists who have helped to cure our children from this mercury induced nightmare. You are, by default, part of the Pharma community. You are not part of any community of decent people who abhor watching children suffer.

Thank you, Mrs Imus. I appreciate your speaking on behalf of my son, Sam.

95 comments:

Joseph said...

Statistical analysis? LOL.

John, there's actual evidence that most parents (~ 90%) don't believe vaccines caused their child's autism.

Fore Sam said...

That may mean we have some work to do to educate them, Joe. However, 99.99% of parents are against letting their children rot in the abyss as practiced by neuroinsanity.

TheProbe said...

John, please get cured. Ask the Jihadist to severe your brain. For the sake of Sam, get help. You ooze the bile of hatred of him.

And, please do not breed again.

Fore Sam said...

Probe; If I hated my kid, I'd let him rot like you simpletons advocate for your kids.

Gerald R. Ford said...

You are a sad, disturbed little man, and you have my pity.

Anonymous said...

Facinating username "Theprobe" are you into getting "probed"?

Jonsmum said...

Kathleen Seidel is so put out that Newsweek have no intention of publishing her "lovely" letter.

"Imus has extraordinary access to mass media already — far more than the average citizen, and far more than anyone who has expressed the sort of concerns that I have expressed."

The "mass media" aren't interested in your "concerns", Kathleen. That should tell you something.

Fore Sam said...

Seidel doesn't understand that most people who agree with her concerns live in looney bins.

wrg said...

A suggestion: a link would certainly help readers to understand your complaints. We can look it up easily enough, but it'd be more convenient linked. It's hardly an implied endorsement, as (for example) skeptics link to woo all the time.

Your remark that it's hard to figure out causes for certain would be admirably skeptical, if it weren't abundantly clear that you object to jumping to conclusions only when they aren't the ones you passionately embrace. Just as anecdotes aren't a substitute for data, general principles don't always give us the causes for particular events.

However, the hypocrisy gets a bit old when you complain that Kathleen's "leaping to conclusions". I've yet to see you express anything but certainly in your claims, yet to see you respond to data except to repeat what you say you "know", and yet to see you consider that some who disagree with you just might be decent folk, neither insane nor evil. You don't just leap to conclusions, you live in a bubble of conclusions, sealed off from objective reality.

I suppose "you know what you saw" with Sam. However, science exists because we've come to understand that, although seeing is often believing, it often isn't true understanding. Even if you were right that mercury caused Sam's impairment and chelation caused the improvement, despite the facts that this is a weightier claim than that made by Kathleen and that the scientific concensus would suggest that it's unlikely, anecdotes do not constitute data and it is unjustified for you to extrapolate from this and similar stories that autism is a misdiagnosis of mercury poisoning in infancy.

Speaking of unjustified claims, that "analysis" would need some work to fool anyone who knows what numbers are. Before you try to cook some more numbers, you'll want to study with the creationists so that you're up to at least their level of nonsense. I would certainly expect many more than 40 parents even among scientists cited in the literature for studies refuting your claims.

You don't seem to like sophistry much, but learning its techniques would at least let you distort the truth in style. The name-calling and ridiculous figures you present just get old. Better yet, you could save your money instead of chelating and save your effort instead of repeating unlikely claims. Even though I'm confident you won't change your path, I'm glad Sam seems to be doing well.

I wouldn't advise the non-mercury-conspiracy commenters to call names too much, as tempting as it may be, for it brings us down to their level. That's abundantly clear when I compare the level of discourse on this blog to that on a real medical blog.

Jonsmum, the "mass media" is too busy presenting high-rating nonsense, like astrology, "psychics", and Autism Speaks. (But not autistics! Mustn't let those train wrecks think they can gainsay normal people!)

Fore Sam said...

WRG:
I have spirited discussions on horse racing with much disagreement. We can call each other dumb fucks over poor interpretations of the data with no hard feelings. In the end, we learn from each other, working to the same goal of cashing tickets.
The disagreement here is not directed at the goal of doing what is best for the affected children. The neurodiverse arguments dwell on proving that mercury is not the cause while this camp is more concerned with what treatments will help kids. We already know the truth. It's crazy to deny it. It's even crazier to claim that one is killing an autistic "train wreck" by giving him medicine that will allow him to function. There's not one bit of "Joy" in autism but we have to endure that nonsense from your camp. Sure, make light of kids smearing feces all over themselves. Claim it's not part of autism just because some moron who wrote a definition for the DSM didn't know enough about the subject to include it, or has been too lazy to update this. Make use of logical fallacies to nullify the substance of an argument to prove your point. What good does that do to help kids?
Sorry, these tactics demand zero respect for those who use them as they are intentionally denying a concerted effort to do what's best for kids.
Keep telling yourself that anecdotes are not data. Will that help any autistic children?

Anonymous said...

Sorry, these tactics demand zero respect for those who use them as they are intentionally denying a concerted effort to do what's best for kids.

And your current tactics demand zero respect because they make you look like some sort of petulant teenager! Listen to WRG, dumbass!

911 said...

Probe; If I hated my kid, I'd let him rot like you simpletons advocate for your kids.

You just proved you hate your kid because that's what you're doing by chelating him. Letting him rot - unprepared.

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Fore Sam said...

911; Mercury kills brain cells, leaving mercury in the brain would allow more brain cells to be killed. Do you think that is a good idea?

Fore Sam said...

Anon; "Dumbass" Is that the best you can do?

911 said...

It's a worse idea to mod out my comment! Whatsa matter, scaredy cat?

911 said...

Oh wait on, there were more comments than I thought. Sorry.

You keep on chelating, and you're forgetting about your son's physical development which is disproportionate. You're getting your priorities wrong.

Anonymous said...

I'm talking at your level so you can understand!

Jonsmum said...

Anon;
"And your current tactics demand zero respect because they make you look like some sort of petulant teenager! Listen to WRG, dumbass!"

One liner insults are the type of comments expected from a "petulant teenager". Listen to yourself!

Fore Sam said...

911; Sam's physical development is excellent. He's strong as an ox.

Anonymous said...

John,
Just wanted to let you know that my son's grandparents saw him for the first time in six months. During those six months, he has been undergoing intense biomedical intervention under a Physicans's supervision.
My father, the highly decorated marine cried like a baby, when his formerly non-verbal grandson said "Hi Papa", took his hand and walked him into the house. (7 years is a long time to wait)
So Screw the ND and their international nitwits and keep up the good work.
Oh and the evidence is that most parents of autistic children are too overwhelmed by the daignosis to consider what caused it.

Fore Sam said...

Anon, Fantastic!! That's a testament to you being a great parent. Let's hope we can hear the same story from everyone someday soon.
I think you're right about most people being overwhelmed. Now if we can find a way to get the truth to all of them.

Anonymous said...

Okay here goes. Earth to dumbfuck Earth to dumbfuck. Firstly your claim that any parent who doesn't blog for neurodiversity hates their child's autism and thinks it was caused by mercury clearly shows you to be a trailer-dwelling coo coo with enough confirmation bias to kill a yak (I felt like saying that word it's a fun word).

Secondly if you think mercury causes autism you either know jack shit about mercury or are just too stupid to walk and chew gum at the same time. If you knew anything about mercury poisoning you'd know that one of the symptoms is death. The fact that we have a normal lifespan proves that we haven't been mercury poisoned.

Poor Sam, he's got to deal with the stigmas of autism, comorbidities (probably), AND a father who is certifiably mentally inferior to my ballsack.

Just drink the Kool Aid already and stop bothering people.

911 said...

Sam's physical development is excellent. He's strong as an ox.

So? Does he have the mentality to match it? Of course he doesn't! So his physical development is out of alignment because you've ignored it!!

Anonymous said...

Great story Anon! Well done mate. Bet you are proud of your son.

Rossco

Anonymous said...

One liner insults are the type of comments expected from a "petulant teenager". Listen to yourself!

Like I said - I was talking at a level so Fore Sam would understand. What's your problem?

Fore Sam said...

Yak lover;
Yes, death is one symptom that shows itself via SIDS. Thanks for agreeing with me.

Anonymous said...

"The "mass media" aren't interested in your "concerns", Kathleen. That should tell you something."



Neither are the thousands of parents who care enough about their childrens futures to DO something about it.

Anonymous said...

Umm no, death isn't simply a possible symptom of untreated mercury poisoning, it is a definite symptom. You may be entitled to your own opinions but not your own facts.

Fore Sam said...

Anon; If you were right, everyone who has an amalgam filling would die instantly. No wonder you post anonymously.

Jonsmum said...

Kev Leitch said:
"No dumb-ass, its not. Trot off back to the rest of the whiny cowards back at your blog who lick your boots."

Are you just reading or commenting on this thread, Kev?

Fore Sam said...

Jonsmum, I think Kev is lonely since he banned all the sane people from his blog. He's starting to interact again which indicates he may be trying to regain his sanity. We should humor him as this would be good for his child.

911 said...

Neither are the thousands of parents who care enough about their childrens futures to DO something about it.

As against millions of parents world wide who are sensible and know that their child has Autism for life and won't stoop to little tricks that won't work as a cover for their bad parenting!

Fore Sam said...

911; That notion became obsolete when we learned chelation could help kids. Dumb fucks like you perpetuate that ignorance.

Heraldblog said...

"The neurodiverse arguments dwell on proving that mercury is not the cause while this camp is more concerned with what treatments will help kids."

No need to concerns ourselves with mercury, since that hypothesis has such weak support to begin with. Even Dr. Mark Geier has admitted there are no convincing studies connecting mercury to autism.

But you're still a funny guy, FS.

dgdavis64 said...

Heraldblog,
Can't you find a fly to pick the wings off of? Our kids are recovering! Get over it. And now all of a sudden, you care what Mark Geier says?
All I need to see is my kids getting better. That's good enough proof chelation works for me.


Jonsmum said...

Kev Leitch said:
"No dumb-ass, its not. Trot off back to the rest of the whiny cowards back at your blog who lick your boots."


Poor Kevin should get some friends who are more in touch with their feelings maybe then he wouldn't be so jealous.
It must be tough adapting to all those people who lack adequate social skills.

John, nice boots.... :)

911 said...

That notion became obsolete when we learned chelation could help kids.

And it will come back when you find out what a mess you've made of your son!

911 said...

All I need to see is my kids getting better. That's good enough proof chelation works for me.

And what if the improvement is because of something else, eh? You don't know for certain.

cutting edge said...

Dumb fucks like you perpetuate that ignorance.

And fools like you encourage it. STFU!

Fore Sam said...

911,
Obsolete notions do not return. It does take some time to educate the ignorant masses though.
If you think something besides chelation made the condition improve, please give me your best guess what it was.

Fore Sam said...

Cutting edge, If I shut up, simpletons like you won't learn how to help suffering kids.

cutting edge said...

Cutting edge, If I shut up, simpletons like you won't learn how to help suffering kids.

STFU! Because you aren't a teacher!

911 said...

Obsolete notions do not return.

Yes they do - when it's found that the notion wasn't obsolete after all.

Fore Sam said...

Cutting edge, I am a teacher.

cutting edge said...

Don't lie! You're looking after your son full time! STFU!!

Fore Sam said...

Cutting edge, Why are you so angry?

CAPITALIST said...

BLOG RUNNER SAYS HE'S A TEACHER
EQUALS
BLOG RUNNER IS LOOKING AFTER HIS SON FULL TIME
EQUALS
BLOG RUNNER IS A LIAR
EQUALS
BLOG RUNNER CAN'T TEACH ANYONE

CAPITAL!

cutting edge said...

I'm angry because YOU are spreading the ignorance! STFU!!

Fore Sam said...

Cutting edge, I'm doing what's called "tough teaching" trying to educate you people. I've had more challenging students but you do deserve special attention.

Anonymous said...

Cutting Edge are you OK mate? Let it all out mate its alright. Big cry you'll feel heaps better. That's the way mate. Feeling better now...you bloody idiot!

Rossco

cutting edge said...

Tough teaching?? That's ignorant by itself! Useless! So STFU!

Same to you, Rossco! STFU!

Anonymous said...

Cutting Edge, crying obviously isn't working for you. I suggest paying a shrink to give a damn about what you say. He'll probably just up your medication. Or maybe find someone who likes you to give you a big hug. I don't think you'll find anyone here that will do either because we don't like you and think your comments are crap.
Lotsa love

Rossco

cutting edge said...

You don't like me because I'm telling the truth! STFU!

Anonymous said...

Cutting Edge you know the truth or is your truth an educated guess. Whatever it is, it is not an outright proven undeniable fact, however you dress it. Disparaging ForeSam or myself will not endear you to me nor go any way to "proving" your claims of knowledge of the truth.
Who is ignorant?
More importantly, you angry little ant, who should shut the fuck up? You who have come onto a site with the intent on giving people a hard time or ForeSam for doing his best to let people know his firmly held views on his own site?
That's right - STFU!

Anonymous said...

Fore Sam,

What about those who have done both DMSA and DMPS challenges and the results have determined they are "not candidates for chelation"? Oh, and I should point out that fragile-x or some other "chromosome defect" is not a factor here, either. What do you suggest for folks in that situation?

Making statements like those who don't chelate their kids are "letting them rot" is unfair. For some, it's because the test results don't recommend it and in fact, strongly recommend AGAINST it.

While I understand your passion for getting the word out about what "works" for your son, that doesn't automatically mean it will "work" for all. Like all other "treatments", it is by a case by case basis...one size does not fit all.

Fore Sam said...

Anon,
Legitimate criticism, a welcome opportunity for discussion.
Challenge tests are not the definitive test to determine if chelation is warranted. A hair test is the best method from my understanding.
The "letting them rot" comment is obviously aimed at those who advocate doing nothing. Since this is a blog and not a doctor's office, I take the liberty of generalizing. I think most sane people will agree that the most obvious cause of this epidemic is mercury. That's why it makes sense that chelation would be the best treatment for the majority.
Simpletons like Kevin Leitch, who won't test his kid but celebrates the joy of her brain damage, deserve the "rot" comment. Parents who investigate the cause do not. I hope you don't take my general position personally.

Anonymous said...

Fore Sam,

No, nothing taken personally here. It was just a very broad statement and I was looking for clarification on your part. While I still respectfully disagree with your methodology for labeling people for their choices, I thank you for taking the time to clarify your statement.

Sorry for having to be "anonymous", as I do not have a blog and am a little skittish about starting one, given the current climate on both sides of the issue.

I wish you continued luck and success with your son's progress. :)

cutting edge said...

You who have come onto a site with the intent on giving people a hard time or ForeSam for doing his best to let people know his firmly held views on his own site?

Firmly? Get your dictionary! He hasn't been firm! He's being an ass! An ignorant pompous ass! So he should STFU! And so should you!

captain obvious said...

I think most sane people will agree that the most obvious cause of this epidemic is mercury.

Correction. Most sane people agree that there is no verified "cause" of autism.

Fore Sam said...

Cutting edge and capt obvious, Thank you for showing off the stupidity of the neurodiverse.

captain obvious said...

Thank you for showing off the stupidity of the neurodiverse.

Is that all you can say? Where is the verification that you are right by the law makers?

cutting edge said...

You're the stupid one! STFU!

Fore Sam said...

Capt Obvious, Some lawmakers are now in favor of investigating vaccines. I think Dodd and Enzi were two of them. They must not be on Eli Lilly's payroll.

captain obvious said...

So where is the proof that there are lawmakers on their payroll?

Fore Sam said...

Cpt Obvious, You can look it up under campaign contributions.

Captain Obvious said...

That's not proof. That's supposition.

Anonymous said...

Hey John,
Don't trust Enzi. He promised us committee hearings before and then refused to hold them. Personaly I'm glad he'd no longer chairman

ZuZu said...

".... the stupidity of the neurodiverse" ?? Wouldn't that apply to *everyone* ?

Why isn't this blog named "Hating Mercury Poisoning?"

I'd like to see all this energy devoted to having those with autistic-like symptoms who really have mercury poisoning be diagnostically reclassified as "Mercury Poisoned." Surely one of the big C doctors would be able to make one big black stroke of the pen and change it all, putting the "theory" into reality. (C = Chelation.)

Autistic-like characteristics doesn't necessarily make "Autism," as has been pointed out time and again. Then, (by reclassifying properly) you might have a chance of actually getting some money in those lawsuits. Because that's what it's really about, right? If it's mercury, then that grooves to the damages money and can compensate for the out of pocket expenses incurred in recovering all these kids.

I mean, if it's genetics ... well, so sorry, Charlie - it was one of God's Big Gambles. No metals, no monies. There's yer next bumpah stickah.

Personally, I've 3 on spectrum. None were caused by vaccine. They weren't vaccinated. All were tested out for mercury components. All have had sensory-based therapy, simple vitamin C, and time. Two now talk up a storm. The third is learning to type.
All 3 as diverse as snowflakes and fingerprints. We just can't lump every individual into the mercury pot, as you've stated.

Fore Sam said...

Anon; As has been pointed out time and again to the ND nitwits, when autism was named, Kanner did not know that he had misnamed the symptoms of mercury poisoning. Now, we know. Wake up and shut up.

Anonymous said...

ZuZu,
What makes you think that the only source of mercury comes from vaccines? For that matter what makes you think that heavy metal poisoning is limited to mercury. I too have a Granddaughter on the spectrum. I am also a believer of high dose Vit C. She is very high functioning now. This was not always the case. I saw the biggest improvement with omega 3's. Many parents will swear by dietary changes. I think there are many roads leading out of OZ. One thing I know for sure. Main stream medicine has nothing to offer our kids except denial, and more toxic drugs. In fact this seems to be all they have to offer anyone.

captain obvious said...

Wake up and shut up.

Bully.

Fore Sam said...

Capt Obvious, Pussy!

Captain Obvious said...

Describing yourself?

Fore Sam said...

Capt Obvious, You are a lame excuse for a human being. Calling me names in anonymity proves you are a spineless lowlife.

Captain obvious said...

Trunk call from pot to kettle!

yay for autism! said...

autism is not caused by vaccines full stop

Only dumb arse parents who want their children to get measles, mumps, rubella, and anything else that can be immunised against think that mercury in vaccines causes autism

you are one of them

Fore Sam said...

Yay for autism, Measles mumps and rubella are a much better choice than autism. The chances of my son getting HepB are extremely slim. Only an ignorant twerp would shoot mercury into a baby given what we now know.

Anonymous said...

You prefer a child to die? Even Autism is more appealling than that!

Mich said...

"Mrs Seidel thinks the use of these terms dehumanizes autistic people. That's a nice bit of sophistry from someone who wants to discredit every decent parent on the face of the earth who helps a kid with autism climb out of the abyss. I love these terms because they are accurate descriptions of the horror that has been perpetrated on our babies by the sons of bitches who poisoned them with their negligence."



Sophistry? Of course it dehumanizes them. Heck, a generation or two ago, you'd be writing stuff about "niggers" and tons of hate-crap about Martin Luther King and how you'd think he's evil for wanting rights. Seriously, and you'd also write rants about your son being corrupted by "niggers" by hanging out with them, and blame "niggers" for the autism.

Mich said...

"Probe; If I hated my kid, I'd let him rot like you simpletons advocate for your kids."


I think you may be doing him a disadvantage by dehumanizing him on the blog. Think of what would happen if your son read your blog and understood, Fore-Sam. I swear, your son'd either begin to hate himself (as you've probably intended!), or he'd hate you.

Fore-Sam may not be "neuroinsane" or "mercury-poisoned" or whatever, but he certainly sounds like a huge egotistical jerk who pretends to care about us.

Fore Sam said...

Mich, You got this backwards. Seidel would have been telling Blacks to celebrate the joy of slavery. To her warped thinking, Civil Rights would have been an insult to their diversity of poverty and second class citizenship. And you wonder why I call you brain damaged?

reality check said...

To her warped thinking, Civil Rights would have been an insult to their diversity of poverty and second class citizenship.

Civil rights are exactly what people like the people you abuse are advocating. You are against it.

Fore Sam said...

Reality check, Sorry, you'll have to be deprogrammed. Wanting to remain in a state of brain damage is not sane.
I intend to abuse those who poisoned my son and refuse to help correct their error. My son's civil rights are being stomped on by virtue of the fact that he is denied medical treatment. You should also receive that treatment.

reality check said...

Wanting to remain in a state of brain damage is not sane.

Refusing any human being the right to choose their own destiny is not sane. And calling that "brain damage" is unrealistic and a reflection on a person who is not proven to be so. Thank God you aren't in a position to actually make these people do something they don't want to do.

Fore Sam said...

RC, That's why we have things called competency hearings. That's also why responsible parents gain legal guardianship of their adult children on the spectrum. Will you be responsible with your autistic kid or boot him out the door and let him screw up his life completely?

reality check said...

Will you be responsible with your autistic kid or boot him out the door and let him screw up his life completely?

If he or she wants to screw up his life after he or she turns 21, no one can stop them. They are legally adults. You can't stop them because you have no right. This is the real world in case you haven't noticed!

Fore Sam said...

RC, You are naive and irresponsible.

reality check said...

You think you are God. If that's not naive or irresponsible, I'm George Bush! Hello, Earth calling Foresam!

Fore Sam said...

RC, I don't think I'm God but I do think you're an irresponsible parent.

reality check said...

Yes you do. Look at what you write and the way you treat people who disagree with you. If you can.

reality check said...

Yes you do. You talk down to everyone who disagrees with you like one. Read over your comments again. If you can.

Mich said...

"Mich, You got this backwards. Seidel would have been telling Blacks to celebrate the joy of slavery. To her warped thinking, Civil Rights would have been an insult to their diversity of poverty and second class citizenship. And you wonder why I call you brain damaged?"


She mght be telling them to celebrate the less awful parts of slavery, but you'd be all "ZOMG KILL ALL N1GGERS AND YANK THEIR SKIN OFF 2 TURN EM WHIIIIITE".

Pompous, egotistical hypocritical prick! Seriously, that's what I tihnk of you. You can only get enjoyment in life out of ridiculing your son and similar people who don't operate like yourself......you can only get by on going with conspiracy theories about doctors dumping the contents of their thermometers into syringes to inject into kids! You don't love your son, your son doesn't love you, and I'm considering converting back to Christianity solely to pray for you to be led to reason!

You seriously make me sick, sick beyond words. I'd be glad to see someone like you get brutally "cured."

Mich said...

"Refusing any human being the right to choose their own destiny is not sane. And calling that "brain damage" is unrealistic and a reflection on a person who is not proven to be so. Thank God you aren't in a position to actually make these people do something they don't want to do."


I agree fully.

Fore Sam said...

Mich, Someday the men in the white coats will find you. If you're lucky, you'll be cured.

reality check said...

There goes God again, preaching from his Bible. Give it up already!

(Damn net connection earlier!)