Thursday, June 25, 2009

Debunking Neurodiversity and Ari Ne'eman

Neurodiversity is a concept that began as a positive approach to equalizing treatment for people with disabilities. It was intended to raise consciousness, promote positive self-images and to change public opinion about the way disabled people are viewed. When it started, this included high functioning people who allegedly had autism and Asperger's. It was quickly perverted into a massive propaganda campaign to abuse autistic children by preventing them from being cured.

Judy Singer, the woman who coined the term "Neurodiversity" now has a site called ASPAR that is dedicated to helping the children of people with Asperger's overcome the craziness that the kids had to put up with from their brain damaged parents. Singer recognized the insanity inherent to Neurodiversity and noted how they "must consider how we can contain anti-social behaviours that endanger others, while safeguarding civil liberties for all." This is the part of the autism spectrum that Neurodiversity tries to deny which enumerates the blatant dishonesty by which they pervert the truth about autism.

Before Singer's book was published, Harvey Blume stole the term "Neurodiversity" and connected it with a lesbian fraud named Laura Tisoncik who told us of her intent to defraud the public with statements like this: "The site gives geeks space to emerge from the neurological closet and declare themselves to be high-functioning autistic (HFA) as opposed to neurologically typical (NT)." We see that she was advocating for weirdos to mislabel themselves as "autistic" and incorporate this into the gay pride idiocy. If you check the link in this article to Tisoncik's ISNT site, it connects you to an X-rated site for lesbian pornography.

Tisoncik wrote this shortly before her alleged lesbian lover, Amanda Baggs, arranged the bogus diagnosis of autism for herself. We saw Baggs, with her plethora of dishonest videos, and abetted by Sanjay Gupta on CNN, become the spokesmodel for Neurodiversity where she achieved fame for herself by promoting a despicably dishonest portrayal of what autism was all about. We also had a video of Tisoncik that showed her to be clearly, nothing but an obese, lazy liar who had found a way to cheat the system with her own bogus diagnosis of an autism spectrum disorder. The video has since been removed from Youtube sometime amidst Tisoncik's dishonest attempt to have this blog deleted for telling the truth about these two con artists.

There were other phonies who tried to cash in on this concept by writing bogus books about autism. These included Jim Sinclair, a pseudo-hermaphrodite who was assuredly messed up mentally from his inherent gender identity crisis and Donna Williams who had been abused as a child and became a mental mess. Neither of these people were autistic but they were so mentally deranged that nobody knew the difference, or cared. I don't believe they wrote with evil intentions to abuse autistic children but their books were hijacked by propaganda experts who used them as part of a plan to corrupt the truth about autism.

This process started in 1999, the same year we learned that thimerosal was the cause of the autism epidemic. There were some crazies and malcontents involved then along with the planners for what was to follow. In 2001, Frank Klein began to set the stage for the all out propaganda war that was let loose on the high functioning victims of mercury poisoning from vaccines. This was the planned brainwashing that kidnapped youths with minimally damaged brains and conned them into becoming advocates against themselves.

2004 was the onset of the mass blogging and infestation of the internet with the mind controlled victims who touted the nonsense that autism was just a different way of thinking. The minimally brain damaged teenagers who are now young adults embraced this "just a difference" propaganda because they had never experienced normalcy and had no reference point to help them comprehend the truth. The Aspies who had lived a life of solitude, by virtue of their condition whereby most of them could not form friendships, began to find acceptance on the internet amongst others with similar brain damage. They looked up to phony role models like Amanda Baggs who had fried her brain with LSD and other bogus "autistics" who had diagnosed themselves to give themselves credibility to "sell" their propaganda.

At this point, they had Frank Klein and his Autism Advocacy group as the root of the propaganda. Frank and his 159 IQ arranged a diagnosis of Asperger's for himself at age 30 and shortly had it switched to autism. This gave him the credibility he needed to corrupt public opinion about autism while obfuscating the difference between Asperger's and autism, a vital tool in this propaganda effort.

Frank was the man who started all of the nonsense that said curing autism was akin to killing the autistic person. He had started his AutAdvo Yahoo group in 2003. This was shortly after people began announcing that they had cured autistic children for the first time in history. Frank taught his rhetoric to a couple hundred mentally challenged people who joined his cult and gave them the tools they needed to sound legitimate to a public who was largely ignorant about autism.

In 2004, Kathleen Seidel started her Neuroinsanity site and was shortly followed by Kevin Leitch with his childish blog that failed at trying to defend thimerosal as the cause of autism and Autism Diva with her loopy logic that pretended to have a command of science. These were the first liars to go public after Frank had trained them in the art of deception.

During this training period for what is now a variation of the original concept of Neurodiversity, a group who was funded by the Pharmaceutical industry named Quackbusters dealt themselves into the fray. They were led by an incompetent doctor who couldn't pass his exams named Stephen Barrett and opposed the treatment that cured autism based on the lies from another incompetent doctor named Jim Laidler who was too inept to follow the proper procedure to cure his own autistic child.

This led to an association with a sadistic librarian who was linked to Quackbusters named Kathleen Seidel who wrote flowery rhetoric describing autism as the apparent next step in evolution whereby all genuises emerged. Following Seidel's logic would lead one to believe that every invention known to mankind must have come from an autistic genuis since no mere mortal had the brains to create anything useful. Seidel didn't bother to point out that most autistic people are too brain damaged to learn how to use a toilet, speak, read, write or dress themselves. She then embarked on a crusade of character assassination against anyone who played a role in curing autistic children, making incredible claims against scientists who discovered how to cure this nightmare. She also attacked parents who promoted this information to help cure disabled children and painted them as fools who had fallen prey to con artists. The cured children showed us that all of Seidel's carefully chosen words were lies.

A couple of other links to Quackbusters emerged amongst the Neurodiverse bloggers in one severely crazed old woman named Camille Clark who used the alias "Autism Diva" and a scientist named J Ken Wickiser who blogged under the name Bartholemew Cubbins. These two jackasses knew enough about slinging around scientific terms that they had some success in making the neurodiverse nonsense sound plausible. As with Seidel though, virtually every word they wrote was contrived to deny the truth of the matter about how thimerosal in vaccines had caused the autism epidemic. Nothing they said was true but it sounded good to the minimally brain damaged people with Asperger's who followed them and used their arguments to promote the dishonesty.

With the pseudoscientific words from the Quackbuster associates and other criminally insane doctors like David Gorski (Orac) to build scientific arguments on, Frank Klein set about the task of misconstruing all of the facts about autism and perverting them so that the insanity that came out of the mouths of high functioning people with Asperger's would be uttered as though they came from people who actually had autism. (Keep in mind that hardly anyone with autism can speak...or use a keyboard. That's why the thought of Facilitated Communication for autistic people had always been looked upon as being fraudulent. It was well known that many autistic people were mentally retarded and much worse off than anyone with Downs Syndrome.)

Frank wrote essays in which he referred to himself as autistic and talked about how much he loved his life and would reject a cure if it had been offered to him. He also blurred that distinction between low functioning autism and Asperger's Syndrome masterfully, fully demostrating his 159 IQ when it came to writing devious propaganda that would fool lots of people. His inane arguments analogizing skin color as being similar to the brain damage inherent to autism as reasons to avoid curing autism are widely used by the young Aspies who don't even know who Frank is. His words live on and, since the majority of the public is not college educated nor do they possess a 159 IQ, a lot of Frank's nonsense is believed.

Another site that sprung up in 2004 was Wrong Planet. The owner, Alex Plank, appears to have nothing wrong with himself but apparently has a diagnosis of Asperger's. Plank and his girlfriend, Katie Miller, both refer to themselves as "autistic" even though they have diagnoses of Asperger's and are firmly entrenched in the plot to oppose curing autism with their constant support of the lies by the CDC that claim thimerosal does not cause autism.

I tried to discuss methods that have proven to cure autism on Wrong Planet last year and was thrown off the site by Plank. This young deviant goes to great lengths to misrepresent the truth about autism to the detriment of actual autistic people who want to improve their conditions. He also throws autistic people off the site if they seek a cure for themselves. I sat in a chatroom last summer that was connected to an autism conference that barred some autistic people who sought cures. There I watched Plank and Ari Ne'eman discussing plans for how they would use the same tactics as gays had used to foist their disingenuous agenda on the general public to misrepresent the truth about autism.

Here is the letter that was sent to one autistic person who wanted to attend this conference:
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 19:25:30 -0400
> From: Jim Sinclair
> To: (Name removed)
> Subject: Re: , Autreat, Housing, Total Costs, Reqesting Original Concerns Be Addre
> CC: (name removed)
> (name removed),
> It is the decision of the Autreat Planning Committee that your
> attendance at Autreat would constitute an unacceptable threat to other
> attendees' peaceful enjoyment of Autreat. Therefore, I regret to have
> to inform you that you will not be permitted to register.
> This decision has nothing whatsoever to do with Amanda, or Kathleen,
> Kassiane, Camille, or any other person with whom you may be in
> conflict. I don't even know for sure if any of those people are going
> to attend Autreat this year. Even if we knew for sure that none of
> them would be there, we would still consider your attendance to
> present an unacceptable threat to the peaceful enjoyment of the event.
> This decision has been made on the basis of your extensive history of
> extremely disruptive and aggressive behavior which we were able to
> find on many public blog posts. Based on your own writings, we are
> concerned about the safety of other people at Autreat in the event you
> should attend and become angry with someone or something.
> This decision by the Autreat Planning Committee is final.
> Jim Sinclair
> Coordinator, Autism Network International
> Cc: Autreat Planning Committee

So, we see that Jim Sinclair, a phoney autistic, ran an autism conference that denied admission to a legitimately autistic person because she was opposed to the way autism was being misrepresented by the sadistic Seidel and Autism Diva (Camille)and two other frauds, Baggs and Kassiane Sibley. The five foot tall woman in her forties who this was addressed to could not be seriously taken as a threat to anyone so we see that Sinclair has no qualms at all with lying to support his dishonest agenda.

In January of 2006, when Ari Ne'eman was still a high school student, and shortly after Frank Klein's radio interview linked above, Ari was featured on Kathlen Seidel's Neurodiversity blog. Ne'eman was adept then at blurring the distinction between autism and Asperger's and calling a cure for autism "morally reprehensible". You can see Frank Klein's disingenuous philosophy throughout everything that a young Ne'eman had to say here, right down to the garbage about comparing struggles connected to autism with Civil Rights. Of course, autistic people have no clue what civil rights are all about because they can't read.

So, even as a high school kid, Ne'eman had been trained to say that curing autistics and giving them the ability to read was "morally reprehensible". How does this make any sense? It only makes sense when one can disingenuously merge that distinction between autism and Asperger's to make it appear that all people on the wildly variant autism spectrum are similar in capabilities. We know that this is completely false when we watch our autistic children smearing feces and biting themselves, the exact same behavior we observe in adult autistics who have been institutionalized. Yet, here we had a high school student who had been so well trained in presenting evil propaganda that he was writing dishonest rhetoric to deny the existemnce of these true autistics whose brains had been so horribly mangled by thimerosal. This blatant dishonesty is the glue that permeates Neurodiversity and is the basis for finding the lies in every word they write.

Here is a video of autism. Ari Ne'eman was never like this, not by any stretch of the imagination. Ne'eman does not want anyone to cure the boy in the video and that is why he misrepresents himself as the face of autism. To understand Neurodiversity, you have to ask yourself why anyone would not want that child to be cured. You have to keep in mind that Neurodiversity fully supports every vaccine known to mankind and favors injecting mercury and aluminum into fetuses and people.

Let's look at the catch phrases from Neurodiversity that are all based on this dishonesty:
1. Nothing about us without us.
This is used to mistakenly identify people with alleged high functioning Asperger's who have no evidence of any diminished mental capacity and pawn themselves off as being equally mentally disadvantaged as autistic people who can never learn to read. This is planned propaganda that, as we saw with Ne'eman, was taught to him at a very young age. No sane person can reach the conclusion that any low functioning person with autism is included in the word "us" as used by Ne'eman and other psychopaths.

2. Inclusion
This is the buzz word that is used to deny autistic children a useful education. Children who spin around in circles all day, smear feces and bash their heads through walls simply do not belong in a classroom with normal kids. There is no way anyone can be educated with kids like this in a classroom. They have to be separated.

When Neurodiversity pushes for inclusion of autistic kids, they are actually excluding autistic kids from any consideration. Including Aspies is a different matter but that problem is perverted by this obfuscatory language that promotes a better education for Aspies who are mistakenly identified as autistic. Thus, the kids who really have autism are excluded entirely since nobody who has ever met an autistic child would ever consider placing him in a class with normal kids.

So, this advocacy may help kids with Asperger's gain a better education but, by virtue of blurring that difference, it essentially asks to take funds away from children with true autism because this "advocacy" demands absolutely nothing for those children who need it the most. This "advocacy" denies their existence.

3. Differently Abled
This term is pure nonsense but with enough victims making these statements, it serves a useful purpose for the Neurodiversity propaganda machine. Since Neurodiversity has brainwashed the youths into believing that they are born with Asperger's, using them to promote this stupidity themselves convinces the unknowing public that they should accept that some people are just different. This is a key part of the plan to help Pharma deny that they caused the problem with thimerosal. They had to brainwash the children into thinking that it was some sort of insult to suggest that they were poisoned and suffered some brain damage. Nobody wants to think of themselves as brain damaged. The term has been a long used insult towards anyone who commits an act of stupidity and is frequently hurled about in a joking manner.

Now, it's no joke. We have thousands of these young people who suffer from a diminished mental capacity thanks to being injected with thimerosal as soon as they were born. They have been ostracized from peer groups their entire lives and eagerly jumped on the bandwagon that gave them this delusional appraisal of their condition. "Differently abled" indeed. Aspies have all sorts of problems socially and academically. They have been sold this bill of goods that tells them to celebrate being different, that people with Asperger's are generally much more intelligent then the rest of us. Yet, they can't accept the facts about how thimerosal kills brain cells and made them all social misfits. Who would accept those lies besides people who just didn't have the mental capacity to see through them? It's a sad state of affairs.

Normal people can't make these Aspies see the illogic in their arguments because Neurodiversity has played on their emotions to brainwash them. We can cure them a lot more easily than we can cure the severely autistic children who Ari Ne'eman denies exist but they cling to this deranged ideology of Frank Klein's that tells them to celebrate being "different", in other words...celebrate having brain damage. The con job was truly masterful. Great job, Frank.

4. Autism is not a disease.
True, it isn't. It's not contagious. It's not caused by some virus. Neurodiversity lies to us here by telling us the truth. They use the lie of omission for this one. Autism is a condition...the condition of mercury poisoning. Neurodiversity would have us believe it is genetic but they know that isn't true so they use a deceptive lie to sidestep the truth while not engaging in a direct lie. It's supposed to make them seem more honest. It's the same tactic they use in asking for inclusion with education where they deny that autism exists.

5. Autistic Pride
This is patently ridiculous. Frank Klein and Ari Ne'eman can take their high IQ's and education and be proud of themselves for what they have achieved...running an excellent con job on the general public and brainwashing less intelligent people with Asperger's Syndrome into assisting them with the scam. Autistic adults who reside in asylums and who can't speak or communicate in any manner certainly are not proud of living in a custodial care situation where they have to be bathed, fed and toileted by caretakers. Autistic children who bite themselves and bash their heads through walls are also not running around declaring that they take pride in their autism.

Does anyone wonder why these people with Asperger's don't arrange a day that is called Asperger's Pride Day? Wouldn't that make more sense? If they truly wanted to call attention to the "geek syndrome" type of Asperger's to oppose the bullying and cruel jokes that are played on "geeks", "nerds" or social incompetents, why would they corrupt the meaning of the term they allegedly want respect for by giving the false impression via the term "autism" that they are liable to reach into their diapers and smear feces on people in the office cubicle mext to them? It simply makes no sense for these people to demand acceptance and respect for a condition that they do not have.

The only valid conclusion that can be reached here is that all of this misrepresentation is intentional. All of the "joy of autism" nonsense, demands for respect, acceptance and inclusion are insane when one considers the mentally retarded people with autism who can't function on any level or in any manner resmbling human behavior.

What's worse is having the knowledge that an ever increasing number of those seemingly mentally retarded autistic people have now been cured and are functioning normally or close to it and denying that this miracle has been achieved.

6. Opposition to Electric Shock
Neurodiversity is violently opposed to the Judge Rottenberg Center where electric shocks are used to try to eliminate self abusive behaviors in the worst cases of autism. They offer no solution whatsoever for the people whose behavior is improved by the shocks as this fits in with their agenda to oppose all cures. Granted, using shocks on people who might not be able to comprehend why they are being shocked can rightfully be seen as cruel and abusive. However, when that opposition also refuses to call for supporting humane methods that do cure autism and are a valid argument for closing this place, Neurodiversity tacitly supports the JRC since there is no other place that will take these people in and treat them with anything besides drugging them into oblivion and restraining them forcefully.

So, the argument against JRC is just another disingenuous piece of propaganda that is supported by the misrepresentation of what autism is. When we see Ari Ne'eman and Amanda Baggs speaking intelligently whilst calling themselves autistic, it leads people to believe that shocking autistic people is certainly abusive if they believe that Baggs and Ne'eman are representative of the people who are being shocked. Since these two liars have absolutely nothing in common with those severely disabled people, one should be able to understand the problem they create when they mislabel themselves intentionally.

Since Neurodiversity offers no solution to this problem of shocking people, we can assume that they would pleased if they were all set free so they could wonder into traffic and die. That's Neurodiverse logic.


Stephanie Lynn Keil said...

ND's answer to many of these problems is facilitated communication. I've read many stories about kids with LFA being included in regular classrooms doing regular work -- through FC. And everyone makes sure that no one can prove that the autistic child is doing the work.

Anonymous said...

Report on the Amanda Baggs fraud controversy:

Roger Kulp said...

A few random questions and observations:

1)I had never read anything by Singer, until a couple of months ago,when I did some Googling,based un someting Johnathan Mitchell had written.That led me to this page:

Where Singer claims Hitler and other Nazi leaders were really autistic.

2)Do you have inside information about how either Amanda Baggs or Ari Ne'eman arranged their autism diagnosis ? Enquiring minds would love to know.

3)I was dropped from the ASAN email list after I began posting over at Age of Autism.I have been chased away from Wrong Planet,and Aspies For Freedom after asking about who had serious medical problems associated with their autism,or how they,as adults,dealed with issues like head banging,or eloping.

They said I was intentionally portraying autism as worse than it was,to scare them into wanting a cure.

I don't think there is a single anti ND autistic who has not not tangled with Ne'eman,and his buddy Kevin Leitch online.I'm so polite, that I have not been banned from lb/rb that I know of.I just stay away because it's so frustrating, and I know what they are going to say.They have a predictable group of responses to everything.

4)Age of Autism is one of the few places that will freely admit autism can exist as an integral part of a complex medical syndrome,and that idea is now being picked up by places like Massachusetts General,and Harvard University.

ND could not exist without a definition of autism based on the tired old "triad of impairment" model.Look at the Frank Klein essay you link to.Forget bowel disease. Forget mitochondrial myopathies.To him being nonverbal,retardation and learning disabilities,sensory issues,self abuse,and eloping,all are "comorbid conditions" unrelated to autism."Cure 'comorbidities' not autism" is the cry of ND.

5)There may be a lot of misconceptions about Asperger's ,and those who have it.The perception is everybody who has Asperger's is a neurodiversity ideologue,who may or may not be self-diagnosed,and has no medical problems that contribute to their condition.If this is wrong,then I blame those with AS for not getting the word out otherwise.

6)There are genuine autistics who are barely verbal in real life,but have advanced nonverbal communication skills.I happen to be one.

Foresam said...

Yup, Leitch and his pals have a stupid answer for everything and they back up each others stupidity. Intelligent rebuttals are lost in the morass of idiocy.

Baggs' mother went searching for doctors to change her dx from schizo to autism and Baggs has put the dx that's written on a prescription pad on her blog.

Wacko Planet and AFF routinely throw out anyone who favors a cure. The funny thing is that whenever I meet Alex Plank someplace, he always hides from me. He's afraid to talk to me because he's knows that he can't lie when I'm around. The same goes for the rest of them. None of them will have any sort of discussion unless they control the forum and can delete the truth.

It was fummy hearing Ne'eman's voice quivering when I called a radio show he was on. He sounds pretty good until someone challenges him. Then he just falls apart.

I'm sure the majority of people with AS see Neuroinsanity as a bunch of jerks. The problem is that there are a lot of people who have now been conned into believing neuronitwits.

Powered_by_Starbucks said...


What I cannot understand is how the so-called educated MDs over on the scienceblogs can lap up what Leitch and his ilk say.

The medical community says that vaccines do not cause autism. They even get all pissy and bent out of shape if you bring up the environment and not genetics without saying the word "vaccine". Yet they claim to want to find the "real causes" and the "real cures" for autism.

Umm, no they don't, not when popular medical blogs are permeated with the scum from ND. Why, if these so-called doctors and scientists want to find a cure for autism would they let ND ideologues practically rule the comments section of their blogs?

I can figure this out. Why can no one else?

jonathan said...

Roger: I was banned from Wrong Planet also. They just want to censor anyone who does not agree with their absolutely deranged viewpoint about autism.

Jon Mitchell

sylar said...

LOL, this is facinating isnt it?, neuro typicals always love to ground anything thats the slightest bit different into the dirt to keeps thier race pure, hut heres the sad truth, its changing, and theres nothing you can do to stop it. accept and adapt

Foresam said...

Sylar(Simpleton, young, loopy and retarded),
This is about fraud but you're obviously not bright enough to see that.

Droopy said...

hey sylar,

I have NO problem with "differences" -- would you like to know what I have a problem with?

having a wannabe REPLICA of me sitting up in Burlington Vermont who'd love nothing more than and has made a lifestyle and a career and quite a bit of fame and fortune for herself out of trying to be JUST LIKE ME -- and doing it so she can stand in as the phonely token LFA that she is for Neurodiversity, lie her ass off about how allegedly cherry and great and sweet it is to be *Autistic*

Ari Ne'ermen and Amanda Baggs are the best of buddies and althought Air hasn't sunk so far (yet!) to decide to join Baggs' "sudden nearly middle-aged onset of regressive server auti9sm" and is decent enough to use the voice and capabilities to speak the same bullshit (I'll give him that much) its STILL BULLSHIT and from people who are not only NOT AUTISTIC but have gone out of their ways to hassle silence and bully to silences and use propoganda to persuae parents to ensure to KEEP the REST of us SILENT

THIS, as was pointed out to you a bove, is FRAUD

and and I'm NOT "non-Autistic" (I avoid the Neurodiversity jargon genrated bullshit phrases like "neurodiverse -- especilally when people like Ari and my constructed personal bookedn Amanda Baggs go out of their way to keep anyone who actually HAS a "Neurodiversity" such as AUTISM let along a DIFFERENT POINT OF VIEW suppresed and kept out of sight, kept from any of their gatherings or 'hubs' or any of there other "reindeer games")

I AM Autistic (and I don't mean that lame "on a technicality calling Asperger's Autistic just cause its called a spectr4um and just cause I can" bullshitter's routine I mean AUTISTIC)

so, is that 'fascinating" enough for yo, hmm?

If not, maybe the fact that comments just like this, my use of words like "bullshit' on posts just like this are the stated 'reason' I've been denied entry to autcom and autreat.. of course its not because Baggs might be there and my mere presence anywhere about the place might 'cramp her style' and 'inhibit' her act, or God forbid, cause her a pang of actual CONSCIENCE should she realize then that this time she has not just stolen from another movie or fictional book but a real live life and blood person.

Droopy said...

came back to this thread, this time around observed that a good portion of posters in this thread are identified as 'on the specrtrum'

-- so who the hell is "Sylar" even talking to?

Another observation (which invariably whenever I see or think about this sort of thing cues the following for my mind):

"All of the other reindeer used-to-laugh'n'call-him names.. they never let poor Rudolph.. join in any reindeer games.."

Greetings, fellow Rudolphs.

I too have been banned from "Wrong Planet," "AspiesForFreedom," told "not to even bother" at the "Autism Hub," likewise forbid attendance at both Autcom and Autreat, banned from just about every "Autism" related IRC chat I've ever been.

Add 'failed so badly that we even had to come up with a replica/replacement for you" and you have (most of) my "Rudolph Resume."

Mine goes all the way back to 1994/95 when it was really just a small handful of malcontents on an IRC server or two who badgered the equally small handful of parents who also attended, well before before they had coined a name for themselves.

We're growing in our numbers -- I know of quite a few others not seen here.

They often contact me quietly in 'whispers' or private messages wherever they find me, usually just to to let me know they are there, whats happened to them too, that they know whats going on, and to offer words of support, hope, and give me a little more strength, and it helps.

Droopy said...

Something that appears to be about politics and (interestingly some 'Aspies" like "Socrates" who sometimes trolls this blog) seem to be mad at Attwood for suggesting something like living with these "Aspies" is less than perfection, but little to nothing to do with Autism, but its Tony Attwood and Donna Williams going at it (about 90 mph and sounding like EveryCaseWorker & EveryProfessional at any sort of 'meeting' at which I have ever been -- you know, when the 'time to talk to/about/include the client' is over and they're done with me, or they simply 'forget themselves' right in the middle of the meeting) and they sort of exhale, and get rocking and rolling just like this).

I left a couple of comments for the two of them.

I suppose my characteristic honest appraisals and not being duly impressed is not going to go over well.

The only famous people of any sort are truly famous people, famous for honest work and legitimate reasons who are the only ones liable to put me into any sort of 'shock and awe' are the remaining members of the Beatles (This from experience, from having stood about 3 feet from Sir Paul. Yes, I was shocked and awed, too much so to go up to him and meet him, something which I somewhat regret now)

Attwood even made a Beatles' reference which was was awfully .. big of him to feel he needed to remind himself and Donna of the differences between themselves and The Fab Four.

I informed Attwood that he needn't ever worry, that the Beatles are stratospherically 'bigger' and more amazing then Autism, Aspergers, or himself could ever hope to be.

I also explained how laughing *with* vs laughing *at* actually works (funny I'd have to actually explain this to a guy like him, I always find it funny whenever I, a person with autism, have to explain social skills to somebody else, especially since its generally always somebody who's not Autistic).

My full comments are over there, if she allowed them. I was polite but I was blunt, I observed and pointed out Donna's excessive victim themes that ran throughout the whole thing.

I did tell Donna that shopping list of Dx's and all, I don't care, she's not "autistic enough" for me. I also did this politely but clearly.

I didn't tell Donna that specifically Donna's chirpy excessively typical social female voice and manner, rapid speech and high pitched laughter in particular were extremely hard to listen to and hear. That wouldn't have been polite. She is the sort of person I cringe to have seated near me at restaurants. They always come in as a pack of them just like her, laughing rapid and loud. I always feel exhausted and overwhelmed after having to be around people like that for any length of time. I should have listened to the recording a second or more times to try to catch what I couldn't the first, but her voice is one of several reasons why I won't.

Sick of Ari said...

Eye opening and enough to say that Ari and his crowd of naysayers that only want to stand in the way of our children being treated, want to back the PHARMA, want to use the civil rights platform of Judy, Laura, and the others that have done nothing to help and everything to harm is all VERY VERY APPARENT. Backing ASAN and their lying ways under the auspice that they can actually help anyone was a huge mistake that can only be corrected and not taken back. Support for that group is hereby cutoff and the support for those that have done this research, specifically John, is in place. These people could care less about our kids and only care about their agenda of promoting themselves as something they are not. They have no inkling of an idea of what it is like for parents to exhaust all funds, mortgage homes, and use every ounce of energy to attempt to cure their child to be indistinguishable amongst peers. The harm has been done and cure can only occur by curing the basis of the problem, this will never happen with those like Ari, Judy, Laura, and their followers including Baggs, Sinclair who makes me want to vomit, Siedel , and the huge crowd that all came about with the inception of the backing of PHARMA. Obviously they are all tied together in a sickening attempt to stop real advocacy and to replace it with advocacy for PHARMA and being pro vaccination which in itself makes a statement all it's own. I have yet to see Ari take in a shot of pure thimerosal to prove how safe it is. Maybe that would cure us of this attack on the reality. Let all of these fools suck on some aluminum along with mercury as a backer and don't forget formaldehyde.
They all make me sick. I must warn all that these people will do anything to attempt to suck you into their ring of pure garbage and then attack you when you speak out against vaccinations.
It would be interesting to see how much they've all been paid.

Amanda said...

I actually agree with your sentiment to some extent (but not how you've expressed it).

Aspergers and Autism are two very different conditions. Unfortunately they are both diverse conditions and there appears to be some overlap in symptoms so there is difficulty and confusion in diagnosis. HF Aspergers advocacy can be misinterpreted as anti-treatment. Anti-treatment is fine for Aspergers, but NOT Austism, which needs Behavioural therapy and potentially biological therapy if a cause is ever found.

There is danger in misinterpreting Aspergers advocacy to mean anti-treatment, which I think is what you are upset about people doing. But who in their right mind would extrapolate that HF Aspergers advocacy is synonymous with an anti-treatment stance toward low functioning Autism? No intelligent person would draw that conclusion.

Foresam said...

Asperger's advocacy is anti-treatment propaganda by virtue of the fact that these people refer to themselves as autistic. They aren't. End of story.

Amanda said...

I agree with you that Asperger's isn't Austism. I have met people with high functioning Asperger's diagnoses and just because they don't need help (medical or otherwise) you're absolutely right in expressing the fact that that doesn't mean children with Autism don't need proper funding and care.

Weird said...

Why does Neurodiversity only seem to be composed of homosexuals and mostly Jewish people?

Health Matters said...

Did you ever see Lorenzo's Oil, this reminds me of the mother who would not treat her child. I have several friends with autistic children that are uses a super food and some minerals and are having phenomenal results if you want information let me know. Can't believe the stir you are creating. The numbers are not that high so what are the haters of light trying for.

Cachinscythe said...

Wow...there is so much blatantly biased bullshit in this blog that I don't even know where to start.

It's called "autism spectrum disorder" now for a reason. It's not because a bunch of lunatics put out endless propoganda trying to claim Asperger's and autism were the same; it's because the symptoms of autism and Asperger's are all over the place. Some have certain difficulties, and others don't. After years of research, the DSM concluded that there was no clear diagnosis for what exactly the condition of Asperger's and autism constituted, that diagnosis had as much to do with psychological opinions and locations as symptoms. So they re-classified it as a spectrum to include everyone under the umbrella. That's all.

I'm a member of the neurodiversity movement and I do NOT advocate that people with severe autism should not receive legitimate help with their condition. What you describe as normal autism--allegedly hijacked by people who are "completely normal"--is an insulting depiction of people with the most extreme forms of the condition. Here's a more ACCURATE depiction of the stance: if your behavior as a consequence of a condition results in DIRECT PHYSICAL HARM to yourself--such as your claim of banging heads against the wall or smearing feces all over yourself--then it's a disorder that needs to be cured or at least treated. However, if the condition only results in behaviors that are harmful because of SOCIETAL STRUCTURE--such as a stubborn adherence to routine in a society where people constantly demand for behaviors to change on a daily basis--then it is NOT a disorder. THAT'S the difference.

Now you wrote at the top of this blog that Google has censored what you're writing on here, and that's a violation of your first amendment rights. Let's see how genuine your outrage is. Let this comment come on here without pending any approval, and don't delete it afterwards. If Google can't decide what to censor and what not to censor, there is little reason you should be able to do the same.

John Best said...

You're mentally ill. No rational person associates with the liars from Neurodiversity. Seek help.