Monday, April 28, 2008

A Forceful Voice in Autism Debate, Concord Monitor Conned

Kathleen Seidel is a conniving, deceitful and vicious bitch. The Concord Monitor was conned again by this rotten excuse for a human being when they printed her lies yesterday. It's one thing for Seidel to promote her nonsense on her blog where the only people who see it are those of us who are forced to deal with autism every day. It's something entirely different when a major newspaper poisons the minds of the general public by allowing Seidel to lie to them about autism.

When the Monitor prints inaccurate information such as this:
"Seidel believes that the propagation of the theory causes many harms: It traumatizes parents, who believe their children have been poisoned and must be fixed; it harms children, who are subjected to medically unnecessary treatments designed to remove mercury from their bodies; it discourages vaccination, leaving children vulnerable to deadly diseases; and it distracts autism activists and researchers from the work she feels is most important"

they are dooming some autistic children to life in an institution.

Margot Sanger-Katz, the uneducated dingbat who wrote this article, obviously has not heard the truth about autism. We are curing autistic kids by removing the mercury that doctors injected into them. Seidel knows this, lies about it, and the Monitor prints her lies.

Parents are not traumatized to learn that mercury from vaccines caused their kids' autism. They are happy to learn this since we now know what caused the problem. If we know what caused the problem, there is a chance we can fix it. Seidel is trying to make people believe the lies that doctors have told us for decades, that there is no known cause or cure for autism. That lie became obsolete in 1999 when we learned that mercury was the cause of the autism epidemic. Unfortunately, those with the most money to lose do not want us to know that fact. So, scumbags like Seidel spend all of their time trying to perpetuate that lie.

Seidel and her associates at Neuroinsanity go overboard by coming up with the absurd notion that it is somehow wrong to tell people with brain damage that that brain damage should be repaired. They have conned lots of brain damaged people into publicly proclaiming that they enjoy having the brain damage known as Asperger's and they are encouraged to lie about it by calling themselves autistic. Every time some idiot with Asperger's publicly states that they are an autistic person who does not want to be cured, they are presenting false information to the public. This lie is extremely damaging to actual autistic people who can not speak, read, write or type and very much do need their brain damage fixed.

This is an intentional effort of pure propaganda and it is growing. Media like the Concord Monitor need to understand this. Neurodiversity is an associate of Quackbusters. Quackbusters is an organization whose sole goal is to discredit any method of medicine that does not result in profit for mainstream medicine and the pharmaceutical industry. The pharmaceutical industry stands to lose trillions of dollars when the truth comes out that they negligently poisoned us all starting in 1931. Doctors stand to take a huge hit to their reputations while they are protected from lawsuits by a legal loophole called "standard of care". This means that as long as doctors uniformly lie to everyone and claim that there is no known cause or cure for autism, they can not be held liable since that lie is standard medical practice. They can not be held liable for poisoning our children with mercury since the standard medical practice is to keep poisoning babies with mercury.

Let's look at more ignorance from Margot Sanger-Katz:
"Science hasn't settled the question of what causes autism, but it has largely ruled out the possibility that a mercury-based preservative called Thimerosal, used in childhood vaccines until 2001, is to blame."

Sanger Katz should know that mercury is still being pumped into babies and fetuses via the flu shot. It was also still in most vaccines until 2003. Vaccines still contain the full dose of mercury in Asia, Africa, South America and other poor countries.

Science has settled the question of mercury causing autism. It does. The sources that Sanger Katz uses are lying to protect their own interests. They screwed up and they will not admit it.

Dr Mark Geier is the man who confirmed what Verstraeten told us in 1999, that thimerosal did cause the autism epidemic. Sanger-Katz should have asked Dr Geier about that instead of asking him to defend himself from the deranged attack of character assassination that is continually presented by Seidel. Instead, Sanger-Katz quotes some horse's ass named Gottesman who wrote a paper in 1995 about autism being genetic, four years before we learned that autism was caused by the mercury in thimerosal. This moron calls Seidel an Erin Brockovich when sane people know that she more closely resembles Joseph Goebbels for her expertise in spreading propaganda that harms autistic children.

Is Sanger-Katz aware of Seidel's work with Amanda Baggs who Seidel uses to further her propaganda? Baggs is a complete fraud who claims to be autistic. She is not. Seidel gives her rides and helps her fix her medical records so she can con the general public into believing that there are actually autistic people who do not want to be cured. There is no autistic person on this planet who would not love to be cured. To suggest otherwise is simply insane. It is also evil.

Amanda Baggs is an actress who plays the role of spokesmodel for Neurodiversity. She acts like a low functioning autistic woman, a role she honed by copying a real autistic woman who had learned to type at age 30. She has conned CNN into putting her story on TV and she has made a bunch of Youtube videos where she proclaims she does not want a cure. She does this in concert with another phoney autistic lesbian who is nothing more than a fat, lazy slob who has stated that it is OK to lie to beat the system.

Baggs claims that she can't speak. although she can sing. She could speak fine when she started college at age 14. Then she mangled her brain by using LSD 4 or 5 times a day, tried suicide, was diagnosed schizophrenic, became an elf and went doctor shopping to get diagnosed with autism at age 19, at about the time that the movement to obfuscate the truth about autism was being started, 1999. I don't know how Baggs and Seidel met each other but Seidel's husband did attend the same college that Baggs drropped out of after one year.

Here's another blatant lie by Seidel that demonizes decent people:
""They're talking about experimenting on disabled kids," she said. "Disabled kids are among the most vulnerable people on the planet.""
The truth of the matter is that this "experimenting" (Lupron) was solid science that resulted in helping lots of autistic children. Dr Boyd Haley, who Seidel also criticized unfairly, taught us that the reason four times as many boys as girls become autistic is because testosterone makes the mercury more potent while estrogen lessens the effects. Without this "experimenting", those children would not have been helped to recover from their autism. Removing the testosterone from these children made it easier to chelate all of the mercury out and give these kids a chance to recover from mercury poisoning which is misnamed autism. Seidel's calling disabled children vulnerable is quite a stretch when what she is really saying is that she does not want these children to be cured.

Seidel does not mention that Dr Haley made a great discovery with what he learned about how quickly testosterone added to mercury can kill brain cells. Instead, she used her typical character assassination technique to criticize Dr Haley for using the term "Mad Child Disease". As a father of a severely autistic boy, the term "Mad Child Disease" could not be more accurate. How else would you describe a child who reaches into his diaper and smears feces all over his face, runs into traffic and bashes his head through every wall in the house?

That's the truth about autism that Kathleen Seidel does not want the world to know.
She would rather have an uneducated person like Sanger-Katz tout her inane garbage about celebrating the joy of autism and making the public believe that there is actually something good about autism. There isn't! There may be a few intelligent people who have diagnosed themselves with Asperger's and also tout Seidel's version of insanity about not curing autism. They do not represent the horror that autistic kids endure. To allow herself to be conned by Seidel and pawn this deranged version of autism off on the general public is a disgrace. There are children who are suffering severely, with physical pain every day of their lives from having their brains poisoned with mercury. These children will never come close to leading a normal life. The few who have decent and intelligent parents who have done the research themslves have a chance to escape from the throes of this horrific nightmare. The rest, the vast majority of autistic kids, will not recover thanks to garbage like what was written on the Concord Monitor by an inept idiot who did not do her research.

Margot Sanger-Katz needs to learn that every word out of Kathleen Seidel's mouth is a carefully planned lie as part of her propaganda effort to prevent autistic children from being cured. Kathleen Seidel belongs in prison, not on the front page of any newspaper.

79 comments:

Anonymous said...

Isn't it about time the doctors she slams give her a dose of libel lawsuit? This really has gone far enough with her already.

The Shoemaker deal was just a legal irritant and didn't have a chance of stopping her. Some libel to the jaw should do the trick.

It just seems odd that it hasn't happened yet. Maybe the doctors just don't worry about her that much.

anon#72

Foresam said...

Now that Seidel has been able to con legitimate newspapers into printing her lies, maybe someone will do something about it. I sent this blog entry to the Monitor writer and got no reply so she must not give a damn about autistic kids.

Anonymous said...

Well, its really desperation time for Siedel now that things are moving along with the Poling case and uncoming cases. The blueprint was laid out a few years ago by DAN doctors for treating autism's mitochondrial problems, and Siedel and team ND decided to say it was all quackery. Well, funny how those treatments are turning out to have been the right things all along. This fact won't escape the public as it all comes out, and the people with the most invested in calling the treatment quackery (ie. lots of blog posts) will have alot of explaining. Shoemaker should have been a little more patient and things would have fallen into place better.

The wheels are grinding along and anyone who can't see where they are heading should re-think their position.

Good work on keeping at Seidels heels, John. There will be a time when people will need every bit of info you can collect on her and the rest of these scumbags, even though it seems like things are going slowly now.

anon#72

Anonymous said...

she gives a damn about the TRUTH. Now wrap your head around that why don't you.

Hint: you might have to use the "other head" in case there is more thinking material in there.

Ivan

laurentius rex said...

I think those who talk about libels should look to there own glass houses.

I have never seen such a scurrilous an libelous blog as this one.

AutismNewsBeat said...

I'm glad you showed the Monitor what you are writing on this site. I hope you let more newspapers know how you think, because that will save me the trouble.

Foresam said...

Autism newsbeat,
Aside from Phil Gluyas, I can't imagine meeting a more idiotic bastard than you. Am I supposed to be concerned that a dumb fuck like you is going to relay what I have to say about a nasty bitch who is hazardous to autistic children? Get real.

Foresam said...

Larry,
I thought professional students knew the difference between "there" and "their".

Foresam said...

Anon #72,
Every cured child proves that Seidel is a lying slug. She'll be forced to shut up soon.

Anonymous said...

Maybe all the ND folks are just getting jealous of all the attention that is not going their way now. Seriously, their point of view is pretty much ignored by every media out there except the internet blogs, Concord Monitor nonwithstanding. They had it so good just few months ago in 2007, before all this Poling mess hit the fan. The internet in a stranglehold, no new research in sight. Funny how things chage when research started a couple of years back comes to fruition.

Way to go autismnewsbeat, you sure have won over the country with the ND party line. Why not take out some ads in newspapers saying how great autism is and how it needs to be accepted and loved. I'm sure you'd get a great resposnse from the public with that one. It would be interesting to see if you have the skill to craft something like that without offending all of the parents with autistic kids (except the five ND parents). Your primary talent seems to be in misinterpreting data and trends in research, so it could be a long shot.

Anonymous said...

John,

You're right that the cured kid angle is going to be one of the more popular stories soon, especially since there was such a media blitz on autism the "mystery". What reporter would not want to jump onto a story that shows a piece of the "mystery" solved.

anon#72

laurentius rex said...

its them amalgam fillings ain't it, screws up me grammar and spellin.

laurentius rex said...

And also for what it is worth before you criticise my orthography just remember who defended your lot against the gratuitous piss take of Kevin Leitch over sim(p)sonwood which I thought was below the belt.

http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/?p=558

Anonymous said...

Anytime I'm bored I check your blog and hope there's a new post. Simple minded explanations of complex things, elementary school level name calling, circular logic. You can't express an opinion without it being "everyone knows" or "science has already proved."

You never disappoint! So "sophistocated"!

Foresam said...

". Simple minded explanations of complex things,..."
Not quite. simply simple explanations of complex lies. That is the definition of neuroinsanity, complex lies.

Foresam said...

Larry,
I realize you don't quite fit as a standard neuronitwit. Am I wrong in assuming you might agree with Thomas McKean?

Anonymous said...

"Every cured child proves that Seidel is a lying slug. "
Ah, but what about every child with autism that has not had vaccines containing thimersol?

Anonymous said...

hey......John, why don't you tell the washington post.........

www.washingtonpost.com

about this. I'll do you a favor and find plenty of sites for you to spread your word............

for free. imagine that.

Ivan

Foresam said...

Anon,
It would be interesting if some newspaper allowed Seidel to present her deranged agenda and allowed me to point out all of her lies. Do you think Seidel would agree to that? I'd even allow her husband and Amanda Baggs to help her.

I don't think her propaganda would be very effective with immediate rebuttal from me or any other sane person.

Anonymous said...

And how would we know someone is insane and it's not just us?
Anyways, I forgot, what department of the military did you work in again?

Foresam said...

Anon,
Anyone who disagrees with neuroinsanity is probably sane. If there's any doubt, just ask me and I'll evaluate them.

Anonymous said...

'Droopy' is 'telling it like it is' in her characteristic 'style' all over the place on AutismSpeaks, kicking ass and taking names
http://www.autismspeaks.org/community/forums/showpost.php?p=81948&postcount=8

meanwhile Amanda Baggs is on wrongplanet receiving much scrutiny and attention (wich she loves no doubt) busily working doubletime at 'redefinding' autism as to explain away herself and her past on Wrong Planet
http://www.wrongplanet.net/forumsearch_author-anbuend-sid-0f7103244115093103b3e085e90fe2d2.html

Anonymous said...

You're the one who needs evaluating.

Foresam said...

Hi CDC,
I hope you're enjoying my blog. Are you disappointed that I'm exposing Kathleen for the lying slug that she is?

Anonymous said...

Baggs has a post on WP describing how schizphrenia manifests the same as autism and explaining her "regression" in the teens. You've got to hand it to her, that woman could sell ice cream to eskimos. She spends a time everyday hammering home her 'I'm autistic' bit. She is brainwashing people.

I still say she should go to JRS. They would get to the bottom of it for her.

Foresam said...

Hey CDC,
I see you came back to learn some more about autism. Don't you assholes have the manners to return my greeting? If you can't at least say "hi y'all", get the fuck out of here.

Zoe said...

How would you be able to tell that the CDC checks a blog?

Foresam said...

Some of the govt. agencies identify themselves on a statcounter.

Anonymous said...

I notice you didn't mention your blog in your letter to the editor. Funny, that.

Foresam said...

Thanks for letting me know they published a small piece of what I wrote.

I see the Monitor published lies from two other liars who support Seidel. I guess they don't care if they contribute to hurting autistic children.

laurentius rex said...

Well I guess Durkheim if were around today might have said that if Amanda Baggs did not exist she would have been invented, and he would have said the same about you to, because from a functionalist perspective everything in society has it's reason and necessity even what is termed deviance (and indeed criminality but then I would if I were an uber geek refer you to an episode of Blakes Seven when Servelan posited exactly that hypothesis)

I don't know these days what Thomas McKeen is up to, I recall him being a bit miffed that there are all too many authors and speakers on the circuit (or what I would call the circus) these days.

Indeed I have heard the same said in the hallowed portals of a certain organisation whose name I must not speak.

Well I'll tell you this much, when heard that I replied that you would not find me on media circus of self narrating zoo exhibits because I don't want to be know for my AS I want to be known for what I say, but not everyone wants to listen and indeed if you want to be part of the circus you have to play up to the circus (as indeed you do, to your particular fan club)

I am prepared to modify my ideas, and I have over time, I could have been the Louis Farrakhan of Autism, but now I court unpopularity by publicly saying that the notion of supremacy is bull, all anyone deserves is equality. Equality is not earned, it is a gift that is in the power of us all, simply to treat everyone with the decency we would expect for ourselves, and it is a bloody hard thing to live up to when you know in daily life how many times people don't come up to the standards you set yourself.

Maybe you can reform, I don't know, I think in years to come you will learn more as your son grows up, maybe you will grow up too.

Anonymous said...

http://www.ridiculopathy.com/news_detail.php?id=1725

Hilarious article about self diagnosed Aspies. Aren't most of WP posters self dxed.

Anonymous said...

Why is it inaccurate to say that someone believes something if in fact they do?

If they believe something that is not true - that's not lying.

Anonymous said...

I guess they don't care if they contribute to hurting autistic children.

(sarcasm) Unlike chelation, which of course is perfectly safe

Foresam said...

Anon,
Yes, chelation IS perfectly safe.

Seidel is not stupid enough to believe anything she says. She's a propaganda wizard.

Larry,
I grew up about the time I finished school and joined the service. If you ever get done with school, maybe you'll become a grown up too.

Anonymous said...

Tony Attwood said universities are sheltered workshops for Aspies. They cannot manage in the real world which is why they need to start admitting they have a disorder that needs to be cured.

I think the reason so many people refuse to admit vaccines are killing and disabling children and adults is that they hate to admit they have been conned. No one wants to admit they were duped so they perpetuate the lie to make themselves feel better. If they admit they have been conned then they will have to do something about it. They might have to do a little research on these poisons, they might have to do a little soul searching about how they obeyed the status quo like the sheep they are and that their minds are being controlled.

People like Seidel are the worst of the worst because she is probably smart enough to know the truth but chooses to perpetuate lies to cover her own bad judgement in poisoning her own children.

Ender said...

I do not believe asperger's is a disease and to be perfectly fair, I know a great deal more about it then you do. Not only am I an aspie, I have also worked with dozens upon dozens of aspies of various ages. Of the adults I know some are having some troubles getting along in the real world, some are college professors. Just a thought, but I would imagine being a college professor is WAY better then your job, or at least takes way more brains. And some are somewhere in between, I myself will start teaching middle school next year.

Of the kids I have worked with some are the stereotypical kids, "obsessed with train schedules" (or at least the trains themselves, but hey if you can get a job in Europe or Asia where trains are still a main form of travel working on them all the more power to ya). Some are just really nice kids that seem to be pretty smart in everything. And yes, some, like myself, have other learning disabilities (I myself am slightly dyslexic) that we have to learn to get around. I am set to graduate from a small, fairly exclusive, liberal arts university this weekend, something tells me I succeeded.

Foresam said...

Ender,
I wouldn't call autism or Asperger's diseases. I'd rather call them conditions since a disease seems like something you can catch. Mercury poisoning is not contagious.
The fact that Aspie's need to be worked with means they have something wrong with them that needs to be fixed.

Ask your college professor if he can pick the first 4 finishers in the Derby this Saturday. I say it will be #'s 4, 8, 9 and 10 in any order. I'm throwing out the big favorite. I don't think he'll hit the board at all. Let me know if your professor did better than me.

Ender said...

Yes but if you treat the root condition do you also get rid of all symptoms? If you chelate all aspies and make it so they are no longer aspies, would you not also get rid of their ability to obsess, to perservate on one thing for a great deal of time? While you might think this is a good thing, most genious comes from the ability to obsess, you get rid of the ability to obsess you might be getting rid of future inventions and insights. After all I would imagine you would have to obsess about something a great deal to get your doctorate, so you could become a college professor.

If that is the case does it not follow that it is much wiser to treat the symptoms when the root condition has positives? Do you not want to keep the positives and get rid of the negatives. I mean isn't this what teachers do with students of all types. Do they not try to bring out the positives the student already possesses while getting rid of the negatives.

Which brings me to my main point, everyone needs to be worked with. You did not come out of the womb with all the knowledge you now have. Nor did you learn everything on your own. No, someone had to help you to become the person you are today (God help us all). Likewise any child needs to be worked with, not just aspie kids. While aspies might need this extra attention a bit more, that does not make them defective in and of itself.

Anonymous said...

Ender,

The essence of your argument is always "I'm smarter than you so I'm not disabled". So predictable.

Look, one thing you have to realize is that many of the parents with kids on the spectrum are not only willing to fight to raise healthy kids, but are quite educated. A good number have PhD's also, this parent included.

It's getting so tiresome to hear arguments of mental superiority, different "culture" and "species" of human, but I suppose one can not expect anything else from someone on the spectrum. My kid perseveres with water and videos, you seem to persevere with your arguments, even after all the recent news.

You know, maybe if you read the literature from PubMed or.. I don't know, learned something about biochemistry and genetics, maybe you could have something useful to say. Since that is not going to happen, you are just going to stay in the background yammering away while parents cure their kids and get our country out of a downward spiral of ever-increasing autism rates.

Sure, you're doing great with your life, and some of those kids may not be too bad off. Why claim that you or they have anything in common with Sam or any other kids with more severe autism though. Ugh. just give it up.

Anonymous said...

Ender,

Jeeez, it just does not end does it. Getting a PhD requires focus and attention and dedication. It does not require obsession on triviality, stimming, or anything else autistic. Genius and autism are not the same thing.

Here is an idea. The brains of smart folks are biochemically different than others', but the function predisposes them to damage from mercury. The mercury has the effect of turing up the "speed" up to 11, past the boundary where the brain can function properly and stimming, obsession, and other symptoms appear. Ramp up the speed further and things get even worse.

Getting rid of the mercury would not change the underlying metabolic differences - the brain power. The same goes for any Biomed treatment, diet, etc.

lurker said...

I wonder where the proof is that chelating/curing aspies would take away all of their non pathologic traits. It seems like a scare tactic put out there to discourage a cure, but what if a cure would result in a less fortunate aspie gaining the skills easily obtained by the most well off aspies who don't have any real impairments?

It doesn't matter if aspies have things in common with those with severe autism because those are only trivial similarities and the inequalities are of true importance. The only time aspies portray themselves as disabled is when they want to blur the differences between high and low functioning to pretend they share the difficulties.

Those creeps who call universities or NASA sheltered workshops hugely trivialize real disability that hurts employment prospects, and do so to blur functioning lines and make believe there is harmony among those on the spectrum. I'd be surprised if some well off aspies without trouble getting jobs wouldn't be insulted by such a portrayal. But anything will be said if it can confuse someone the intended way. The crackpots incessantly talking about different "culture" and "variation" are out of touch with the hardships of the unfortunate people on the spectrum and the cries for relief.

Ender said...

Anon, I never anywhere in that said I am smarter then you. Just different. Frequently many aspies have great knowledge in one thing, not spread out like neurotypicals. Neither is right or wrong, just different from each other. Now I would appreciate it if you would stop saying that you are better then me, because its just not true.

As for their parents being incredibly smart too, that is probably true but lets see if you can follow me for a second. What does it take to be a college professor? You have to be able to preservate on one issue or another (to get your doctorate you generally have to specialize to an increadible detail.) Most professors I have met are at least a little bit socially weird. They have to enjoy telling others about what the preservate on. Wait they sound quite a bit like aspies themselves. I think Steven Stills said it best, "I can see a bit of myself in him, the desire to hide myself away behind a guitar", or something like that. Seems more genetic based to me.

Ender said...

P.S. I think researching an 18th century figure who had little importance in his time and no importance in this time and then writing a 300 page paper about him is obsessing about the trivial. FYI that was what one of my professors did for his disertation.

Foresam said...

Ender,
You're proving my point that Seidel and the rest of you wack jobs are trying to confuse the issue.

This blog is about autistic kids who can't talk, read, write or toilet themselves. How do you compare to them?

Ender said...

I can't, but other people, including yourself, continue to bring up how bad Asperger's is and how we need to cure it. You can say LFA needs to be cured all you want, but leave AS out of it and have your groupies do the same.

Ender said...

P.S. Now that you ask the question though I worked with a LFA kid last year that couldn't talk (was learning to on a machine), write, or toliet himself and couldn't read that much. He was doing math about 5 years ahead of his level pretty much making him the smartest kid in the school in math... in 2nd grade.

Timelord said...

This blog is about autistic kids who can't talk, read, write or toilet themselves. How do you compare to them?

But they CAN be taught to, Best!! You never bloody well bothered, because you PANICKED! Some father you are! Oh yeah - mod that out, coward!

laurentius rex said...

Well I cannot be a typical aspie because my obsession is with all knowledge I know a great deal about many things, which is why my research is crossing more than one academic domain.

The bloody point is who do you trust to know what to do about autistic kids, people with a real academic background or quacks and hacks like the Geiers, Wakefield and company.

I don't think Foresam has the slightest knowledge about the depth of autism research there is out there, never mind he knows nothing whatever about cognitive neuroscience. Ok it ain't my field either, but at least I bother to learn about it.

Put me down as much as you like, put my school down as much as you like, but I'll tell you this, Autism and neurology is way more complex than picking Derby winners.

The reason why I am pursuing my further studies now, is because it was impossible before given my family responsibility caring for a disabled mother.

And you don't think I heard about every quack cure for every other disability or where HBOT came from and then expanded because they were unable to milk the original market to the extent they could make a profit.

I have lived a lot more than Foresam gives me credit for and seen more than he ever will with his blinkers on.

Anonymous said...

Ender,

the genetic basis is that smart people have different biochemistries that make them predisposed to environmental damage. They would be quick or mind without mercury screwing it up.

Your argument is just not working. If you worry about taking mercury out because you might lose your smarts, you have just agreed to the entire biomed argument by default. You can't have it both ways. Either mercury has no effect, or it does.

Sopme professors are on the spectrum, I grant you that, but my point is that they would be smart regardless of the effects of mercury, lead, allergies, or whetever tweaks their system. You can argue about hypothetical autistics in the past all you want but smart folks have existed for all of written history. They were not all autistic.

Foresam said...

Larry,
I can appreciate that you've seen quack cures and have probably read a lot more than I ever will about autism.

Your downfall is in not knowing when to let go of obsolete information. I only endured two years worth of learning useless junk about autism before we learned what the cause was. It was easy for me to discard that useless junk that was written before we knew thimerosal was the cause.

I have to update my knowledge of trends in racing constantly. Things that worked 20 years ago might not work now in the same manner. If I wasn't prepared to make changes all the time, I'd lose my shirt.

You're denying the key ingredient to autism and that's sad because it might help you. Geier's no quack; he's a sharp guy who is helping kids. Anyone who was aware of Lupron and what Haley taught us about testosterone and mercury would have reached the same conclusion as Geier, that Lupron was worth a shot to help these kids. He was right, the kids are getting better. It's that simple, Larry.

Learning all this stuff about autism interferes with my other interests and it costs me money. All I want to know is how to give my kid his life back and then I'll be done with it. You have lived it every day for a long time and I hope you'll listen to Andy Cutler so you can be done with it and move on. It's a pain in the ass. It's not something to hang on to.

Anonymous said...

"Now that you ask the question though I worked with a LFA kid last year that couldn't talk (was learning to on a machine), write, or toliet himself and couldn't read that much. He was doing math about 5 years ahead of his level pretty much making him the smartest kid in the school in math... in 2nd grade."

Great, maybe with some biomed he could get better and still be good at math.

Foresam said...

Phil,
What can I say to get you to threaten to sue me again? That's when you're at your funniest. You're too stupid for anyone to take you seriously but I do enjoy watching you act like a total loon.

Foresam said...

Ender,
Could your math wizard figure out how to use his skills for something useful, like analyzing pace scenarios or could he simply apply formulas to arrive the correct answers on tests? Anyone can do that but it's so boring, nobody cares. Show me he can analyze some racing forms and make himself some money. Then it will be worthwhile to be so advanced.

Anonymous said...

"Most professors I have met are at least a little bit socially weird. They have to enjoy telling others about what the preservate on. Wait they sound quite a bit like aspies themselves. I"

Listen Ender, this is bullshit. Doctors and lawyers would be aspies then also, since they discuss minutia also. As I said, the ability to focus and analyze at a high level is what these people posess, and something outside influence tips it out of control. You can't claim that the original ability is "autism". Nobody outside of wrongplanet is going to buy that argument.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone have any theories about why the Seidels spend so much time promoting and protecting Amanda Baggs? They must spend hours on the internet on her behalf because they jump instantly on anyone who doubts Baggs's story. Then the AutismDiva jumps on anyone who jumps on them. Why is AD so involved anyway when all she has is one mildly Asperger child. What's going on with these people? There has to be some deeper agenda happening here.

Anonymous said...

You're too stupid for anyone to take you seriously but I do enjoy watching you act like a total loon.

Yet again I say: You, however..

laurentius rex said...

I have a deeper agenda which I am willing to share.

My agenda comes from the disability movement, and it is to ensure that disabled people are not seen as less than anybody else, because only when people are accorded respect are there rights recognised and enshrined into law.

It goes for autism too, all of it, if you continuously portray autistic children as train wrecks, and worse you are diminishing there rights, and by implication ours as adults.

40 years and more ago people saw autistic children as ineducable, now that has been proven not to be the case.

To suggest that there is a conspiracy to create autistic kids in order to feed Big Pharma, is like suggesting a conspiracy between the motor cycle and wheelchair industries to create quadriplegics.

Foresam said...

Larry,
This is where you lose credibility, Larry.

We know that Neurodiversity is pure propaganda. If you want yourself to be seen as something other than propaganda, you can not include low functioning kids as needing rights and respect. When you can talk, read, write or know better than to walk in front of a speeding car, you need your brain fixed first.

You are confusing that issue. Those kids are not educable by any stretch of the imagination. That's why, before chelation, all doctors advised parents that they would help when the kids grew too large and had to be sent away. That was all that could be done.

As long as you are associated with a fraud like Amanda Baggs who further confuses this issue, you have no chance of gaining any respect. And, you don't deserve it. That bullshit harms poisoned kids who might otherwise be cured.

If you want the respect you think you deserve, you have to earn it. You won't do that by telling people like me not to get the poison out of our childrens' brains. Separate your issues from my kid's issues and it's a different ballgame.

laurentius rex said...

Foresam I think you have just condemned yourself by your ignorance of autism and your total disrespect.

Everybody needs rights and respect, no matter how high or low funtioning, otherwise what is the alternative, eugenics? euthanasia?

Foresam said...

Larry,
You are confirming yourself as nothing but a propagandist when you use words like eugenics and euthanasia while leaving out the word "cure".

lurker said...

laurentius, there are ways out there to advance autistics' rights and you ideologues don't seem to be aiming for them. You mostly complain about the negative rhetoric used to describe the hardships of the lives of autistics. Train wreck like descriptions probably won't endanger their outcomes, and probably isn't as prevalent as you make it out to be.

And you guys are not just talking about rights and respect. You have screamed out against cure and that even the disability involved should be preserved. You can't argue against the insanity of that, and turn to your respect rhetoric instead, and such anti-cure ideas hurt your credibility in your messages about respect.

You also tell half lies that autistics aren't ineducable, when it is well known that without forms of intervention, there are huge barriers to the learning of many of them. And what makes you so great when it comes to being respectful? Think about it, how would you like to deal with the indignities and horrors that the LFA/unfortunate autistics have to deal with? You dodge having to talk about those problems and show minimal compassion towards their plight. And you advocate policies that will keep the LFA down. I don't know exactly what respect is supposed to be according to you and others. So how about starting with the golden rule. You're very alarmist about eugenics and euthanasia when like nobody is advocating it. You seem to make your anti-eugenics and euthanasia character out to justify your carelessness about what policies you advocate for autistics, regardless of what miserable life outcomes they ensue, because it makes you feel good.

Anonymous said...

http://nhmind.blogspot.com/

This idiot over in Bedford, NH has a blog, is all for vaccines and all for Seidel. What a pathetic person.

laurentius rex said...

I try and engage you in polite debate and avoid slinging brickbats and insults, it seems pointless.

I really think you do have a psychological problem with the acceptance of your sons disability.

What if he is not "cured" are you going to go on hating him because he is autistic.

I think there is little point appealing to you directly but I am sure there are others reading this who can see that there is middle ground. We are both locked into contradictory belief systems, the point is you have to move towards the middle ground because you are surely going to lose everything you value in a pointless excercise of hate and anger otherwise.

The same goes for the fanatic Aspergians.

You can forget the internet, forget the autism hub, consider this, I do have a position of respect, not because of my ranting but because I can hold up in a proper academic debate. You are painting yourself ever more into a corner, you see everyone who disagrees with you as an enemy, it is not so.

And for the record I am displeased with the way that Amanda Baggs represents autism, and even more so with CNN who could not care less so long as they get an audience for what amounts to no more than a latter day freak show.

Don't represent your son as loss, think about what happens if you are wrong. I am not threatening you I am appealing to you.

I will tell you this over the next 10 years conceptions of autism are going to change immensely, and it is not biochemistry that will unlock those secrets but physics.

laurentius rex said...

lurker you do immense disrespect to another generation of parents.

The NAS is probably the oldest organisation for autistic people in the world, and I have come up against parents from that generation who considered me as much of an upstart as you do. However there is this difference, I respect what they fought for and proved back in the sixties when they set up schools for autistic kids, they were no less dedicated to there children than you chelationistas are. Lorna Wing was a parent who has sadly outlived here autistic daughter, I have great respect for her even though she came up with this "dangerous notion" of Asperger's syndrome that bought me into the equation.

Do you really think my life is only dedicated to some aspergian supremacy bullshit because it ain't

I am concerned in a very real way with the lives of what you call LFA people. Just what the hell do you think the NAS does? unlike ASA and Autism Speaks we actually provide education, we actually provide services for adults, you would think after 40 years we would have some experience wouldn't you.

Foresam said...

Larry,
You're a funny guy slinging the neuroinsane BS that I hate my kid because I hate the fact he was poisoned into autism. Did Kevin Leitch or Autism Dingbat tell you to say that?

You can't hold your own in any debate with me because there is no debate. Autism is synonymous with mercury poisoning.

There is no middle ground. Once we learned that autism was caused by thimerosal, the only thing that made sense was to take the mercury out of all vaccines and chelate it out of the people who were damaged by it.

The liars who defend the drug companies have to call me names but I'm no loose cannon or radical fringe. I'm simply holding my ground because I'm not stupid enough to buy any of the BS that neuroinsanity and the drug companies and the CDC are selling.

laurentius rex said...

Well you can judge as you judge, Kevin Leitch won't let any post of mine through even when I support his position, well what would you say to that?

I am angry with Amanda Baggs and she is not letting my posts through either.

As for the Aspergian blogger, he won't let anyones posts through.

I'm not calling you names, I am trying to talk sense to you, and if you don't realise that I hope someone else does before you lose it all.

Do you really think I defend drug companies? they peddle the same shit to both sides. You don't realise that this chelation shit is the same bad shit as the antipsychotic and SSRI shit. The drug companies win and you lose.

Ender said...

Sorry about taking so long to respond, I was busy graduating this weekend. I figured out a dangerous trend for your arguements however; let A= low fuctioning autism, B= Asperger's, and C= a cute

If A then C (if you have LFA you need a cure and can readily get one)

A does not equal B (LFA isn't AS)

so therefore

If B then C (if you have asperger's you need a cure and can readily get one.)

The problem here is obvious to anyone who at least makes an effort to look. You try to have things both ways, you say that Asperger's is not autism; yet the final step you lay out needs for it to be. If Asperger's is nothing like LFA (no quams for me there) what makes you assume beyond any shadow of a doubt that they are caused by the same thing and can be cured the same way? And if all your experience is in LFA, what makes you so God damn sure that Asperger's needs a cure?

Foresam said...

It's people who claim to have Asperger's who are telling me not to help my LFA kid. That tells me their brains don't work right. They should be fixed.

You developed AS because you were poisoned as a baby. That led to your becoming gay. How long before AIDS gets you and you make your final contribution to population reduction? Your death at a young age probably means 40 or 50,000 gallons of gasoline will be saved for future generations. How much gasoline is saved by every gay who dies young and every LFA who will never drives and their potential offspring who will never be born?

A million autistic people who never drive save about 50,000,000,000 gallons of gasoline. The two kids they won't have save another 100 billion gallons. Are you starting to see the big picture?

Ender said...

I am starting to get that you are into eugenics. I am also starting to get that you have grown irrational at your own age. I said nothing about curing your son that post. But once again let me restate my main point. If LFA and AS are not the same thing, what makes you so damn sure they have the same initial cause.

Foresam said...

Ender,
You need to stop dwelling on minutiae or there's no point in my talking to you. Did your college teach you how to think? Can you show that?

Ender said...

You totally ignored my question. How if LFA and AS are different can you be sure that they are caused by the same thing. This seems like a very important question that challenges your entire position.

lurker said...

Those claiming to have AS condemning cure for LFA aren't a sign of a broken mind, maybe a twisted mind, but it is most likely selfishness. These anti-cure people make distortions with exceptions about reality and are oppressors. They are interested in keeping their position above others.

I don't know what fixing would be for someone who claims that even disability in general is natural and is just a part of diversity. Such people need to be prevented from having real influence. They seem more vicious than messed up in the head. They are enemies of people.

jonathan said...

Someone might as well ask Ender the same question. assuming asperger's and low functioning autism are not the same thing then why do all of those in the neurodiversity crowd claim that all autism does not need to be cured instead of just saying their autism does not need to be cured but someone like John's son should be able to be cured assuming a cure were available?

Anonymous said...

Ender,

the difference between AS and LFA is the amount of mercury and other toxins that your body was unable to cope with. Everybody is different. Other health and environmental issues also come into play. It also depends on the number of vaccines and what age you got them. It depends on wether your mother is RH neg and took rhogam during the pregancy. It depends on how your family's teeth are and if they are full of mercury fillings. It depends on if there is soil contaminants in your area as well as adding vaccines into the mix.

There are historical accounts going back to the ancient Greeks and Romans of people with all kinds of ailments, genetic disorders, even arthritis. Where are the historical accounts of autism and AS? And please don't start diagnosing people yourself which ND does all the time.

There was a study published recently saying the most self diagnosed Aspies do not in fact have Asperger's so I think that also goes for those the self diagnosed are diagnosing.

BTW, make sure when you get a teaching job that you tell your employer you are autistic and queer. You would not want to hide anything you are proud of now would you.

Anonymous said...

Wow, you are a nut job!!!

LMAO!

Seriously friend, I think it's time to get back on the meds. You're not doing yourself or your supporters any good.

Ender said...

I tell my employers all the time that I have asperger's, granted its for jobs working with special needs kids (frequently with asperger's) but thats what I want to teach so...

Beyond that why does AS not have speech delay or noticeable regression tendancies. I have never heard of a parent of an aspie say that it seemed like their child regressed, even though that is a frequent complaint with autism. There are constant differences between autism and asperger's that you seem to ignore. Maybe that means they are caused by different things, what do you think? Beyond that is asperger's all that dissimiliar from the norm that you would see any reason to document it?

As for making the connection between AS and asperger's, who says I agree when anyone does that? I want the right to be who I am, and to let other kids with AS to have the same right. If you believe that LFA kids need a cure that is your right, but don't talk about things you know nothing about, cause if you connect the two and there are good things with AS then there are good things with LFA too.

Anonymous said...

"BTW, make sure when you get a teaching job that you tell your employer you are autistic and queer. You would not want to hide anything you are proud of now would you."

What? Are you saying that autistics and gay people can't be teachers? B!U!L!L!C!R!A!P!

If you have the skils, then you can still be a teacher. That's how it works in the normal, sane world that you obviously don't live in. I know loads of teachers who are terrible at teaching and are neurotypical and straight.

In fact, if your employer didn't employ you because of your disability or your sexual preference, you can sue them. Obviously, if they didn't choose you purely because of your skills or because you weren't proffesional, fine, but other than that, you can sue the fucking, prejudiced assholes.

Dude, someone needs to kill you out of mercy.

Anonymous said...

"They cannot manage in the real world which is why they need to start "

What the hell do YOU know about the real world? You don't know these people. Maybe you are missing out.

Back off.