Tuesday, April 08, 2008

Kathleen Seidel and NAMBLA

What if I had learned of one neurodiverse nitwit whose name turned up on a list of NAMBLA members? What if I wrote about this nitwit, named him, and went on to con- jure up a bunch of unrelated nonsense that made him look like a horrible person, regardless of hearing a reasonable explanation about how his name was placed on that list of the most perverted psychopaths on the planet. His name should not have been on the list but I went ahead and used that one bit of information to smear his name as much as I possibly could. That would be dishonest, wouldn't it?

Would anyone who has been defending Kathleen Seidel also defend my right to smear that person's good name, just because I had one bit of information that, by itself, would at least make people question this man's character? I wonder if I would enjoy the same support of my free speech. Would people defend me and my rights as a blogger?

So, how would that action that I did not take be any different from Seidel claiming Dr Geier was engaged in criminal activity by finding a way for autistic children to have insurance companies pay for treatment that helped them?

What if the person whose name had appeared on a list of NAMBLA members had been an undercover cop and I knowingly smeared him for simply doing his job? Would I be supported by the people who support Seidel's right to free speech? Would it not be dishonest of me to neglect to mention that that person was a police officer?

How is this different from Seidel never mentioning how children have improved after being treated with Lupron by Dr Geier? Seidel's supporters would surely support me, wouldn't they?

I may be outnumbered in this little blogging war but I am not outnumbered by ethical behavior.

28 comments:

MacGoddess said...

Hey, John, this poor guy is an unfortunate victim of disinformation:
http://www.retrieverweekly.com/?module=displaystory&story_id=3275&format=html

What's frightening is he sounds sincere when he says this:

"I always enjoy reading the ribbons that people place on the back of their car because I believe all of them are just empty gestures that serve little purpose. Around the beginning of this year, I began seeing ribbons covered with puzzles that had ‘autism’ written across it. I let out an expletive and quietly prepared myself for the upcoming autism hysteria that would ensue. I pictured it would be like Beatle’s Mania, just a lot less fun. Four months later, autism fest ‘08 is here and in full swing. CNN.com, the website where I usually go for all of my Cooper Anderson-related info, was run amuck this week with softball autism stories aimed to tug on the reader’s heartstrings and make him/her shed a tear or two. While some were heart felt and inspiring, I don’t see why this needs to be raised to level of nation concern. Not to belittle the mental disease, but it is not an issue of life or death and people with autism can live long and relatively normal lives. On several of the videos CNN.com sponsored, the kids suffering from autism seemed like your typical youngster. Maybe I am not seeing the dark side of autism, but to me it appears to be just a social illness and less of a crippling pandemic."

First, he calls Autism a mental disease, which is not surprising considering the way the media has presented and continues to present autism to the general public. But if he's watching CNN, I guess we know who else he's been listening to.

Anonymous said...

why are you telling John this?

Foresam said...

Macgoddess, The kid who wrote it is still a student. He hasn't learned anything yet.

Ettina said...

I really don't see the comparison between alleging someone is part of a pedophile organization and not mentioning that some people came a doctor's unproven techniques helped.
Firstly, there is the difference between saying something false and not saying something - ommision is not libel. If everything you say is true, it is not libel, even if you leave out important things.
Secondly, Dr Geier helping people is not established as a fact. It is simply anecdotal statements by various people. There is no proof he did anything to help any autistic kids, because no study has looked at what proportion of kids he treated gain certain skills as opposed to untreated autistics.
Thirdly, whether or not his treatment helps people is irrelevant to the issue of whether he should describe autistics as soulless. Whether or not he's actually helped any autistic kid, he's clearly harming them by his hate speech.

Foresam said...

Ettina,
In the case of Seidel and Dr Geier, it's my opinion that omission is very much libel, considering everything else she said against this great man.

Can you show me an incedence of Dr Geier using hate speech? I'm accused of that all the time by neuronitwits but it isn't true of me either.

Anonymous said...

Kathleen also wrote a piece of crap where she insinuated that all the parents in the omnibus were in cahoots with the lawyers and docs and making up evidence. Maybe someone will start a class action against her for accusing them of falsifying evidence in a court proceeding. Now that would be justice!

Anonymous said...

Haven't had time to post or read on here lately. Check this out Foresam and anyone interested in protesting the poisons in our vaccines. It's an event being planned by Jenny McCarthy and Jim Carrey:
http://www.myspace.com/cleanvaccine

By the way, email me and send me a link to your Myspace page Foresam. If you don't have one you should, it's a great way to share links, videos and news.

Peace,
Maxima

Foresam said...

I must have missed Kathleen calling parents liars. What a dirtbag.

Thanks for the rally info, Maxima. I hope I can attend.

Anonymous said...

Hate Speech: Bigoted speech attacking or disparaging a social or ethnic group or a member of such a group.

http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/hate%20speech

You insult whole groups of people all the time, how the hell are you not guilty of hate speech?

Foresam said...

Anon,
I do insult people who try to state that autism should not be cured. Just because there are more than one of these insane people doesn't mean that they have any status as a social or ethnic group. The only such status they might lay claim to is "crazy".

If their insanity affects my autistic son, it is in my son's best interests that I expose their feeble attempts at legitimacy for the insanity that it is. That is not hate speech. It's simply exposing insane behavior.

Anonymous said...

Actually you are defining social group much too strictly. For example people with asperger's would define a social group. And you have insulted them many times before, if in no other way then by saying there is nothing good about asperger's syndrome (despite the ability of some AS kids to do what no NT kids can do). I find that pretty insulting.

Foresam said...

Anon,
Nitwits with Asperger's are constantly trying to confuse autism and aspergers. Asperger's is brain damage and it should be cured.

These people are mental patients. Nobody listens to mental patients, they just try to help them. Since refusing to be helped when one is a mental patient is not rational, we can safely ignore it when a mental patient claims I hate them.

Anonymous said...

What do you know about Asperger's. Your son has LFA, which is nothing like Asperger's. It seems that you are the one trying to confuse the two :).

How can brain damage result in people being able to do things that people without the brain damage can't do anyway? That seems illogical to me, you will have to explain. And if you say no AS kids have been able to do anything that non-AS kids can never do I will have to point out your lie.

Foresam said...

If people with aspergers were not mentally ill, there would not be a name and an entry in the DSM to describe their mental illness. Of course, this is difficult for an aspie to comprehend since they are mentally ill. People who are not diagnosed with a mental illness don't have a problem with this.

Anonymous said...

You, however, are perfectly fine.

Anonymous said...

Okay then, how does mental illness enable to do one to do what one without the mental illness can't do?

Anonymous said...

The only reason Aspies insist that they can do things NTs cannot do is because Aspies keep diagnosing perfectly sane people like Einstein and Edison with Asperger's after they are dead. There are no more genius Aspies than there are geniuses in the general population. The difference is that an NT genius can usually tie their shoes and not wet their pants whereas Aspie geniuses cannot.

Anonymous said...

"it's my opinion that omission is very much libel"

That would make you

1) Wrong, from a legal perspective, and

B) Pretty damned stupid.

Foresam said...

Anonymous,
So then you think I could write about someone being a NAMBLA member just because their name was on a list, even though I knew the whole thing was bogus?

TheProbe said...

We both take this matter very seriously, and strongly oppose any effort to subpoena the records of Ms. Kathleen Seidel. We have also clearly expressed our feelings to Mr. Shoemaker. While we may not agree with her opinions, we consider Ms. Seidel to be a colleague. Rights to privacy, and to free speech as guaranteed by the First Amendment, must be upheld for all. We urge Mr. Shoemaker to reconsider, and drop this action against Ms. Seidel.

David Kirby
Dan Olmsted

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2008/04/david_kirby_and_dan_olmsted_respond_rega.php

Foresam said...

Probe,
It's hard to believe that any sane person could consider Seidel a colleague. As I stated on Orac's blog, they might not fully understand Neuroinsanity.

I'll have more to say about this later.

Anonymous said...

what does "Nambla" stand for again?

"North American Man/Boy Love Association"?

As far as I am concerned what Seidel is associated with something every bit as nasty and loathsome.

They may or may not put their hands on people when they do what they do, but Neurodiversity with its autism 'lifestyle' obsessive fetishist behavior and goals at keeping autistics as severely disabled as is possible combined with their blatant unblinking victimization of persons disabled by autism is every bit disqusting and every bit as much a crime and a taking advantage of a group of people, whether they are sometimes children sometimes not, its their disability that makes them targets for this evil group and in every way what they do molests rapes and exploits persons with autism.

99% of them are twisted fetishists who indeed very much 'get off' on the idea of autism and I have long held a deep core gut feeling that they hungrily read every word ever written about autism, pass themselves off as 'autistic' as much as is possible and so help me they get online and 'admire' those with autism in images and videos in a very sick and sexual way.

Its why they have their little so called 'culture' of autism, not a bit unlike those who excuse and justify other sexual deviant behaviors, develop entire communities and roleplaying around their deviation that goes with it and justifies it to themselves.

Seriously.

Tell me that Baggs and Tisconcik don't share a mutual twisted 'love of autism' -- its why they and their minions scour the 'net all their waking hours and prattle on endlessly about it, they're getting off on it.

Seidel and her crew couldn't do any worse if they were associated with "Nambla"

Ultimately I don't see a difference between it and "neurodiversity" at all.

Anonymous said...

To the anon above, very well said and so true. Autism is nothing more than the latest fetish to many people, and those obsessed with it are the high functioning aspergers types (if they even have Asperger's at all) Instead of looking for ways to improve their behaviours they revel in them, copy each other and can't wait to tell everyone they meet that they are autistic. Go on Youtube and look at the idiots at Autcom bragging about being autistic. It makes me sick.

Anonymous said...

Dear Worst:

I know it is hard for you to understand sane people. You never will. Please see Dr. Kevorkian for a treatment.

Anonymous said...

http://meganmcardle.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/03/correlation_causation_vaccinat.php [

Interesting article

Anonymous said...

"If their insanity affects my autistic son, it is in my son's best interests that I expose their feeble attempts at legitimacy for the insanity that it is. That is not hate speech. It's simply exposing insane behavior."

Explain exactly how insanity affects your son please.

Anonymous said...

Can we sue for your records too? I mean you might be getting money from doctors that perform chelation sessions. Sounds just as likely.

Anonymous said...

anon above,

Stupid, pointless, irrelevnt and typical ND. JB uses Culter's methods and you can buy ALA over the counter and do it at home.

It's going to be great watching the ND core crumble and the
floundering of all the aspies. If they have any caring parents they might try some biomed to help the kids out. Just some vitamins, sunshine and exercise would do wonders for all the greasy, flabby, computer-addicted aspies.